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Post by wapentake on Nov 22, 2024 15:05:55 GMT
Common sense has prevailed link
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Post by Handyman on Nov 22, 2024 15:19:27 GMT
Good
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2024 15:50:51 GMT
Contrary to previous discussions, I've now read that the police were in fact investigating an allegation of crime (inciting racial hatred) and not a "Non Crime Hate Incident" as originally reported.
As such, they were well within their rights to request that she attend for interview. Indeed, they could have arrested her but chose not to.
The only thing they did wrong was failing to consider whether the allegation could have lead to a successful prosecution in the first place.
Sadly, the police do tend to shoot from the hip way too often: An allegation is made and somone gets nicked before anyone considers whether the case is going anywhere.
If they made such considerations up front, they could save an awful lot of their own time and an awful lot of stress for innocent people wrongly accused of crimes.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 22, 2024 16:23:06 GMT
Contrary to previous discussions, I've now read that the police were in fact investigating an allegation of crime (inciting racial hatred) and not a "Non Crime Hate Incident" as originally reported.
As such, they were well within their rights to request that she attend for interview. Indeed, they could have arrested her but chose not to.
The only thing they did wrong was failing to consider whether the allegation could have lead to a successful prosecution in the first place.
Sadly, the police do tend to shoot from the hip way too often: An allegation is made and somone gets nicked before anyone considers whether the case is going anywhere.
If they made such considerations up front, they could save an awful lot of their own time and an awful lot of stress for innocent people wrongly accused of crimes.
Had she agreed to be interviewed the CPS would have assessed what she said to the Police, as they decide who is prosecuted not the Police
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Post by om15 on Nov 22, 2024 16:59:22 GMT
If she was a Tesco checkout lady she would have been charged and in all probability sent to prison. That is just how it is at the moment. Reform have pledged to remove the register of non crime hate crime rubbish and get rid of the corrupt and Marxist system being abused by the Police. Should get them a few votes, probably about ten million I should think.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2024 17:21:37 GMT
Contrary to previous discussions, I've now read that the police were in fact investigating an allegation of crime (inciting racial hatred) and not a "Non Crime Hate Incident" as originally reported.
As such, they were well within their rights to request that she attend for interview. Indeed, they could have arrested her but chose not to.
The only thing they did wrong was failing to consider whether the allegation could have lead to a successful prosecution in the first place.
Sadly, the police do tend to shoot from the hip way too often: An allegation is made and somone gets nicked before anyone considers whether the case is going anywhere.
If they made such considerations up front, they could save an awful lot of their own time and an awful lot of stress for innocent people wrongly accused of crimes.
Had she agreed to be interviewed the CPS would have assessed what she said to the Police, as they decide who is prosecuted not the Police Yes but the police still have discretion about when and, more importantly, if they take action.
And they have (correctly IMHO) exercised that discretion in this case.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2024 17:23:34 GMT
If she was a Tesco checkout lady she would have been charged and in all probability sent to prison. That is just how it is at the moment. Reform have pledged to remove the register of non crime hate crime rubbish and get rid of the corrupt and Marxist system being abused by the Police. Should get them a few votes, probably about ten million I should think. Point of order: Apparently it wasn't a "Non Crime Hate Incident".
And you can't be sent to prison or arrested for a "Non Crime Hate Incident" because, as the name suggests, it isn't a crime.
And yes I agree that the whole "Non Crime Hate Incident" thing is total nonsense.
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 22, 2024 17:45:55 GMT
The Squeezed Middle Glad to hear you've got around to reading my post made on the morning of Tuesday 19th 'And so when it gets pushed further down the line to Essex Police they're the only one's out of the three forces involved that finally made a decision to scrap the NCHI option and to request to interview Pearson with a view to charging her with malicious communication'
But can we really say this was a case of shooting from the hip ? ..... it was 12 months since Pearson was reported to the Police for this tweet before a couple of Coppers knocked on her front door. And as I said in my post of 17th November on the same subject: 'The Essex force made two ‘assessments’ of the case before they finally came to their decision to open an investigation' .... more than enough time to weigh up options and the likely consequences.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 22, 2024 17:52:11 GMT
Had she agreed to be interviewed the CPS would have assessed what she said to the Police, as they decide who is prosecuted not the Police Yes but the police still have discretion about when and, more importantly, if they take action.
And they have (correctly IMHO) exercised that discretion in this case.
I agree they used their discretion
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2024 17:57:58 GMT
Glad to hear you've got around to reading my post made on the morning of Tuesday 19th... Sorry, that got lost in the signal clutter. Although I did say at the time the some were confusing crime and "Non Crime Incidents". But can we really say this was a case of shooting from the hip ? Nope. Which is why I didn't. Now what was that you were saying about reading posts? (Although, for the record, the police do shoot from the hip far too often and without any consideration for where the case is likely to go. Which is why they end up looking stupid so often).
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 22, 2024 20:26:22 GMT
Common sense has prevailed linkOnly because of the public outcry over this. Imagine the ones that don't get dropped for people who don't have her kind of platform.
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 22, 2024 20:36:57 GMT
The Squeezed Middle
The time to exercise discretion was when they were making their assessments, one very important assessment would have been assessing whether they could make the case stick and if there was any serious hope of Pearson being found guilty. When it came to assessments they got it badly wrong. What we witnessed yesterday was an omission of defeat and a hurried climb down. Yesterday breakfast time I listened to Pearson go on the attack, basically saying 'bring it on' to the Essex Force, listing those, such as ex Cabinet Ministers and others with recent connections to the Essex Force that were backing her, and saying the Essex Force at the top was now riddled with Wokeism:
'I think I'm afraid to say, and this is a very very sad and fearful conclusion, that these Graduates from the College of Policing, who are completely captured by Woke ideology, by diversity, equality and inclusion, seem to now see their job as defending minorities against the majority white population ..... this is an allegation that seems to be borne out by people .... we would get less respect and attention to our complaints than one coming from a favoured minority group'
and Pearson pointed to an example
'So let's just give another example of the marvellous Essex Police who this week decided that an Imam, who had in a sermon in the mosque, had said basically "destroy all the Zionists", you know, one of those, not something that I ever advocate, going around destroying anyone's homes, but the Imam ? ...no further calls for investigation !! .... Alison Pearson ?, respectable, you know, Daily telegraph columnist, let's send two Coppers round !. This is an astonishing jaw-dropping double standard, and I think they cannot reconcile these problems!'
As I say, at breakfast time Pearson gave them both barrels and threw down the gauntlet, and by the time I got home from work in the evening the news was that Essex Police had announced their investigation against Allison Pearson was suddenly being called off completely. Damage limitation, waving the white flag ...... and maybe a phone call from higher up saying look, you're bang to rights, and your two tier Wokeism is going to fail miserably when Pearson exposes it in a Courtroom ...... put a stop to this now, your discretion of 'go after her' has utterly failed, get yourself some super-fast new discretion this very afternoon labelled 'Oops sorry Alison .....really sorry to have troubled you, let's both forget and say no more about it'
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2024 20:52:16 GMT
The Squeezed Middle The time to exercise discretion was when they were making their assessments, one very important assessment would have been assessing whether they could make the case stick and if there was any serious hope of Pearson being found guilty. When it came to assessments they got it badly wrong. What we witnessed yesterday was an omission of defeat and a hurried climb down. Yesterday breakfast time I listened to Pearson go on the attack, basically saying 'bring it on' to the Essex Force, listing those, such as ex Cabinet Ministers and others with recent connections to the Essex Force that were backing her, and saying the Essex Force at the top was now riddled with Wokeism: 'I think I'm afraid to say, and this is a very very sad and fearful conclusion, that these Graduates from the College of Policing, who are completely captured by Woke ideology, by diversity, equality and inclusion, seem to now see their job as defending minorities against the majority white population ..... this is an allegation that seems to be borne out by people .... we would get less respect and attention to our complaints than one coming from a favoured minority group'and Pearson pointed to an example 'So let's just give another example of the marvellous Essex Police who this week decided that an Imam, who had in a sermon in the mosque, had said basically "destroy all the Zionists", you know, one of those, not something that I ever advocate, going around destroying anyone's homes, but the Imam ? ...no further calls for investigation !! .... Alison Pearson ?, respectable, you know, Daily telegraph columnist, let's send two Coppers round !. This is an astonishing jaw-dropping double standard, and I think they cannot reconcile these problems!'
As I say, at breakfast time Pearson gave them both barrels and threw down the gauntlet, and by the time I got home from work in the evening the news was that Essex Police had announced their investigation against Allison Pearson was suddenly being called off completely. Damage limitation, waving the white flag ...... and maybe a phone call from higher up saying look, you're bang to rights, and your two tier Wokeism is going to fail miserably when Pearson exposes it in a Courtroom ...... put a stop to this now, your discretion of 'go after her' has utterly failed, get yourself some super-fast new discretion this very afternoon labelled 'Oops sorry Alison .....really sorry to have troubled you, let's both forget and say no more about it' Yep, you're probably right. Maybe I gave them too much credit.
However, they (the police collectively) clearly didn't have much appetite for it from the outset. I mean, it got passed from one force to another for a year before someone finally decided that "something needed to be done" about it.
And I'm guessing that the someone was some jellyfish* member of the senior management who was afraid of being accused of an "ism" if they didn't order some action over this.
And even then, no one actually wanted to arrest her.
*No brain, no spine and no balls.
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