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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 16, 2022 21:25:33 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 17, 2022 18:12:10 GMT
So why are Labour not saying anything?
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 20, 2022 7:53:41 GMT
Most of world trade goes ahead quite happily under WTO regulations, which involve customs checks etc. If both parties operate with goodwill - and cooperate - then there are few problems. If the EU is going to demand that every nation that wants to trade with the EU must join the single market then it's not going to get many trade deals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 0:03:06 GMT
Most of world trade goes ahead quite happily under WTO regulations, which involve customs checks etc. If both parties operate with goodwill - and cooperate - then there are few problems. If the EU is going to demand that every nation that wants to trade with the EU must join the single market then it's not going to get many trade deals. The EU does not demand that every nation that wants to trade with the EU must join the single market. It doesn't have to. The EU chooses. Not the other way around . And it can well afford to be picky about which country to let in. Even the UK -- we had to "beg" the original six three times before they let us in. That's how exclusive a club the EU has always been. (a) It is a geographical trade bloc. So it is exclusive to European countries -- non-European countries need not apply! (b) Membership rules are tough. Membership is only open to European countries with a great, stable economy; outstanding human rights records: a government that upholds democratic ideals, etc. etc. etc. OK, apparently, they bent their rules to accommodate Greece; but Serbia? Turkey? Albania? Ukraine? You can't be a member just like that! (c) The EU or EU-27 countries have the most trade deals on the planet. Already. (d) Any country can trade with the EU without having to join it or its Single Market. There's trading under WTO rules. There are free trade agreements -- Canadian style; Swiss style; UK style. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 21, 2022 8:04:28 GMT
There are 135 non-EU member countries in the WTO, most of whom trade via WTO rules. In other words they pay tariffs and are subject to customs checks and possibly quotas. They are "Third party countries". They don't seem to be in a rush to negptiate a deal with the EU and there's no evidence that the EU makes trade difficult for them. Switzerland has various sectoral bilateral deals with the EU but also trades as a third party country (with some quotas) - and they trade without any obvious friction.
I wonder why the UK is the only country that seems to have some difficulty. It's a tricky one isn't it. Could it be that the EU concentrate vastly more checks on UK imports than to any other third party countries? Or that they are deliberately difficult about paperwork? Could it be that the EU Commission are determined to be as difficult as possible to try to stop other EU members leaving the EU?
It's blindingly obvious what's going on.
BTW the EU is not a trading bloc - it's a protectionist zone that is finding it increasingly difficult to make deals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 13:23:13 GMT
There are 135 non-EU member countries in the WTO, most of whom trade via WTO rules. In other words they pay tariffs and are subject to customs checks and possibly quotas. They are "Third party countries". They don't seem to be in a rush to negptiate a deal with the EU and there's no evidence that the EU makes trade difficult for them. Switzerland has various sectoral bilateral deals with the EU but also trades as a third party country (with some quotas) - and they trade without any obvious friction. I wonder why the UK is the only country that seems to have some difficulty. It's a tricky one isn't it. Could it be that the EU concentrate vastly more checks on UK imports than to any other third party countries? Or that they are deliberately difficult about paperwork? Could it be that the EU Commission are determined to be as difficult as possible to try to stop other EU members leaving the EU? It's blindingly obvious what's going on. BTW the EU is not a trading bloc - it's a protectionist zone that is finding it increasingly difficult to make deals. No. Nothing like that. The UK is the only country finding difficulty because the UK is the only country that does not wish to implement the trade deal it signed with the EU accordingly. The UK is the only country that tries to restructure its free trade agreement with the EU after ratifying it. The UK is the only country that obstruct the implementation of that deal. As simple as that. Indeed, it is blindingly obvious what's going on. Johnson, Truss and their Brexit Reinforcers tried to put one over on the EU and thought they could brazen it out and get away with it. The jury is still out on the very rich, ex green card holder, Rishi Sunak. There is no country and/or trading bloc on the planet that is not protectionist. It's just a question of how protectionist one is. Suck it up. BTW, Last time I checked the EU had over 30 free trade agreements under negotiation. Of course, that includes negotiations which are on hold. |
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