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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 2, 2023 4:56:14 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 2, 2023 7:52:16 GMT
Not exactly news is it?. Labour have been the party of the metropolitan middle class for 30 years now - they turned their back on the working class under Blair. Corbyn, and to an extent Miliband, tried to reconnect with working people but were deposed before seeing any success.
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Post by see2 on Jan 2, 2023 8:55:52 GMT
Not exactly news is it?. Labour have been the party of the metropolitan middle class for 30 years now - they turned their back on the working class under Blair. Corbyn, and to an extent Miliband, tried to reconnect with working people but were deposed before seeing any success. Why lie about New Labour and Blair? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 2, 2023 9:14:30 GMT
Noclasst exactly news is it?. Labour have been the party of the metropolitan middle class for 30 years now - they turned their back on the working class under Blair. Corbyn, and to an extent Miliband, tried to reconnect with working people but were deposed before seeing any success. Yes maybe new labour attracted the middle class vote but for the working class to turn to the Tory vote is unheard off . it was even worse in 2019. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 2, 2023 11:34:58 GMT
Noclasst exactly news is it?. Labour have been the party of the metropolitan middle class for 30 years now - they turned their back on the working class under Blair. Corbyn, and to an extent Miliband, tried to reconnect with working people but were deposed before seeing any success. Yes maybe new labour attracted the middle class vote but for the working class to turn to the Tory vote is unheard off . Not really - large number of the working class voted for Thatcher, in the 1983 General election of the working class 33% voted Tory which wasn't that far behind the 41% who voted Labour. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 2, 2023 11:44:30 GMT
Yes4444 maybe conservatives tracted the middle class vote but for the working class to turn to the Tory vote is unheard off . Not really - large number of the working class voted for Thatcher, in the 1983 General election of the working class 33% voted Tory which wasn't that far behind the 41% who voted Labour. Ok but more working class still voted labour compaired to the 2017 electiion result where 44% voted conservitives compaired to the 42% for labour . thats the point im making |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 2, 2023 12:25:49 GMT
But you are using a self defined example of class as opposed to a defined example of class. Labour gradually lost the working man's vote over many years largely due to its policies on immigration. This clearly evidenced by the Smethwick constituency in 64 by the support Powell got not just from Unions in 68 but also from whole swathes of the electorate in 68 and the way that the same working class turned against Labour in the 79 and 83 elections where Thatcher had proposed controls but her approach was softened by the soon to be wets in the party. Labour only appear to be gaining ground because they have on their side the righteous certainty of the younger voter and the newer but not totally convinced ethnic minority vote. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 2, 2023 12:35:03 GMT
Still this obsession with class.
Clued-up politicians recognise that most of the electorate are, or have been, working people. Taxation and the economy affect all working people — whether they're considered professional, non-manual skilled, manual skilled, semi skilled or unskilled. Elections are mainly decided by how many supporters of each party can be bothered to vote. Very few seem actually to change their vote. The Left has been responsible for pushing the idea of a down trodden "working class". This has resulted in socialist academics now identifying an "underclass" (ie, the approx 100,000 families in the UK experiencing poverty, lack of work, poor housing, lack of educational attainment, and other criteria) which, rather than helping, the Left use as a rallying cry for their cause... |
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Post by vlk on Jan 2, 2023 15:01:49 GMT
Tory-voters are more likely to turn up at the pols so low turnouts work in the Tories' favour.
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 15:10:58 GMT
Not exactly news is it?. Labour have been the party of the metropolitan middle class for 30 years now - they turned their back on the working class under Blair. Corbyn, and to an extent Miliband, tried to reconnect with working people but were deposed before seeing any success. Why lie about New Labour and Blair? yet more smearing of anyone telling the truth and not endorsing the new labour cult view? 
wonders will never cease.............see 2 screaming yet again to himself in his dark room with the blinds and curtains shut dreaming of jam tomorrow with keir starmer....
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 15:13:14 GMT
Tory-voters are more likely to turn up at the pols so a low turnouts work in the Tories' favour. Not necessarily. Tony blairs 2001 election victory and so called landslide was the lowest post war turnout in modern uk history , and that didnt work in the tories favour. Same as we find in scotland. Low turnouts normally favour labour.
Fully agree with pacifico.
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Post by bancroft on Jan 2, 2023 15:15:09 GMT
I think the working class has different subsections
Those working in state funded institutions or industries typically with unions.
Those retired that worked in those industries or institutions.
Then you have white collar working class typically in private enterprise and self employed workers.
Different voting patterns for sure.
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 15:18:31 GMT
Yes maybe new labour attracted the middle class vote but for the working class to turn to the Tory vote is unheard off . Not really - large number of the working class voted for Thatcher, in the 1983 General election of the working class 33% voted Tory which wasn't that far behind the 41% who voted Labour. fully agree. Dont forget labours sole scottish mp , Ian murray , was put into power by the middle class normally tory voting denizens of places like mornningside in edinburgh through tactical voting.
I would say though politics is definetly changing across the uk and has been moving away from the old traditional left right two party battlegrounds of yesterday. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 2, 2023 15:48:23 GMT
Why lie about New Labour and Blair? yet more smearing of anyone telling the truth and not endorsing the new labour cult view?
wonders will never cease.............see 2 screaming yet again to himself in his dark room with the blinds and curtains shut dreaming of jam tomorrow with keir starmer....
He is taking the bread out of Jaydee's mouth 
That said, the general rule is that it takes 11 labour votes to match 10 Tory ones because the 11th Labour voter is too busy talking revolution in the saloon bar to actually get off his arse and vote. The rule is not as solid as before, but the knights of the shires still outmatch the brothers and sisters.
The real problem for Labour is that it is running out of working class. It is alright for Steve 7677 to go home and tug his foreskin in homage to Keir Hardie, but the rest of the plebs are ungrateful bastards and more interested in joining the middle classes than supping organic nettle tea with Jeremy Corbyn
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 15:54:26 GMT
yet more smearing of anyone telling the truth and not endorsing the new labour cult view?
wonders will never cease.............see 2 screaming yet again to himself in his dark room with the blinds and curtains shut dreaming of jam tomorrow with keir starmer....
He is taking the bread out of Jaydee's mouth
That said, the general rule is that it takes 11 labour votes to match 10 Tory ones because the 11th Labour voter is too busy talking revolution in the saloon bar to actually get off his arse and vote. The rule is not as solid as before, but the knights of the shires still outmatch the brothers and sisters.
The real problem for Labour is that it is running out of working class. It is alright for Steve 7677 to go home and tug his foreskin in homage to Keir Hardie, but the rest of the plebs are ungrateful bastards and more interested in joining the middle classes than supping organic nettle tea with Jeremy Corbyn
Lol borkie. At least steve is original , and stands out compared to see 2. I have yet to hear an original political thought come out of see 2`s posts. The usual empty headed blairite smoke and mirrors , poor attemtpt at spin , and vacuous slogans and empty soundbites.
You keep saying how the uk is dull at the moment politically. I understand to a degree what you mean , so i think a starmer blairite reincarnation is going to be fun watching stumble about in government.
Has pappysmurf solved the foodbank crises yet with the socialist workers of cornwall? i tell you modern labour couldnt spell the word socialist.
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