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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 9, 2023 16:29:08 GMT
He's certainly very intelligent and well capable of keeping his head under pressure But as others have said, he's not electable. Far too much of a 'we lead, plebs obey' set of views and a distinct lack of street sense. You can't just govern the UK, it has to at least equally be led by example. This cartoon of a couple of years back, while not true per se, damns him because it captures so much of what he communicates about his values  As far as I can tell we still import oil from Mesopotamia, sell Persia all manner of stuff on the side and the Mogg's top hat probably came from far Cathay.
Private Eye's school boy humour is well enough, but most schoolboys tend to be better informed
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Post by patman post on Jan 9, 2023 17:42:30 GMT
I agree with both of the above. Yes, JRM would be an excellent and capable PM but he hasn't got a cat in hell's chance of actually getting elected. Truss — and before her, IDS — got put in by the blue rinse and Col blimp members in Tunbridge Wells, so it’s a possibility in today’s UK madhouse… |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 19, 2023 8:10:13 GMT
I think the problem is that he's too vulnerable to being "lampooned". It seems to be perfectly OK to poke fun at "posh" people like JRM, but
if anyone took the piss out of, for example, the way Angela Rayner talks, they'd be attacked mercilessly.
It's a pity because I think he'd make a good PM and it would be an interesting experiment. We've never had a PM who knows what he's talking about and is unfailingly polite to everyone. WHo knows, it might work. He's also a genuine Conservative.
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Post by patman post on Jan 19, 2023 13:42:47 GMT
I think the problem is that he's too vulnerable to being "lampooned". It seems to be perfectly OK to poke fun at "posh" people like JRM, but if anyone took the piss out of, for example, the way Angela Rayner talks, they'd be attacked mercilessly. It's a pity because I think he'd make a good PM and it would be an interesting experiment. We've never had a PM who knows what he's talking about and is unfailingly polite to everyone. WHo knows, it might work. He's also a genuine Conservative. He's not only your idea of a genuine Conservative. Unfortunately, he's also too many other people's idea of a genuine Conservative — probably most of them rabidly anti-Tory.
As for JRM being an interesting experiment as PM — no thanks. The Party has already had one experimental PM imposed on it with the disastrous Truss. Do you really want another with further catastrophic results...?
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 19, 2023 14:39:17 GMT
I think the problem is that he's too vulnerable to being "lampooned". It seems to be perfectly OK to poke fun at "posh" people like JRM, but if anyone took the piss out of, for example, the way Angela Rayner talks, they'd be attacked mercilessly. It's a pity because I think he'd make a good PM and it would be an interesting experiment. We've never had a PM who knows what he's talking about and is unfailingly polite to everyone. WHo knows, it might work. He's also a genuine Conservative. He's not only your idea of a genuine Conservative. Unfortunately, he's also too many other people's idea of a genuine Conservative — probably most of them rabidly anti-Tory.
As for JRM being an interesting experiment as PM — no thanks. The Party has already had one experimental PM imposed on it with the disastrous Truss. Do you really want another with further catastrophic results...?
I think it has become pretty obvious that the reason why Truss was booted out was because the Tory MPs wanted Sunak to be PM. They were pissed off that the members voted for Truss - that wasn't meant to happen - so there was a concerted campaign to trash her "mini-budget". They mobilised their friends in the city - and even Sunak joined in the attack - to trash Sterling. And then they overrode democracy to appoint Sunak. Maybe you'd like to tell me which bits of the mini-budget you thought were disastrous? I think the current strategy (by Sunak) is disastrous, but Truss's policy had a lot to commend it. You can't tax your way out of a recession, especially when there's a cost of living crisis. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 20, 2023 13:22:31 GMT
He's not only your idea of a genuine Conservative. Unfortunately, he's also too many other people's idea of a genuine Conservative — probably most of them rabidly anti-Tory.
As for JRM being an interesting experiment as PM — no thanks. The Party has already had one experimental PM imposed on it with the disastrous Truss. Do you really want another with further catastrophic results...?
I think it has become pretty obvious that the reason why Truss was booted out was because the Tory MPs wanted Sunak to be PM. They were pissed off that the members voted for Truss - that wasn't meant to happen - so there was a concerted campaign to trash her "mini-budget". They mobilised their friends in the city - and even Sunak joined in the attack - to trash Sterling. And then they overrode democracy to appoint Sunak. Maybe you'd like to tell me which bits of the mini-budget you thought were disastrous? I think the current strategy (by Sunak) is disastrous, but Truss's policy had a lot to commend it. You can't tax your way out of a recession, especially when there's a cost of living crisis. Do you fancy joining the QAnon movement? The GCR will be here very soon... |
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Post by om15 on Jan 20, 2023 21:26:24 GMT
It is rumoured that JRM will be hosting his own programme on GB News, apparently not enough time has elapsed since he was in the cabinet to permit him to announce this officially. The odd time that I have seen him speak on GB News he has come across as well spoken, well informed, factual and able to articulate his opinion without insults, rancour or blasphemy.
That puts him ahead of about 90% of the Conservative Party and of 100% of the Labour Party.
I can hardly imagine him slurring Labour Scum at a Party conference, nor is it likely that he takes the knee to follow the fashion.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 21, 2023 8:23:22 GMT
I think it has become pretty obvious that the reason why Truss was booted out was because the Tory MPs wanted Sunak to be PM. They were pissed off that the members voted for Truss - that wasn't meant to happen - so there was a concerted campaign to trash her "mini-budget". They mobilised their friends in the city - and even Sunak joined in the attack - to trash Sterling. And then they overrode democracy to appoint Sunak. Maybe you'd like to tell me which bits of the mini-budget you thought were disastrous? I think the current strategy (by Sunak) is disastrous, but Truss's policy had a lot to commend it. You can't tax your way out of a recession, especially when there's a cost of living crisis. Do you fancy joining the QAnon movement? The GCR will be here very soon... I don't think it's delusional to accuse politicians of conspiracies - that's what they spend most of their time doing. You don't think that they run the country do you? |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 21, 2023 15:17:30 GMT
I don't care what accent the PM has ( except Scouse) or which school any Tory PM went to , I just what one that will tell the EU and French to Foxtrot Oscar, get the economy firing on all cylinders, sorts out the NHS, deals with boatpeople, lowers taxes as soon as possible to attract investors, sorts out Law and Order and Public Spending, and keeps the far Left out of power for years and years to come.
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Post by patman post on Jan 21, 2023 15:22:37 GMT
He's not only your idea of a genuine Conservative. Unfortunately, he's also too many other people's idea of a genuine Conservative — probably most of them rabidly anti-Tory.
As for JRM being an interesting experiment as PM — no thanks. The Party has already had one experimental PM imposed on it with the disastrous Truss. Do you really want another with further catastrophic results...?
I think it has become pretty obvious that the reason why Truss was booted out was because the Tory MPs wanted Sunak to be PM. They were pissed off that the members voted for Truss - that wasn't meant to happen - so there was a concerted campaign to trash her "mini-budget". They mobilised their friends in the city - and even Sunak joined in the attack - to trash Sterling. And then they overrode democracy to appoint Sunak. Maybe you'd like to tell me which bits of the mini-budget you thought were disastrous? I think the current strategy (by Sunak) is disastrous, but Truss's policy had a lot to commend it. You can't tax your way out of a recession, especially when there's a cost of living crisis. If you don’t mind me pointing it out, the Tory MPs preference for Sunak was clear way before the Tunbridge Wells blue rinses and Col Blimps voted Truss in. Also, the UK is supposed not to be in recession — but, I admit, many of the economic forecasters I trust, predict it’s on the horizon. The adverse reaction by international markets to the Truss Fisher-Price version of Reaganomics increased the cost of UK borrowings by billions and set back its ability to support the necessary upgrades to its infrastructure and advanced industries. This means the country does not have enough in the bank to drastically cut taxes across the board while also supporting education, energy, health and welfare, housing, transport, etc, without adding substantially to its borrowings with limited obvious means to repay. Truss was an aberration. Rees-Mogg would be the kiss of death. If the current PM can sort out his cabinet and team of advisers, he has an outside chance of keeping the Tories in government… |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 23, 2023 8:42:39 GMT
I think it has become pretty obvious that the reason why Truss was booted out was because the Tory MPs wanted Sunak to be PM. They were pissed off that the members voted for Truss - that wasn't meant to happen - so there was a concerted campaign to trash her "mini-budget". They mobilised their friends in the city - and even Sunak joined in the attack - to trash Sterling. And then they overrode democracy to appoint Sunak. Maybe you'd like to tell me which bits of the mini-budget you thought were disastrous? I think the current strategy (by Sunak) is disastrous, but Truss's policy had a lot to commend it. You can't tax your way out of a recession, especially when there's a cost of living crisis. If you don’t mind me pointing it out, the Tory MPs preference for Sunak was clear way before the Tunbridge Wells blue rinses and Col Blimps voted Truss in. Also, the UK is supposed not to be in recession — but, I admit, many of the economic forecasters I trust, predict it’s on the horizon. The adverse reaction by international markets to the Truss Fisher-Price version of Reaganomics increased the cost of UK borrowings by billions and set back its ability to support the necessary upgrades to its infrastructure and advanced industries.
This means the country does not have enough in the bank to drastically cut taxes across the board while also supporting education, energy, health and welfare, housing, transport, etc, without adding substantially to its borrowings with limited obvious means to repay. Truss was an aberration. Rees-Mogg would be the kiss of death. If the current PM can sort out his cabinet and team of advisers, he has an outside chance of keeping the Tories in government… But what do you think caused the adverse reaction of the international markets? You have to bear in mind that the markets are heavily affected by sentiment and when large numbers of the Tory party trashed the mini-budget (including the previous Chancellor Sunak) it was bound to have a bad effect on Sterling - which in turn meant that the UK had to raise interest rates and made borrowing more costly. This was a deliberate attempt by the Tory MPs to get rid of Truss because they didn't vote for her. However, the main problem with the mini-budget was the removal of the top rate of income tax. This is what Labour were complaining about and what the markets didn't like because they thought it was a bad time to cut taxes. Yet the cost of this tax cut was negligible (less than £2 billion). It's called "sentiment" - it's not rational, but markets are often not rational. Most of the mini-budget was quite sensible - going for growth and slashing Corporation Tax for example. Remember it was slashing CT that led Ireland's recovery after the Credit Crunch. Yet Sunak is just about to put it UP. Sunak trashed Sterling to get into power, but now he finds that in getting rid of Truss he's left himself with no room for manouevre whatsoever. He HAS to put up taxes and stifle growth. It's his own fault. So what did you think was "Fisher-Price" about the budget? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 23, 2023 13:19:37 GMT
We don't need another Eton toff running the country. After Cameron and Boris it is unlikely that another out of touch member of the ''elite'' would get the support necessary to become leader of the party. Besides, the next Tory leader is likely to be leader of the opposition and not PM. Johnson is a socialist and Cameron was fairly socialist too, but not as bad as Johnson. Rishi is socialist too, but also not as bad as Johnson. Mogg though is like John Redwood, someone intelligent who is a capitalist. Oxford is a pretty socialist university but when Mogg was there he was considered by the others as odd. I see that as a positive sign and what you are looking for, i.e. not another cut from the same cloth. If we are to make Britain work as an independent trading nation we need the ship 's captain to be a capitalist, so that he understands all other capitalists in this country and has a deep aversion to trade unionists. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 23, 2023 13:25:13 GMT
It is rumoured that JRM will be hosting his own programme on GB News, apparently not enough time has elapsed since he was in the cabinet to permit him to announce this officially. The odd time that I have seen him speak on GB News he has come across as well spoken, well informed, factual and able to articulate his opinion without insults, rancour or blasphemy. That puts him ahead of about 90% of the Conservative Party and of 100% of the Labour Party. I can hardly imagine him slurring Labour Scum at a Party conference, nor is it likely that he takes the knee to follow the fashion. He will do GB News a ton of good because up until now GB News has been affected by the thickos like IDS. Mogg will tell the channel what's what, so they don't keep on saying dumb things. GB News was marred by socialists trying to get in on the act. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 23, 2023 13:25:49 GMT
Steppenwolf asked:
But what do you think caused the adverse reaction of the international markets? You have to bear in mind that the markets are heavily affected by sentiment and when large numbers of the Tory party trashed the mini-budget (including the previous Chancellor Sunak) it was bound to have a bad effect on Sterling - which in turn meant that the UK had to raise interest rates and made borrowing more costly. This was a deliberate attempt by the Tory MPs to get rid of Truss because they didn't vote for her. However, the main problem with the mini-budget was the removal of the top rate of income tax. This is what Labour were complaining about and what the markets didn't like because they thought it was a bad time to cut taxes. Yet the cost of this tax cut was negligible (less than £2 billion). It's called "sentiment" - it's not rational, but markets are often not rational.
Most of the mini-budget was quite sensible - going for growth and slashing Corporation Tax for example. Remember it was slashing CT that led Ireland's recovery after the Credit Crunch. Yet Sunak is just about to put it UP. Sunak trashed Sterling to get into power, but now he finds that in getting rid of Truss he's left himself with no room for manouevre whatsoever. He HAS to put up taxes and stifle growth. It's his own fault.
So what did you think was "Fisher-Price" about the budget?
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What you refer to as sentiment is really confidence.
Even before Truss was foisted on MPs by a mostly elderly and out of touch Tunbridge Wells types of blue rinses and Col Blimps, her campaign thoughts were being questioned and criticised by Sunak and economists.
Once Truss was installed and she and her lapdog chancellor were readying her budget they never passed it by the OBR, which would normally check figures and feasibility and would have found the glaring £8+ billion hole in the proposed funding.
The immediate drop in the pound at the budget’s presentation, and chaos on the stock market, needed Bank of England intervention to stop UK pension funds falling off a cliff top.
To blame all this on Tory MPs trashing the Truss mini budget when the markets reacted to the actual presentation requires a Johnsonian ability to ignore reality and address irrelevant points.
Fisher-Price, once known for its pull-along waddling ducks to amuse children, now offers children’s toys up to early learning stage — ideal for the immature slogan-voicing pretendy financial experts…
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 23, 2023 13:29:35 GMT
I think the problem is that he's too vulnerable to being "lampooned". It seems to be perfectly OK to poke fun at "posh" people like JRM, but if anyone took the piss out of, for example, the way Angela Rayner talks, they'd be attacked mercilessly. It's a pity because I think he'd make a good PM and it would be an interesting experiment. We've never had a PM who knows what he's talking about and is unfailingly polite to everyone. WHo knows, it might work. He's also a genuine Conservative. He is very good at taking on the pisstakers from the left. They have tried to heckle his political meetings, but he has walked over to them with the national TV cameras rolling and tried to start a political debate. This is when you see how unintelligent the leftwing militants are. It's like "Have a go if you think you are tough enough" but in the end they all flop. |
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