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Post by jaydee on Jan 1, 2023 17:13:55 GMT
told him jaydee up the thread about shetlands waters being in a territorial enclave inside of scotland where they wouldnt have any oil.
This isnt anything new , its old hat long discussed from the last referendum. Proves to me unionists like om are all out of ammo and have nothing new to offer.
the same thing over and over again and again.
Yes I know. I have been dealing with him and is ilk for years. I cannot find another expression to explain him. He is just a clown. But I feel sorrow for him. It is the likes of Johnston and Farage who have got most of them like that. I have a copy and past from six or seven years back which I use. Nothing has changed since then. The latest drivel was pot holes. How Scotland would fall to bits with them. I just cannot understand what eats him up with such vile contempt he holds for the Scots. I thought at first he got gubbed in a pub making his mouth go while he was in the RAF at Lossiemouth. Or his wife ran of with a Jock. Or something of that nature. But he denies it. I gave up even trying to be reasonable with him. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 17:23:48 GMT
Matter settled for a generation. a uk political generation has already passed................. No, 20 years minimum, next one, 2034 at the earliest. And by then, the issue (which is a fad) will be unattractive. It simply isn't going to happen. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 17:28:21 GMT
a uk political generation has already passed................. No, 20 years minimum, next one, 2034 at the earliest. And by then, the issue (which is a fad) will be unattractive. It simply isn't going to happen. No the GFA stipulates according to the british government , a political generation being seven years. Whats good for one part of the disunited kingdom is good for another.....
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Post by research0it on Jan 1, 2023 17:33:38 GMT
a uk political generation has already passed................. No, 20 years minimum, next one, 2034 at the earliest. And by then, the issue (which is a fad) will be unattractive. It simply isn't going to happen. Hi vinny I already said that it's a campaign for independence. Not a campaign for a referendum. If the settled will of the people living in Scotland ends up supporting independence, then it will be unstoppable. That may take whatever a generation is in your mind. It may take longer or shorter or not at all. It may not even involve a referendum, which is a really recent phenomenon. You need to work on persuading people here that the union will work, not plant marks in the sand which will be irrelevant |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 1, 2023 17:35:12 GMT
Further , Ireland became independent of the uk in 1922. Since joining the old EEC in 1973 , its trade with the uk has doubled , but its trade with the EU is five times greater than its trade with the uk. Im not sure why ireland can be successfull outside the uk , but scotland couldnt ?
I'm not saying that Scotland could not be successful - simply pointing out that exactly the same arguments can be made against Scottish independence as were made for Brexit. Leaving a single market with your largest customer is going to put barriers to trade in place (that is what it is designed to do). And so if you apply the same formula to Scotland as happened at Brexit, Scotland will be 6% worse off. Of course the decision to be made is whether the forecasts of economic doom and gloom from leaving a single market are overblown. |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 1, 2023 17:38:30 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 17:44:23 GMT
Further , Ireland became independent of the uk in 1922. Since joining the old EEC in 1973 , its trade with the uk has doubled , but its trade with the EU is five times greater than its trade with the uk. Im not sure why ireland can be successfull outside the uk , but scotland couldnt ?
I'm not saying that Scotland could not be successful - simply pointing out that exactly the same arguments can be made against Scottish independence as were made for Brexit. Leaving a single market with your largest customer is going to put barriers to trade in place (that is what it is designed to do). And so if you apply the same formula to Scotland as happened at Brexit, Scotland will be 6% worse off. Of course the decision to be made is whether the forecasts of economic doom and gloom from leaving a single market are overblown. Well said. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 1, 2023 18:41:55 GMT
I'm not saying that Scotland could not be successful - simply pointing out that exactly the same arguments can be made against Scottish independence as were made for Brexit. Leaving a single market with your largest customer is going to put barriers to trade in place (that is what it is designed to do). And so if you apply the same formula to Scotland as happened at Brexit, Scotland will be 6% worse off. Of course the decision to be made is whether the forecasts of economic doom and gloom from leaving a single market are overblown. Well said. Scotland could do fine, as could any nation with a half decent barrow boy or girl in charge.
In 1922 the Irish government decided that that it wanted a country fit for poets and pig farmers, with the result that for the next 50 years its main export was people. Then they got to thinking, bhuel, sod seo le haghaidh cluiche na saighdiúirí and set about attracting foreign investment.
I don't know what little Nicky has in mind. Maybe she is going to hang Jaydee up in a cage at Waverley Station and charge visitors a silver penny a time to poke him with a stick, which is certainly a step in the right direction. But other than making Scotland a land fit for kiddie fiddlers, I have not heard much of her plans, economy wise
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 1, 2023 18:55:24 GMT
Scotland could do fine, as could any nation with a half decent barrow boy or girl in charge.
In 1922 the Irish government decided that that it wanted a country fit for poets and pig farmers, with the result that for the next 50 years its main export was people. Then they got to thinking, bhuel, sod seo le haghaidh cluiche na saighdiúirí and set about attracting foreign investment.
I don't know what little Nicky has in mind. Maybe she is going to hang Jaydee up in a cage at Waverley Station and charge visitors a silver penny a time to poke him with a stick, which is certainly a step in the right direction. But other than making Scotland a land fit for kiddie fiddlers, I have not heard much of her plans, economy wise
Irelands economic rise is an outlier though - it was built on a unique set of circumstances that wouldn't apply to Scotland. The problem that Scotland will have is that if the SNP are in charge there will be no clear vision of what economic future they want - they could be ideally placed to emulate Norway and be a energy exporter but the SNP talks about closing down most of the energy sector to save the planet. Not sure that exporting Whiskey can support the sort of economy that Scotland aspires to. |
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Post by research0it on Jan 1, 2023 19:00:26 GMT
Scotland could do fine, as could any nation with a half decent barrow boy or girl in charge.
In 1922 the Irish government decided that that it wanted a country fit for poets and pig farmers, with the result that for the next 50 years its main export was people. Then they got to thinking, bhuel, sod seo le haghaidh cluiche na saighdiúirí and set about attracting foreign investment.
I don't know what little Nicky has in mind. Maybe she is going to hang Jaydee up in a cage at Waverley Station and charge visitors a silver penny a time to poke him with a stick, which is certainly a step in the right direction. But other than making Scotland a land fit for kiddie fiddlers, I have not heard much of her plans, economy wise
Irelands economic rise is an outlier though - it was built on a unique set of circumstances that wouldn't apply to Scotland. The problem that Scotland will have is that if the SNP are in charge there will be no clear vision of what economic future they want - they could be ideally placed to emulate Norway and be a energy exporter but the SNP talks about closing down most of the energy sector to save the planet. Not sure that exporting Whiskey can support the sort of economy that Scotland aspires to. Hi pacifico Why this blanket assumption that the SNP will win the first Scottish general election. I suppose it's possible but extremely unlikely. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 1, 2023 19:14:59 GMT
Of all the bilge that you spout that might even be your most correct statement yet.
I have been making that observation for quite some time. It is simply because they are unable to present a convincing case for independence that they pour out their aggressive nonsense, parroted by their hard of thinking supporters including jaydee, perhaps they will surprise us and convince the Scottish electorate to vote YES next time, or perhaps not, who knows, they couldn't last time.
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Post by research0it on Jan 1, 2023 19:20:41 GMT
Of all the bilge that you spout that might even be your most correct statement yet. I have been making that observation for quite some time. It is simply because they are unable to present a convincing case for independence that they pour out their aggressive nonsense, parroted by their hard of thinking supporters including jaydee, perhaps they will surprise us and convince the Scottish electorate to vote YES next time, or perhaps not, who knows, they couldn't last time. Hi Om15 Well my OP was an attempt to show that a convincing case for independence is possible to make. Of course it's full if maybes but so is staying in the uk. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 1, 2023 19:48:14 GMT
Well, I suppose if someone can come along and make a convincing case then the Scots might vote for independence, however to date no one has done so, nor listening to the official SNP propaganda does it look as though that will happen.
We seem to be going round in circles, the Scots have overwhelmingly voted to remain part of the Union and yet a few rather fixated supporters seem to believe this is the fault of the English, it is most odd.
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Post by research0it on Jan 1, 2023 22:19:07 GMT
Well, I suppose if someone can come along and make a convincing case then the Scots might vote for independence, however to date no one has done so, nor listening to the official SNP propaganda does it look as though that will happen. We seem to be going round in circles, the Scots have overwhelmingly voted to remain part of the Union and yet a few rather fixated supporters seem to believe this is the fault of the English, it is most odd. Hi Om15 I think I've tried to put across thar whether scotland should be independent or not is not contingent upon what the SNP say or do. I think both sides are obsessed by this. On another point, where on earth do you get the idea that anyone thinks it's the fault of the English? And that's if even blame or fault is appropriate? A rational decision needs made without blaming anyone. For example my OP is a simple analysis of where the weaknesses of the uk economy is. The British are to blame for that. The British include the Scots. If blame is an appropriate word to use. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 22:28:34 GMT
It's contingent on the way they've already voted (and rejected what you want).
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