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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 16:11:25 GMT
And by the looks of it, it's Labour's to lose. Starmer is a weak and indecisive leader. Sunak is a competent but disliked leader. Both men now have the political fight of their lives ahead of them, whoever loses, they're no longer leader. If Sunak loses badly, the Tory party is fucked, probably for ten years as the next leader, will not have his charisma or competence. If there's a weird situation where the Tories get the most votes, but the fewest seats, of the two, Sunak could cling on to power and might have a chance of a comeback. Same with Starmer in that eventuality. Anyway, the spotlight is on the two parties.
One of them will lead us, what should either start doing now, to earn our vote for a term in office?
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Post by Bentley on Jan 1, 2023 16:28:58 GMT
Anything noteworthy might help.
Maybe stop the ‘ aren’t Tories horrid’ narrative and tell us clearly how Labour will lead us out of the present problems .
Ditch any sign of identity politics . Try to show signs of empathy towards white working class and refute the false concept of white privilege.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 1, 2023 16:29:19 GMT
Anything noteworthy might help from Labour. Maybe stop the ‘ aren’t Tories horrid’ narrative and tell us clearly how Labour will lead us out of the present problems . Ditch any sign of identity politics . Try to show signs of empathy towards white working class and refute the false concept of white privilege. I agree |
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Post by Steve on Jan 2, 2023 0:55:44 GMT
And by the looks of it, it's Labour's to lose. Starmer is a weak and indecisive leader. Sunak is a competent but disliked leader. Both men now have the political fight of their lives ahead of them, whoever loses, they're no longer leader. If Sunak loses badly, the Tory party is fucked, probably for ten years as the next leader, will not have his charisma or competence. If there's a weird situation where the Tories get the most votes, but the fewest seats, of the two, Sunak could cling on to power and might have a chance of a comeback. Same with Starmer in that eventuality. Anyway, the spotlight is on the two parties.
One of them will lead us, what should either start doing now, to earn our vote for a term in office?
Sunak has to pray he can turn the economy round, Starmer has to distance himself from the more dodgy left wing elements. IMHO both will fail at that |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 2, 2023 3:37:02 GMT
Defiant Rishi Sunak insists 'the fightback starts here' despite Labour's commanding lead in the polls and a host of domestic woes including 500 deaths a week due to NHS delays, record numbers of migrants crossing the Channel and rail union walkouts Up to 500 patients are dying each week due to NHS delays, a top doctor warned A record 45,000 migrants crossed the English Channel in small boats last year Trade unions are preparing to bring the railways to a standstill again this week PM Rishi Sunak insists: 'The Government I lead is putting your priorities first' www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11590639/Rishi-Sunaks-triple-New-Year-headache-Prime-Minister-faces-500-dying-week-NHS-delays.html |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 2, 2023 4:53:14 GMT
Actually, www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/ Dissolution will occur automatically on the 17th December 2024, parliament having first met on the 17th December 2019. It may of course be dissolved earlier at Fishy’s whim but he is permitted to cling to his throne until then. The election would be expected within 25 days of dissolution. Fishy’s clock is ticking furiously but he has a little under two years, rather more than a little over one, for Starmer to follow Neil Kinnock. He must be praying nightly for him to do so, for i cannot see a single policy decision so far that grants him a reprieve from the inevitable. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 2, 2023 6:35:25 GMT
Traditionally elections are held in summer. A year and six months maybe?
Anyway, with neither being able to make a strong argument for them to govern at the moment, I suspect we'll have more chaos ahead of us.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 2, 2023 6:37:51 GMT
Anything noteworthy might help from Labour. Maybe stop the ‘ aren’t Tories horrid’ narrative and tell us clearly how Labour will lead us out of the present problems . Ditch any sign of identity politics . Try to show signs of empathy towards white working class and refute the false concept of white privilege. I agree You posted both those. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 2, 2023 6:58:31 GMT
I think the tories are sunk whatever they do .this government must been the worst in my living memory.
With the cost of living hiting everyone except the Tory donner .
Even Rushi in his new year speech said we can expect more of the same in 2023.
Has for stammer he needs to get the unions a side and tell them to cut back on the strikes .
While at the moment the public seem to support the strikes I don't think it be lont before the tide turns and they stop supporting the strikes.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 2, 2023 12:44:40 GMT
... With the cost of living hiting everyone except the Tory donner . I think you over-rate the wallet size of the Tory Donor.
I was forced into starting my own business by a mix of sheer greed on the part of certain rather wealthy bastards in this country and abroad, a business ethos absolutey nailed by the TV series made from John Le Carre's 'The Night Manager'. Google 'Allivane International' for more info.
I came back from a holiday in Italy to find the defence company i had worked at for the last eight years was a stinking hellhole of debt and dodgy dealings and heading down faster than the titanic. I jumped and started up on my own, as did lots of others, and for a while (as in, until Tony Blair took the ear of certain Indian multi millionaires and screwed with our ability to stay on a certain list) we all did rather well thank you out of various contracts including some entered into directly with the Navy etc.
Many of my friends urged me to consider involvement in political matters but i was too busy (read that as too fucking stupid) to take them seriously. If I had, and if others had, today it would be different for us anyway, but the point is, there was a time that sole traders with turnovers barely that of the average professional salary considered the tory party their natural home by virtue of the utter hostility shown to us by the left and parties of the left.
Ironically, on what I believe was the predecessor forum to this one, and a long time ago, a labour supporter and local party official who had secured a slot at the labour conference podium to deliver a speech to Blair and Brown that must have taken some bottle, posted a request for people to download, review and honestly comment on the e-book form of the speech he had in mind. In short he was saying that now Gordon Brown had tricked most small sole trader 'artisans' (plumbers electricians carpenters etc) into incorprating as ltdcos with a one off tax relief, and had caught them inside IR35 and more iumportantly S666, it wa time for Labour to consider the ltdco white van man as their natural membership.
There were many other points, but that was the one that i distinctly recall as it spoke directly to people like me who had been forced into business in the first place as the only effective alternative to the dole, loss of my house and ruin.
Of course the high table laughed his points out of the room, but that diesnlt mean e was wrong.
Sadly these days neither party are interested in the welfare, well being and financial security of those parts of our society.
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Post by Morgan on Jan 2, 2023 14:15:52 GMT
Once the riots over food shortages, ever increasing prices and the battles with the ever growing number of illegals who have neither jobs or benefits start, we'll have a better idea of who our new dictators will be.
And a Happy New Year to you, too.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 2, 2023 14:33:00 GMT
I know. I accidentally double posted the same thing and took the opportunity to agree with myself . |
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Post by patman post on Jan 3, 2023 13:29:08 GMT
Don't understand the "year and a bit" for the next election. Have I missed an announcement, or does someone here have inside knowledge of Tory strategy?
Checking shows that the next United Kingdom general election needs to be held no later than 25 January 2025. That's two and a bit years, innit...?
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Post by bancroft on Jan 3, 2023 15:05:11 GMT
The Tories can turn this around if they solve the strikes and the economy and interest rates remain stable.
They can't leave it until the last minute though........
It would also help if they do something positive on stopping illegal immigration yet the earlier points are more important.
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Post by Cartertonian on Jan 14, 2023 10:46:26 GMT
Don't understand the "year and a bit" for the next election. Have I missed an announcement, or does someone here have inside knowledge of Tory strategy? Checking shows that the next United Kingdom general election needs to be held no later than 25 January 2025. That's two and a bit years, innit...? It's not so much insider knowledge as the fact that governments prefer not to hold elections in the dead of winter because it adversely affects turnout. So if they can't extend to summer 2025, then they would have to go for summer 2024. As to the muck or nettles non-choice between Tory and Labour, that is the central problem with all our politics. I joined PoFo in 2008 and have spent the intervening fifteen years persistently asking for someone to articulate a reason to vote Tory and the only consistent response (not the only response, just the only consistent one) has been 'because they're not Labour'. Pro rata, there seem to me to be fewer Labour supporters whose motivation is 'because they're not Tory', and most seem able to articulate positive reasons to support their party. Curiously, most of my friends circle are habitual Tory voters, but they too have nothing positive to say about the Tories, other than that Labour would be worse. It's a shit way to govern a country. |
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