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Post by Orac on Sept 20, 2023 12:02:47 GMT
On the time thing you are now getting closer to what relativity means. However, it's not clock error. If you twist the ruler i described ion front of your face, it doesn't look shorter because your eyes are erroring - it's looks shorter because of the rules of perspective.
The ruler looks shorter from your perspective
In relativity it's the same - a second looks shorter (or longer) from one perspective than does from from another. In normal geometry,the different perspectives arise from viewing the ruler from different places in the room, while, in relativity, the different perspectives come from viewing the ruler (or second) at different speeds. Nothing really happens to the seconds themselves - it's how we view them that changes. The physical reality itself doesn't change because we are moving quickly, rather the sense we make of it does change. It is a tough idea to get your head around. Tackling your points made in BOLD … checking out the two underlined sections … … 1) … You can’t look at TIME … it’s not visible! It’s conceptual. … A figment of Human - arguably Alien imagination - (if you believe that in ancient history we were “made in the image of the Father” - the Gods) ….2) … TIME cannot have any ‘geometry’ … it’s nothing tangible and physical. … Space-Time is also ‘conceptual’ … you can’t apply Laws and scientific measurement to an imaginary CONCEPT. … end of argument I guess 😂 … because all that SCIENCE has built on that ‘CONCEPT’ for over the last 100 years now …. falls apart … rather alarmingly! 😖 Have a think about that analogy of the tilting ruler that looks shorter to you. That shortening effect has nothing to do with the accuracy of your eyes. Your eyes are recording reality correctly, but reality also has perspective. The effect has nothing to do with the ruler being bent or deformed. It is caused by your relationship to the ruler. The time between two things happening is the same. It looks longer from some perspectives than others.
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Post by besoeker3 on Sept 20, 2023 13:00:18 GMT
Yet MORE speculation, Dublifter. Why can't you ever provide hard facts? … Because crashed extra-terrestrial craft and bodies of alien pilots are mostly in American hands. … you need to understand your demands for ‘evidence’ can’t be delivered over the Internet from posters who don’t possess craft, debris and bodies.🙄 I am surprised you claim to be a project engineer and can’t grasp that simple logical fact. 🙄 My facts? Get real. You have no hard facts related to aliens. None. Why can't you grasp that?
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 21, 2023 8:34:47 GMT
[Have a think about that analogy of the tilting ruler that looks shorter to you. That shortening effect has nothing to do with the accuracy of your eyes. Your eyes are recording reality correctly, but reality also has perspective. The effect has nothing to do with the ruler being bent or deformed. It is caused by your relationship to the ruler. The time between two things happening is the same. It looks longer from some perspectives than others. Perspective doesn’t change the length of conceptual Time. I agree … it’s an ‘illusion’ it’s changing. Modern science shouldn’t make tortological arguments perpetuating illusions … that is a waste of ‘time’! Scientists can’t apply Laws of Geometry to something that’s conceptual. A second is a second wherever you are standing … what ever speed you are going … As I mentioned before … If you are seeing a variable on your timepiece … it will be due to forces in the Universe, variating … coupled with effects of momentum etc. … possibly piezo electrical effects … and down much further to a very basic particle level causing clock materials to deviate. Materials at incredibly high speeds break up and fall apart from flexing and vibration. No REAL clock can measure Time ACCURATELY when travelling close to the speed of light … so Einstein’s hypothesis was conceptual … a figment of the imagination … which could never be measured/checked/verified experimentally. …because clocks always FAIL when pushed to the limit. Scientists claim they have confirmed Einstein’s Relativity Laws … but in my view … my different perspective … I see clock failures … or an assumption the speed of light is constant … when we know everything along the EMF SPECTRUM can be deviated and affected by other forces in the Universe … slowing or accelerating the frequency of particles or waves. EMF radiations including Light photons/x-rays etc travelling from distant exploding stars can be sent the long way through Space by gravitational/ ‘lensing’ effects … travelling through the mysterious Dark Matter … how can you accurately measure the speed of these radiations that make up an ‘event’ … when they are navigating through a ‘soup’ of Cosmic Forces?. Variables. ***************** Comment: Einstein was arguably fed ideas whilst in a ‘dream state’ … to lead Humans up the garden path … and into a Astro-Physics cul-de-sac for over 100 years. … where we now flounder badly … with each new discovery from the John West Salmon(JWST) tin telescope. If you are an alien civilisation running an Eden Project full of gullible violent thick apes … you are not going to give them the keys to the door to get out of their cage are you??! …so you ‘distract’ them for 100 years … give the mice and rats a bit of ‘cheese’ … send them down the maze the wrong way … until they reach a dead end and realise the idea of elastic time Relativity was flawed. … Relativity Theorem was mixed with other ideas that proved to be correct … confirmed Einstein’s ‘genius’ …. which naturally made selling the concept of ‘elastic time’ even easier. …. So why were we so badly duped for soooo long? … sadly it shows we are a species very vulnerable to ‘programming’! …. No wonder Deep State and Religion continues to take us for a ‘ride’.🙄 …. [They are now planning the great RESET killing innocent Humanity thru pushing nuclear war.…. Earth’s problems won’t be solved by this RESET … just made 5 billion times worse. The Great Reset will only be achieved by removing the Resetters to a molten core in Chernobyl … or any other Planet in our Solar System! …. Simple.] Some Aliens in the Galactic Federation are not happy the U.S.Military complex has gone ‘rogue’ and is already engaged in Star Wars … using beam weapons. This is going to backfire on them spectacularly soon … and lead to their destruction. They were warned not to go down the route turning Space into a battlefield. They are far dumber than they look in the Pentagon right now. The Dr Strangelove effect went super stupid viral during Biden’s tenure. So … moving on …. We are fed so many ideas in our ‘Dream State’ …. (And Goggle box, tv box state) that it leaves most of us open to inter-dimensional hypnotic manipulation from higher intelligences and extra-terrestrial visitors. …. only a fraction of these manipulations are damaging … most are good … take for example Crick+Watson’s DNA THEORIES - the double helix came out of a dream state … … maybe I am completely wrong about Time being metronomic and fixed … and this thread is a manipulation?? 🤔 << cue: Twilight Zone music>> 😋
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 21, 2023 8:52:08 GMT
… Because crashed extra-terrestrial craft and bodies of alien pilots are mostly in American hands. … you need to understand your demands for ‘evidence’ can’t be delivered over the Internet from posters who don’t possess craft, debris and bodies.🙄 I am surprised you claim to be a project engineer and can’t grasp that simple logical fact. 🙄 My facts? Get real. You have no hard facts related to aliens. None. Why can't you grasp that? I’ve already told you where to go for the physical evidence that will satisfy sceptics. This is a software medium … made up of pixels that can be manipulated into any form you like … it’s not REAL ….. it’s a communication medium. - you won’t get what you’re looking for here. The nuts and bolts best stuff … and fleshy humanoid bits and pieces are mostly in secret facilities in Deep State bunkers. Now run along and ask for access. It’s clearly burning you up.🙄
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Post by Orac on Sept 21, 2023 9:49:24 GMT
[Have a think about that analogy of the tilting ruler that looks shorter to you. That shortening effect has nothing to do with the accuracy of your eyes. Your eyes are recording reality correctly, but reality also has perspective. The effect has nothing to do with the ruler being bent or deformed. It is caused by your relationship to the ruler. The time between two things happening is the same. It looks longer from some perspectives than others. Perspective doesn’t change the length of conceptual Time. I agree … it’s an ‘illusion’ it’s changing. Modern science shouldn’t make tortological arguments perpetuating illusions … that is a waste of ‘time’! Scientists can’t apply Laws of Geometry to something that’s conceptual. A second is a second wherever you are standing … Firstly, let me clarify my statement you put in bold. I meant this - The time between two things happening is very much like the apparent length of our ruler. It depends on the perspective of the observer. Strictly speaking there is no such thing as THE TIME between two things happening - this time measurement will vary from observer to observer (depending on perspective) in a similar way to the apparent length of our ruler.Please read the above twice - it is agreeing with you in some ways. In relativity, there is strictly speaking no such thing as the time. In relativity, time is an artifact of a perspective - humans intuitively split the universe up into these pieces because we are all fixed with a certain perspective. If we changed that perspective , say if one of our eyes moved at a different speed than the other, we may well order the world differently. However, it is hard to imagine quite how one of our eyes could move at a different speed than the other. Secondly - it is not an illusion. The rules of perspective are not illusory they are an unavoidable aspect of reality. The rules of perspective might lead you to naive conclusions, but they are nonetheless real in themselves. Thirdly - You are absolutely correct. A second is a second wherever you are standing. However, someone else might well see one of your seconds differently - depending on their differing perspective
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Post by besoeker3 on Sept 21, 2023 13:58:51 GMT
My facts? Get real. You have no hard facts related to aliens. None. Why can't you grasp that? I’ve already told you where to go for the physical evidence that will satisfy sceptics. This is a software medium … made up of pixels that can be manipulated into any form you like … it’s not REAL ….. it’s a communication medium. - you won’t get what you’re looking for here. The nuts and bolts best stuff … and fleshy humanoid bits and pieces are mostly in secret facilities in Deep State bunkers. Now run along and ask for access. It’s clearly burning you up.🙄 OK. How about YOU provide a few photographs of aliens?
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 22, 2023 8:11:10 GMT
Perspective doesn’t change the length of conceptual Time. I agree … it’s an ‘illusion’ it’s changing. Modern science shouldn’t make tortological arguments perpetuating illusions … that is a waste of ‘time’! Scientists can’t apply Laws of Geometry to something that’s conceptual. A second is a second wherever you are standing … Firstly, let me clarify my statement you put in bold. I meant this - The time between two things happening is very much like the apparent length of our ruler. It depends on the perspective of the observer. Strictly speaking there is no such thing as THE TIME between two things happening - this time measurement will vary from observer to observer (depending on perspective) in a similar way to the apparent length of our ruler.Please read the above twice - it is agreeing with you in some ways. In relativity, there is strictly speaking no such thing as the time. In relativity, time is an artifact of a perspective - humans intuitively split the universe up into these pieces because we are all fixed with a certain perspective. If we changed that perspective , say if one of our eyes moved at a different speed than the other, we may well order the world differently. However, it is hard to imagine quite how one of our eyes could move at a different speed than the other. Secondly - it is not an illusion. The rules of perspective are not illusory they are an unavoidable aspect of reality. The rules of perspective might lead you to naive conclusions, but they are nonetheless real in themselves. Thirdly - You are absolutely correct. A second is a second wherever you are standing. However, someone else might well see one of your seconds differently - depending on their differing perspective It doesn’t matter where you are in the Universe, what speed you are going … or what your perspective is … everything is ticking relentlessly and ageing at the same rate …. Do you think some scientists create tortological arguments for fun - just to create careers and suck up grant money … which contributes nothing to pushing scientific thinking forwards? Why over-complicate how the Universe ticks? … On other planets and moons in the Universe … their measurement of Time will be totally different … due to speed of planetary rotation and speed of orbital rotation around their Sun. Every alien might measure the age of the Universe (Time) differently … that’s what happens when you invent CONCEPTS that aren’t REAL and have no physicality … this is why NO physical Laws can be applied to TIME. … especially PERSPECTIVE reasoning.I hope this clarifies my viewpoint on this …. Sorry for repeating certain points. … but there is no point wrapping this up in maths or complicating the reasoning in words that have ‘elastic’ meaning. Maths symbols give scientists a lot of ‘elastic’ meaning!🤔 …. this is what $cientists have done here … elasticated away from the TRUTH about the nature of TIME …and imo … that is exactly the same thing that CON Artists and Religions do - to flannel the Public … and take their money under false pretences. $cience + Religion are in COLLUSION …. especially over Cover-up and rejecting ALIEN DISCLOSURE. … over that ‘crime’ … they will lose their Reputations. … and rightly so. A large section of the Public is ‘moving on’ … the TRUST in Scientists is fading fast.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 22, 2023 8:35:41 GMT
I am planning a trip to London this weekend … and thought it would be interesting and stimulating to tap into some new scientific discoveries … see the latest on what is happening … pop into the Science Museum.
Oh dear … talk about dumbed down … it’s not that it’s old and crusty … it’s just the exhibitions seem pitched for 2-6 year olds … parts are so simplified
Not even one retrieved crashed UFO on display … or any futuristic science visionary ideas floating around … v.disappointing! …
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Post by besoeker3 on Sept 22, 2023 10:10:28 GMT
I am planning a trip to London this weekend … and thought it would be interesting and stimulating to tap into some new scientific discoveries … see the latest on what is happening … pop into the Science Museum. Oh dear … talk about dumbed down … it’s not that it’s old and crusty … it’s just the exhibitions seem pitched for 2-6 year olds … parts are so simplified and WOKE (yes, there is even a Queery section .. Do LGBTQ+(the normal ones!) really want labelling Queer anymore? .. when it’s scientifically proven to be defined by Nature? - it’s not a lifestyle ‘choice’ to those not faking it - I guess Alan Turing is in that section … feeling uncomfortable he’s been segregated - like at the gates of a concentration camp … well done, the Leftist Nazis 👏👍👏 … showing their Religious fascist true credentials again!)🙄 Needless to say … I won’t be going to the WOKE Science Museum … and I suggest others might not find much new science explained well there. Not even one retrieved crashed UFO on display … disappointing! Go on then - present your your crashed UFO display? You are the disappointing entity.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 29, 2023 16:05:26 GMT
Here is an interesting discussion that popped up on my feed. …
Deep Prasad and Jesse Michels highlighting why scientists have been seriously amiss not to study observations in this field.
If you want a glimpse into the future … this indicates which way we should be analysing things … and where we are going.
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Post by besoeker3 on Sept 29, 2023 16:19:32 GMT
Here is an interesting discussion that popped up on my feed. … Deep Prasad and Jesse Michels highlighting why scientists have been seriously amiss not to study observations in this field. If you want a glimpse into the future … this indicates which way we should be analysing things … and where we are going. And your crashed UFO? No sign of that it would seem...................what a surprise..............
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 30, 2023 2:15:17 GMT
Bes, long time. I hope you and Mrs B are well, and of course the beast bless him.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 30, 2023 4:03:07 GMT
And your crashed UFO? No sign of that it would seem...................what a surprise.............. For those scientists TRULY interested in physical evidence of extra-terrestrial/inter-dimensional visitation … Please study the history and archaeology of this Planet … and apply to certain top secret facilities under the control of the U.S. Military for access to that evidence …. …. Evidence that has been testified to exist in sworn statements made by many respected military servicemen/women who came forward at the Press Club in Washington years ago - and despite much intimidation and even death threats … gave their witness reports … at great personal risk to friends and family also …. which were sadly largely ignored by the MSM …. in a conspiracy of silence. …. thus proving the MSM is run by Religious Factions and censored by Deep State … collectively in denial … along with many of their stooge scientists … determined to ignore and shelve anything that threatens to rewrite their version of OUR History.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 30, 2023 4:06:18 GMT
Bes, long time. I hope you and Mrs B are well, and of course the beast bless him. …. ?? …. 666!?? 👹 Wonder where all the ‘Devil’ emoji options disappeared to recently? … Guessing Deep State, Silicon Valley, the Illuminati and Religious Factions got sick of the association The Public kept applying to their Bilderberg actions?
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 30, 2023 4:17:45 GMT
Bes, long time. I hope you and Mrs B are well, and of course the beast bless him. …. ?? …. 666!?? 👹 Wonder where all the ‘Devil’ emoji options disappeared to recently? … Guessing Deep State, Silicon Valley, the Illuminati and Religious Factions got sick of the association The Public kept applying to their Bilderberg actions? Dubs, calm yourself. The beast is in fact a border collie, named Max. See Besoekers avatar.
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