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Post by Vinny on Oct 13, 2022 9:10:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 16:26:07 GMT
So, the discrimination also affects those in Scotland who are not considered Scottish enough. Quite appalling, but I guess this plays to the nationalistic theme, which has little to do with patriotism. Scotland can block Westminster on devolved issues where England isn't even recognised. This is discrimination, and at the time of devolution elsewhere the response was to deny that the English even existed.
If we are to have a Union it should be fair and balanced, and under the current state of affairs I would support full independence for England, tuition fees or not. At least the people of England would get something to represent them, even if we concluded that tuition fees is a necessity.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 15, 2022 22:33:28 GMT
So, the discrimination also affects those in Scotland who are not considered Scottish enough. Quite appalling, but I guess this plays to the nationalistic theme, which has little to do with patriotism. Scotland can block Westminster on devolved issues where England isn't even recognised. This is discrimination, and at the time of devolution elsewhere the response was to deny that the English even existed. If we are to have a Union it should be fair and balanced, and under the current state of affairs I would support full independence for England, tuition fees or not. At least the people of England would get something to represent them, even if we concluded that tuition fees is a necessity. Scottish devolved matters and the Scottish parliament do not cost you one penny. If you want free tuition fees then vote for a party who will give you it. That is how Scotland spends its own money. Before you start making statements i suggest you understand devolution first |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 15, 2022 22:47:03 GMT
I'm so glad that Ola Jasim got justice but it should never have gone to court, she should have had her rights from the start.
We shouldn't even be talking about this, she should simply be another student in Scotland getting on with her life and good luck to her.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2022 16:08:39 GMT
I think it is worth pointing out that until we left the EU any EU citizen could attend a Scottish university under the same terms as a native born Scot, but special laws implemented in Scotland ensured an Englishman wanting to study there was specifically bled dry.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 21, 2022 10:31:14 GMT
I think it is worth pointing out that until we left the EU any EU citizen could attend a Scottish university under the same terms as a native born Scot, but special laws implemented in Scotland ensured an Englishman wanting to study there was specifically bled dry. The special laws was not implemented in Scotland. It was implemented by the EU. EU law states that students must be treated as if they are local students when they go to study in any other EU state. So, Scots do not pay tuition fees, therefore EU students do not. If Scots study in any other EU state, they are treated the same as local students there. If they go to England. They are treated like English students and pay. If you are normally resident in England, Wales or Northern Ireland and want to study in Scotland then tuition fees do apply for undergraduate study. However, there are no fees upfront; you repay when you start earning after graduation. That is what happens in England. Not to mention Scottish devolved matters ie students fees. Do not cost the English tax payer one penny. If you want free tuition. Then vote for a party who will give you it. Not screw you rotten. So stop ranting undiluted garbage |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 21, 2022 10:33:39 GMT
English students in Scotland should not have to pay. Nor should Welsh or Northern Irish students.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 21, 2022 10:37:10 GMT
English students in Scotland should not have to pay. Nor should Welsh or Northern Irish students. Do you mean that people have to pay for snp indoctrination? Who would have thought it.. |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 21, 2022 12:16:27 GMT
English students in Scotland should not have to pay. Nor should Welsh or Northern Irish students. Do you mean that people have to pay for snp indoctrination? Who would have thought it.. Ah the man who ate the boiled ham raw. You are incapable of thinking. And for your info as you try to be a smart arse again making a total prat of your self. The EU was a retained matter. If you know what that means. . I am still waiting on you to correct any thing I said as you butted your nose in with drivel. So just for you here it is again. Go on be the first silly Englishman to correct it. See below in italics. Instead of ranting idiotic one line wonders. Not have slightest ability to back up. What indoctrination are you slastering about. It is a very simple question. By the way. I am still waiting on a answer from you. Being another silly Englishman who can only rant one line wonders. Why do you hate the First Minister. Who does not cost you as a English taxpayer one penny. Yet you root for clowns like Farage, Johnston Truss and so on. Who have cost you billions. You do not have a clue do you. Any way just for you regarding your rant. here it is again Just for you to correct. Now is that just not nice of me. Not including oil and gas, Scotland sold £86.4 billion in goods and services to England. England sold £93.4 billions in goods and services to Scotland. Scotland in terms of countries is England's largest trading partner with exports to Scotland greater than to Brazil, South Africa, Russia,. India, China and Japan put together. The jock haters are suggesting that some future arsehole English chancellor is going to put millions on the dole in England and destroy £180 billion worth of trade between the 2 nations, as they rant Scotland wants to leave England. . Or think some future chancellors are as stupid as them. There will be a hard border when the UK split up and yes there will be tariffs. Not because of Scotland. Because England voted to make itself poorer. Swallowing the lying fanny spewed by Farage and Johnston. As they now see what they voted for. I think by now even the village idiots in the real world have now concluded England is not going to benefit the sunny uplands with the easiest deal in history and have your cake and eat it. Would you care to correct any of that.You have already been told this and still come away with the same rubbish
So let me ask you for the third time. The First minister has stated Scotland will use the pound. A central bank is up and running. For several years. How do you work out she did not. Because you did not know. What two porkies did she tell. That is what you said. As you spectacularly fail to answer why you hate the First Minister and the Scots. . Or what benefit energy rich Scotland would gain remaining part of bankrupt England. Or how a border you voted for, is the fault of others. There will be no border on those coming from England into Scotland. That you will have created. Are silly Englishmen going to put up machine gun posts, on the other way about. . I await another insulting reply, with not one answer. What was that about fools.. Now to add to that. Can you tell me what the First minister made up as she went along. That is what you said.. What was that about making a total clown and prat of yourself. Then try and be a smart arse with insulting replies. You keep making lovely landings matey. But all at the wrong airport. Not to mention Scotland has the largest inward investment in Europe. So much for you drivel about business. Could I suggest you actually do a wee research first. Instead of as I make clear, swallowing utter fanny hook line and sinker, making a total idiot of yourself. On top of which Scotland can power itself on energy with wind alone twice over. That would be 90% cheaper for business on a indy Scotland. Now would you care to correct that. Instead of ranting utter clueless bile. . I await with bated breath with absolute stupidity that you will pass of as a reply. Now correct the indoctrination Te He |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 22, 2022 21:37:27 GMT
I think it is worth pointing out that until we left the EU any EU citizen could attend a Scottish university under the same terms as a native born Scot, but special laws implemented in Scotland ensured an Englishman wanting to study there was specifically bled dry. The special laws was not implemented in Scotland. It was implemented by the EU. EU law states that students must be treated as if they are local students when they go to study in any other EU state. So, Scots do not pay tuition fees, therefore EU students do not. If Scots study in any other EU state, they are treated the same as local students there. If they go to England. They are treated like English students and pay. If you are normally resident in England, Wales or Northern Ireland and want to study in Scotland then tuition fees do apply for undergraduate study. However, there are no fees upfront; you repay when you start earning after graduation. That is what happens in England. Not to mention Scottish devolved matters ie students fees. Do not cost the English tax payer one penny. If you want free tuition. Then vote for a party who will give you it. Not screw you rotten. So stop ranting undiluted garbage Bullshit. The EU never ran our tax policy despite wanting to. The implementation of a special charge on English students got implemented the very same moment the EU demanded they let EU students in under the same terms Scottish residents were. |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 23, 2022 8:41:55 GMT
The special laws was not implemented in Scotland. It was implemented by the EU. EU law states that students must be treated as if they are local students when they go to study in any other EU state. So, Scots do not pay tuition fees, therefore EU students do not. If Scots study in any other EU state, they are treated the same as local students there. If they go to England. They are treated like English students and pay. If you are normally resident in England, Wales or Northern Ireland and want to study in Scotland then tuition fees do apply for undergraduate study. However, there are no fees upfront; you repay when you start earning after graduation. That is what happens in England. Not to mention Scottish devolved matters ie students fees. Do not cost the English tax payer one penny. If you want free tuition. Then vote for a party who will give you it. Not screw you rotten. So stop ranting undiluted garbage Bullshit. The EU never ran our tax policy despite wanting to. The implementation of a special charge on English students got implemented the very same moment the EU demanded they let EU students in under the same terms Scottish residents were. What has tax to do with it. and which part of because Scotland is not a member state of the EU, a loophole in European law means the same requirement to treat other UK students equally does not apply. As a result, English, Welsh and Northern Irish students have to pay whatever fee the Scottish government and universities choose. Translate to you the EU said the opposite. What part is bullshit. But more to the point. Why do Englsih universities charge Scottish students. Now speaking of bullshit.. The EU did not, however, require the Scottish Government to fund the fees of UK nationals from elsewhere in the UK who came to study in Scotland. EU law strictly prohibits discriminating between nationals of different member states, but is not concerned with differential treatment within a member state. Students from the rest of the UK studying in Scotland therefore continued to pay the same fees and receive the same means-tested subsidy towards them from their home administration, as they did in the rest of the UK, and were not liable for the graduate endowment. Translates to your bullshit it was not EU law. Or are you going to go of on a denial rant. www.these-islands.co.uk/publications/i267/why_do_students_from_the_rest_of_the_uk_pay_tuition_fees_in_scotland.aspx |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 24, 2022 13:45:25 GMT
Bullshit. The EU never ran our tax policy despite wanting to. The implementation of a special charge on English students got implemented the very same moment the EU demanded they let EU students in under the same terms Scottish residents were. Exactly. The devolved Scottish Parliament could have let English, Welsh and Northern Irish students have the same terms as Scottish residents. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 24, 2022 15:57:33 GMT
Bullshit. The EU never ran our tax policy despite wanting to. The implementation of a special charge on English students got implemented the very same moment the EU demanded they let EU students in under the same terms Scottish residents were. Exactly. The devolved Scottish Parliament could have let English, Welsh and Northern Irish students have the same terms as Scottish residents. Your Government took the decision to charge tuition fees for ALL students at English universities. Why should English students be allowed to come to Scottish universities and expect to be treated the same as Scottish students? If you want free tuition to apply to English students elect an MP, and a Government, willing to push the measure |
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Post by thomas on Oct 24, 2022 17:16:45 GMT
Exactly. The devolved Scottish Parliament could have let English, Welsh and Northern Irish students have the same terms as Scottish residents. Your Government took the decision to charge tuition fees for ALL students at English universities. Why should English students be allowed to come to Scottish universities and expect to be treated the same as Scottish students? If you want free tuition to apply to English students elect an MP, and a Government, willing to push the measure well said moray. I couldnt be arsed going over this same line now for the millionth time. I think we need to copy and paste answers to the same questions that keep getting trotted out time and again , year by year.
Labour introduced tuition fees in scotland , then the snp abolished them. If the english dont want to pay them , vote in a party that doesnt support tuition fees.
England if im not mistaken now unsurprisingly has the highest tuition fees in the world .
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Post by Vinny on Oct 24, 2022 17:41:00 GMT
English people, Welsh people, Northern Irish people, all pay tax as well, it all goes into a big pot. Scottish students benefit from that pot. English Welsh and Northern Irish students should be able to as well. If not, introduce tuition fees in Scotland. And you're wrong, the SNP did not abolish tuition fees in Scotland, the Lib Dems did as a price tag for going into coalition with Donald Dewar in the first Scottish Parliament. www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/dec/21/scotland.tuitionfeesThe SNP had the opportunity to alter the policy and make it fairer, they did not. Fuck the SNP. |
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