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Post by Vinny on Jan 3, 2023 16:35:16 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jan 3, 2023 16:41:04 GMT
Being falsely accused of rape is second only to be falsely accused of paedophilia and guaranteed to fuck your life up.
She should be jailed for years .
When the sisterhood and the white knights insist that we should always believe women they should be reminded that this is not a unique case.
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Post by Handyman on Jan 4, 2023 12:54:20 GMT
I wonder if she actually understand how much damage she has caused to genuine victims of Rape both women and men, Rape trials basically more often than not is the victims word against the suspected person or persons, it is difficult for the Crown to secure a Conviction for Rape in Court as it is.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 6, 2023 20:34:57 GMT
...When the sisterhood and the white knights insist that we should always believe women they should be reminded that this is not a unique case. Far, far from it in fact. |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 7, 2023 15:30:12 GMT
Yes many cases of men being wrongly accused of Rape some have been convicted and even served time , their lives ruined by a pack of lies
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Post by Tinculin on Jan 7, 2023 15:55:38 GMT
I think the penalty of falsely accusing someone of a crime, should come with a sentence equal to that of a person who actually commits it.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 7, 2023 17:16:15 GMT
I think the penalty of falsely accusing someone of a crime, should come with a sentence equal to that of a person who actually commits it. That’s a good idea but beyond me to apply it in a practical sense. At what point does an unsubstantiated accusation become a false and malicious one ? Id hate to be the one who decides . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 7, 2023 17:28:16 GMT
I think the penalty of falsely accusing someone of a crime, should come with a sentence equal to that of a person who actually commits it. That’s a good idea but beyond me to apply it in a practical sense. At what point does an unsubstantiated accusation become a false and malicious one ? Id hate to be the one who decides .
Presumably when it's provably false.
Clearly, someone being found not guilty doesn't mean that the initial allegation was false only that there was insufficient evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
But there have been cases, as above, when there was sufficient evidence to show that the alleged victim was lying beyond reasonable doubt.
Like the student chap a few years ago who was accused of rape when messages on his phone clearly showed that the "Victim" had initiated sex and only cried "Rape" when they fell out later.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 7, 2023 17:31:54 GMT
That’s a good idea but beyond me to apply it in a practical sense. At what point does an unsubstantiated accusation become a false and malicious one ? Id hate to be the one who decides .
Presumably when it's provably false.
Clearly, someone being found not guilty doesn't mean that the initial allegation was false only that there was insufficient evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
But there have been cases, as above, when there was sufficient evidence to show that the alleged victim was lying beyond reasonable doubt.
Like the student chap a few years ago who was accused of rape when messages on his phone clearly showed that the "Victim" had initiated sex and only cried "Rape" when they fell out later.
Afaik a woman can initiate sex and withdraw consent at any time from start to finish . If you don’t comply then it’s rape. Imo it’s not an easy thing to prove a false rape claim. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 7, 2023 17:36:33 GMT
Presumably when it's provably false.
Clearly, someone being found not guilty doesn't mean that the initial allegation was false only that there was insufficient evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
But there have been cases, as above, when there was sufficient evidence to show that the alleged victim was lying beyond reasonable doubt.
Like the student chap a few years ago who was accused of rape when messages on his phone clearly showed that the "Victim" had initiated sex and only cried "Rape" when they fell out later.
Afaik a woman can initiate sex and withdraw consent at any time from start to finish . If you don’t comply then it’s rape. Imo it’s not an easy thing to prove a false rape claim. Yep, absolutely. But when there's sufficient evidence to prove that didn't happen (Like a text saying: "Great shag last night") then the false allegation is proved. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 7, 2023 17:50:50 GMT
Afaik a woman can initiate sex and withdraw consent at any time from start to finish . If you don’t comply then it’s rape. Imo it’s not an easy thing to prove a false rape claim. Yep, absolutely. But when there's sufficient evidence to prove that didn't happen (Like a text saying: "Great shag last night") then the false allegation is proved. Yes that might do it but..there are some that might say this was because of coercion, grooming or some other excuse. Others say that using a ‘ victims’ phone is default victim shaming . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 7, 2023 17:54:44 GMT
Yep, absolutely. But when there's sufficient evidence to prove that didn't happen (Like a text saying: "Great shag last night") then the false allegation is proved. Yes that might do it but..there are some that might say this was because of coercion, grooming or some other excuse. Others say that using a ‘ victims’ phone is default victim shaming . In that case, I believe it was sent to the suspects phone by the "Victim". Rape is a probably the worst crime, but I'm so glad that we have "Innocent until proven guilty" beyond reasonable doubt. There's a lot of nutters out there. I know of one who's made 22 (yes really) false allegations. But the official line is that we must believe "Victims" because otherwise it will put off genuine victims from coming forward.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 7, 2023 18:05:20 GMT
Yes that might do it but..there are some that might say this was because of coercion, grooming or some other excuse. Others say that using a ‘ victims’ phone is default victim shaming . In that case, I believe it was sent to the suspects phone by the "Victim". Rape is a probably the worst crime, but I'm so glad that we have "Innocent until proven guilty" beyond reasonable doubt. There's a lot of nutters out there. I know of one who's made 22 (yes really) false allegations. But the official line is that we must believe "Victims" because otherwise it will put off genuine victims from coming forward.
Indeed. As an aside , I knew a bloke called Des in the 70s. Des was as thick as shit and not a nice bloke . He had sex with an unconscious bridesmaid , in a car, at a wedding . This was not the first time that someone I knew had sex with a woman who by todays standards were legally vulnerable and unable to give consent to sexual intercourse. Des got off the charge because it could not be proven that HE thought he was raping her. My point us that rape is a subjective offence . What was rape yesterday might not be rape today and the wider the definition of rape becomes the more grey areas there are . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 7, 2023 18:11:40 GMT
In that case, I believe it was sent to the suspects phone by the "Victim". Rape is a probably the worst crime, but I'm so glad that we have "Innocent until proven guilty" beyond reasonable doubt. There's a lot of nutters out there. I know of one who's made 22 (yes really) false allegations. But the official line is that we must believe "Victims" because otherwise it will put off genuine victims from coming forward.
Indeed. As an aside , I knew a bloke called Des in the 70s. Des was as thick as shit and not a nice bloke . He had sex with an unconscious bridesmaid , in a car, at a wedding . This was not the first time that someone I knew had sex with a woman who by todays standards were legally vulnerable and unable to give consent to sexual intercourse. Des got off the charge because it could not be proven that HE thought he was raping her. My point us that rape is a subjective offence . What was rape yesterday might not be rape today and the wider the definition of rape becomes the more grey areas there are .
I agree. Rape is not black and white: In most cases only two people really know what happened and one word against another will never satisfy "Beyond reasonable doubt". And nor should it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 11:21:28 GMT
Being falsely accused of rape is second only to be falsely accused of paedophilia and guaranteed to fuck your life up. She should be jailed for years . When the sisterhood and the white knights insist that we should always believe women they should be reminded that this is not a unique case. Indeed. We should always bear in mind though that the conviction rate for rape cases is miniscule, and it is highly unlikely that most allegations are false. So there are a lot of rapists getting away with it. The main problem here is that since intercourse between adults is legal, proof of sex is not proof of rape. Consent is the issue and very often it is the alleged rapist's word against that of the alleged victim, and without the kind of physical evidence that can derive from extreme violence, lack of consent is often unproveable. However this does not mean that all such allegations are genuine. False allegations do occur and can ruin lives. There is a tendency at large to assume guilty until proven innocent which is wrong. Because some allegations are false and all such allegations ruin lives, those accused of sexual offences should be guaranteed anonymity until convicted. And if there are good and compelling reasons to justify naming a charged suspect, the police should need to seek a court order to be able to do so. We cannot keep having innocent falsely accused men's names being dragged through the mud all the time. And making such false allegations should be treated as a more serious crime than it currently is, with serious jail time if convicted. |
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