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Post by Toreador on Dec 17, 2022 18:00:27 GMT
Perhps if the young appreciated the advice of the old, perhaps if the parents of the young appreciated the advice of the old and perhaps if governments welcomed the old advising the young but they don't. What they want is people trained in a certain way to advise the young; it's called indoctrination. The old never understand change. Tis the way of the world. Ahh the good old days, which are definitely old, but not necessarily good. I thought you were complaining that the old weren't helping the young. Advice from an old'un. Restrict the number of posts you make on a topic, the more yoiu make the more you make a fool of yourself. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 18:05:56 GMT
The old never understand change. Tis the way of the world. Ahh the good old days, which are definitely old, but not necessarily good. I thought you were complaining that the old weren't helping the young. Advice from an old'un. Restrict the number of posts you make on a topic, the more yoiu make the more you make a fool of yourself. I agree when the posts reach this low its time to stop. Gotta get ready to go out anyway. But feel free to continue your childish insults in my absence. Forgive me if I don't bother to respond. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 17, 2022 18:08:47 GMT
I thought you were complaining that the old weren't helping the young. Advice from an old'un. Restrict the number of posts you make on a topic, the more yoiu make the more you make a fool of yourself. I agree when the posts reach this low its time to stop. Gotta get ready to go out anyway. But feel free to continue your childish insults in my absence. Forgive me if I don't bother to respond. You not reponding to anything would be great. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 17, 2022 18:13:51 GMT
Has well has the excessive state pension to the tune of costing the tax payers a staggering sum of £107billion a year they also get free peerks. Council tax/reduction , free medical prescriptons, Free public travel, cold weather payment ,cost of living payments, Which was a nice way of saying, get the silly nonsense from your heads, it isn't happening however much you are doing a Blair and trying to con the youth. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 17, 2022 18:19:23 GMT
Has well has the excessive state pension to the tune of costing the tax payers a staggering sum of £107billion a year they also get free peerks. Council tax/reduction , free medical prescriptons, Free public travel, cold weather payment ,cost of living payments, It's not excessive, in most cases it isn't enough. Why else do you think so many pensioners need benefits? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 17, 2022 18:45:14 GMT
the average pensioner’s net income increase by £510 a year since 2010.Welfare reforms made over the same period mean that working households with a child are down £375 a year. This is despite the fact that the number of pensioners in poverty (18pc) is well below that of the population as a whole (22pc) or children, almost a third of whom are below the poverty line.
Of cousre the state pension enough
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Post by Toreador on Dec 17, 2022 20:26:39 GMT
the average pensioner’s net income increase by £510 a year since 2010.Welfare reforms made over the same period mean that working households with a child are down £375 a year. This is despite the fact that the number of pensioners in poverty (18pc) is well below that of the population as a whole (22pc) or children, almost a third of whom are below the poverty line. Of cousre the state pension enough Stop talking bollox, many pensioners still have a mortgage round their necks. Many pensioners live in places where they need to run a car. Pensioners are having to pay elevated fuel bils. There's a whole bagful of reasons some pensioners struggle. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 17, 2022 20:28:26 GMT
the average pensioner’s net income increase by £510 a year since 2010.Welfare reforms made over the same period mean that working households with a child are down £375 a year. This is despite the fact that the number of pensioners in poverty (18pc) is well below that of the population as a whole (22pc) or children, almost a third of whom are below the poverty line. Of cousre the state pension enough In isolation that means very little as we have no idea what the starting point is and what is the definition of a working household in this context. If one started at £1000 per annum and another at £100,000 per annum we get to approx £16000 and approx £95,000. Also it is just welfare reforms that are accounted for or do they cater for the average wage increase in this period. Best idea have you a link to the detail? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 17, 2022 20:42:27 GMT
Most people aged 65 and over (79%) live in a home they own. · 74% of people age 65 and over own their home outright – while 4.6% are paying off a mortgage.
ttps://www.google.com/url?q=https://ageing-better.org.uk/housing-state-ageing-2020&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiPteygwIH8AhXJQ0EAHchQCoUQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw0RqgrzGBetjTyurVp_8_f3
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Post by see2 on Dec 17, 2022 21:11:05 GMT
the average pensioner’s net income increase by £510 a year since 2010.Welfare reforms made over the same period mean that working households with a child are down £375 a year. This is despite the fact that the number of pensioners in poverty (18pc) is well below that of the population as a whole (22pc) or children, almost a third of whom are below the poverty line. Of cousre the state pension enough Playing catch-up after many many years of annual erosion ---- for too many pensioners. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 17, 2022 21:14:07 GMT
Most people aged 65 and over (79%) live in a home they own. · 74% of people age 65 and over own their home outright – while 4.6% are paying off a mortgage. ttps://www.google.com/url?q=https://ageing-better.org.uk/housing-state-ageing-2020&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiPteygwIH8AhXJQ0EAHchQCoUQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw0RqgrzGBetjTyurVp_8_f3 After 50+ years of both partners working full time. So what?? ?? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 17, 2022 21:31:38 GMT
the average pensioner’s net income increase by £510 a year since 2010.Welfare reforms made over the same period mean that working households with a child are down £375 a year. This is despite the fact that the number of pensioners in poverty (18pc) is well below that of the population as a whole (22pc) or children, almost a third of whom are below the poverty line. Of cousre the state pension enough Playing catch-up after many many years of annual erosion ---- for too many pensioners. How many years of annual erorision ? Even under the new labour years the state pension went up by 50% |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 17, 2022 21:32:33 GMT
Most people aged 65 and over (79%) live in a home they own. · 74% of people age 65 and over own their home outright – while 4.6% are paying off a mortgage. ttps://www.google.com/url?q=https://ageing-better.org.uk/housing-state-ageing-2020&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiPteygwIH8AhXJQ0EAHchQCoUQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw0RqgrzGBetjTyurVp_8_f3 Most people live in a house they own because they went without through many uncertain periods to pay the mortgage with some eye watering interest rates that was not buying value it was paying interest. I am not clear what there is something wrong with that. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 17, 2022 22:29:41 GMT
I think these claims are in part a reaction to the pensioners constant claim that they have paid their dues and deserve to be free of the countries problems. The boomers making hay without care for the future. Taking more out than they put in (because it was promised) regardless of reality. Even willing to sell the future of the planet (global warming) for good times now. Perhaps both sides are wrong, but there are both sides. Pensioners claim that they have paid their dues because they have. . . . Yes and no Yes we pensioners paid was was legally due but it was never enough and is very much way too little now. The state pension has always been a Ponzi scheme, the pensions are paid not from a properly invested return from the relevant contributions but by the contributions of those working plus taxes on the higher earners. In the early years it wasn't too imbalanced as so many people died before being able to claim their state pension, very much the other way round now. It's one of many reasons why government after government has boosted our working population with immigrants. On an actuarial basis at best only the state pension 'due' from contributions is about half what is currently paid. With the triple lock that gets worse every year. This won't change any time soon, no government is going to sign its own death warrant by offending the silver haired voters or raising the state pension age to 75. But squaring the circle on the finances gets ever more difficult. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 17, 2022 23:05:06 GMT
Playing catch-up after many many years of annual erosion ---- for too many pensioners. How many years of annual erorision ? Even under the new labour years the state pension went up by 50% You are not making any allowances for inflation which also affects the limited savings of many pensioners. The triple lock was introduced because Pensions were not keeping up with wage increases. Take a 2% annual rise on a pension against a 2% annual rise on a £25,000 salary and the problem is easily seen. |
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