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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 18, 2022 10:59:55 GMT
Just been listening to Corbyn on LBC. He started very sensibly discussing the nurses strike, pointing out that they're not after a pay rise but pay maintenance to keep up with the cost of living.
I even found myself nodding along, agreeing with Jeremy Corbyn. And that never happens.
And then came the whammy: Part of his proposed "Solution" is the seizure of private medical facilities. "Not paying for them" he said "...But taking them into public ownership".
Theft, in other words.
Leaving aside the practical considerations, the guy's an out and out fascist - that's the sort of things the Nazis did.
And idiots still think that voting Labour is a good idea.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2022 11:17:03 GMT
Well to be fair to Corbyn, seizing private facilities is what brought the NHS into being in the first place. All the NHS did was to put existing medical provision under new ownership - the first NHS built hospital didnt open until 1963.
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Post by borchester on Dec 18, 2022 11:34:26 GMT
Well to be fair to Corbyn, seizing private facilities is what brought the NHS into being in the first place. All the NHS did was to put existing medical provision under new ownership - the first NHS built hospital didnt open until 1963.
Not really.
Much of the NHS already existed in the form of various local authority hospitals, medical boards and such. It did not appear out of nowhere, which is why Anuerin Bevan managed to cobble it together in 18 months, despite still having Minister of Housing as his day job.
Nice idea the NHS, but it is like the Petrograd militia attacking the Winter Palace. The reality was Dads' Army beating up a few housewives, but then Sergei Eisenstein made a movie out of it and the myth was a lot more fun than the reality
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 18, 2022 11:35:28 GMT
Well to be fair to Corbyn, seizing private facilities is what brought the NHS into being in the first place. All the NHS did was to put existing medical provision under new ownership - the first NHS built hospital didnt open until 1963. Then it's a good job we've moved on since then. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 18, 2022 11:38:33 GMT
Corbyn is entitled to his views. I don’t agree with this one.
He has nothing to do with Labour.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2022 11:58:47 GMT
Corbyn is entitled to his views. I don’t agree with this one. He has nothing to do with Labour. LOL. Saying Corbyn has nothing to do with Labour is like saying Thatcher had nothing to do with the Tories. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2022 12:06:58 GMT
I was going to say - lets not forget that Starmer supported Corbyn's policies.
That is until Corbyn in a rare moment of clarity finally accepted that Brexit was a reality. At which point Starmer defied Labour leader Corbyn and publicly said Brexit could still be stopped, which caused a huge row within Labour. This was more than two years after the referendum btw.
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Post by dappy on Dec 18, 2022 12:19:01 GMT
Corbyn was never a supporter of the EU due to his socialist principles. Without him Brexit would never have happened. But that decision has long been made as has the decision on whether Corbyn will be PM or his ideas be relevant to today and future elections.
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Post by patman post on Dec 18, 2022 12:24:26 GMT
Corbyn is entitled to his views. I don’t agree with this one. He has nothing to do with Labour. LOL. Saying Corbyn has nothing to do with Labour is like saying Thatcher had nothing to do with the Tories. Thatcher brought the unions to heel partly by the sequestration of union funds (eg, stealing/taking over their assets), and allowing the TUC to recognise it didn’t have the wherewithal to support actions by individual unions… |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2022 12:28:37 GMT
Corbyn was never a supporter of the EU due to his socialist principles. Without him Brexit would never have happened. But that decision has long been made as has the decision on whether Corbyn will be PM or his ideas be relevant to today and future elections. What! Are you on something? You claim Brexit would never have happened without Corbyn?  |
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Post by borchester on Dec 18, 2022 12:29:39 GMT
Corbyn was never a supporter of the EU due to his socialist principles. Without him Brexit would never have happened. But that decision has long been made as has the decision on whether Corbyn will be PM or his ideas be relevant to today and future elections. Corbyn has always been a supporter of Corbyn having a fine old time talking bollocks about whatever will get him five minutes on the TV. Not a bad bloke, but one should always remember that he is only 13 years old. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 18, 2022 12:42:03 GMT
Corbyn was never a supporter of the EU due to his socialist principles. Without him Brexit would never have happened. But that decision has long been made as has the decision on whether Corbyn will be PM or his ideas be relevant to today and future elections. Corbyn has always been a supporter of Corbyn having a fine old time talking bollocks about whatever will get him five minutes on the TV. Not a bad bloke, but one should always remember that he is only 13 years old. lol He must have had a birthday recently. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 18, 2022 12:56:14 GMT
Corbyn never believed in the EU and actively sabotaged the Labour In campaign.
Without Corbyn it is highly likely that Remain would have won.
It’s history now.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 18, 2022 12:57:20 GMT
Just been listening to Corbyn on LBC. He started very sensibly discussing the nurses strike, pointing out that they're not after a pay rise but pay maintenance to keep up with the cost of living.
I even found myself nodding along, agreeing with Jeremy Corbyn. And that never happens.
And then came the whammy: Part of his proposed "Solution" is the seizure of private medical facilities. "Not paying for them" he said "...But taking them into public ownership".
Theft, in other words.
Leaving aside the practical considerations, the guy's an out and out fascist - that's the sort of things the Nazis did.
And idiots still think that voting Labour is a good idea.
Say what you like about Corbyn, his master plan for the ultimate nuclear deterrent was not to have one. And that was truly a stroke of genius. Deterrence works by making your opponent fear you will strike down their civilisation but no one can be certain. Not bothering with the expense of a nuclear deterrent is surely the ultimate step in leaving your enemy guessing Of course the one thing you can never do if you want this strategy to work is go on the Andrew Marr show on a Sunday and tell the whole world this is your master plan Oh, hang on … |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 18, 2022 13:08:51 GMT
Corbyn never believed in the EU and actively sabotaged the Labour In campaign. Without Corbyn it is highly likely that Remain would have won. It’s history now.
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