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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 10:20:32 GMT
So we are not joining the EU, we are not joining the EEA, we are not having a Swiss style agreement - just what are you looking forward to? Who says? As mentioned, the higher the levels of dissatisfaction, the bolder will be the proposals for a new relationship with the EU. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 10:22:05 GMT
It would be interesting to know which bit of Brexit has gone badly. That is discussed at length in other threads. This thread is about the public perception of how Brexit is going. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2022 11:24:31 GMT
So we are not joining the EU, we are not joining the EEA, we are not having a Swiss style agreement - just what are you looking forward to? Who says? As mentioned, the higher the levels of dissatisfaction, the bolder will be the proposals for a new relationship with the EU. Feel free to spend £500 getting elected and then you can convince 650 MP's to back your cause for another referendum. Let us know how you get on. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 11:30:21 GMT
Who says? As mentioned, the higher the levels of dissatisfaction, the bolder will be the proposals for a new relationship with the EU. Feel free to spend £500 getting elected and then you can convince 650 MP's to back your cause for another referendum. Let us know how you get on. Hmmm, let's see how things progress once Moggy and crew have been thrown out on their ear. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2022 16:03:40 GMT
It would be interesting to know which bit of Brexit has gone badly. That is discussed at length in other threads. This thread is about the public perception of how Brexit is going. Do we know why they think that? I think Brexit is not going as well as I hoped and there are a multitude of reasons for that not least is beacsue obstacle after obstacle has been placed in the way of a smooth Brexit by the EU and many Remainers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 16:10:00 GMT
That is discussed at length in other threads. This thread is about the public perception of how Brexit is going. Do we know why they think that? I think Brexit is not going as well as I hoped and there are a multitude of reasons for that not least is beacsue obstacle after obstacle has been placed in the way of a smooth Brexit by the EU and many Remainers. Yes, we do have people in this country working with a foreign power to undermine our country. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 17:12:26 GMT
That is discussed at length in other threads. This thread is about the public perception of how Brexit is going. Do we know why they think that? I think Brexit is not going as well as I hoped and there are a multitude of reasons for that not least is beacsue obstacle after obstacle has been placed in the way of a smooth Brexit by the EU and many Remainers. Obstacle after obstacle has been placed by the EU and many Remainers -- like what obstacle, exactly?   All these Brexit implementation problems resulting in uncertainty and damage that we have had to deal with and have been dealing with are creations of the last three Brexit governments and their reinforcers. As an example, Remainers have nothing to do with the current problems with the Protocol. That was negotiated by Brexiteers; agreed, signed and then sold to the nation and the Parliament by Brexiteers. Isn't it the case? |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2022 18:31:16 GMT
Do we know why they think that? I think Brexit is not going as well as I hoped and there are a multitude of reasons for that not least is beacsue obstacle after obstacle has been placed in the way of a smooth Brexit by the EU and many Remainers. Obstacle after obstacle has been placed by the EU and many Remainers -- like what obstacle, exactly? All these Brexit implementation problems resulting in uncertainty and damage that we have had to deal with and have been dealing with are creations of the last three Brexit governments and their reinforcers. As an example, Remainers have nothing to do with the current problems with the Protocol. That was negotiated by Brexiteers; agreed, signed and then sold to the nation and the Parliament by Brexiteers. Isn't it the case? May tried to put in place a Brexit agreement that was a non Brexit agreement and we have been fighting for a proper one ever since. There is little doubt the protocol was an EU trap that Boris fell into as the problems with the Irish Border are every bit as much a problem for the EU as the UK. All these lessons we are learning as regards the type of people who say they only have our best interests at heart. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2022 19:51:01 GMT
Obstacle after obstacle has been placed by the EU and many Remainers -- like what obstacle, exactly? All these Brexit implementation problems resulting in uncertainty and damage that we have had to deal with and have been dealing with are creations of the last three Brexit governments and their reinforcers. As an example, Remainers have nothing to do with the current problems with the Protocol. That was negotiated by Brexiteers; agreed, signed and then sold to the nation and the Parliament by Brexiteers. Isn't it the case? May tried to put in place a Brexit agreement that was a non Brexit agreement and we have been fighting for a proper one ever since. There is little doubt the protocol was an EU trap that Boris fell into as the problems with the Irish Border are every bit as much a problem for the EU as the UK. All these lessons we are learning as regards the type of people who say they only have our best interests at heart. I believe that the reality is that those who argued for and who voted for Brexit had no idea of the problems involved in leaving the EU. Now that the problems are becoming clear the claim is the EU is making it difficult. It is as though they don't understand that both the EU and the UK have to defend their own interests. There was no obvious answer to the Irish border, I was one of those who pointed it out just about as soon as I heard the unexpected result of the referendum. At the time of the referendum those voting leave made leaving sound so simple, 'just leave and it will be blue skies and plain sailing'. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2022 23:16:47 GMT
I believe that the reality is that those who argued for and who voted for Brexit had no idea of the problems involved in leaving the EU. Now that the problems are becoming clear the claim is the EU is making it difficult. It is as though they don't understand that both the EU and the UK have to defend their own interests. There was no obvious answer to the Irish border, I was one of those who pointed it out just about as soon as I heard the unexpected result of the referendum. At the time of the referendum those voting leave made leaving sound so simple, 'just leave and it will be blue skies and plain sailing'. The Irish border is a joint problem for both to grapple with. The UK could just say no border, no controls as that is the GFA as far as I am aware and then what would the EU do? I think the problems involved were highlighted often enough by any Remain campaign, repeated ad infinitum after 2016 and still going strong. The problems are not insurmountable but for that then Remainers, and mostly they have power, have to agree to travel the same road. But they fight it all the way by placing every obstacle they can. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 12, 2022 7:10:56 GMT
I think the biggest obstacle that the EU created was to demand that the UK sign a "withdrawal agreement" before they would negotiate trade. And PM with any sense would have refused to accept that but Theresa May didn't even argue. It's obvious that trade should have been hegotiated in parallel. The NI protocol was also a deliberate and unnecessary obstacle.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 12, 2022 10:57:00 GMT
I think the biggest obstacle that the EU created was to demand that the UK sign a "withdrawal agreement" before they would negotiate trade. And PM with any sense would have refused to accept that but Theresa May didn't even argue. It's obvious that trade should have been hegotiated in parallel. The NI protocol was also a deliberate and unnecessary obstacle. You can't blame the EU for being better negotiators. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 12, 2022 11:21:15 GMT
It would be interesting to know which bit of Brexit has gone badly. Most of the things that people are complaining about are SFA to do with Brexit. For example the inflation is caused by a combination of energy prices (caused by war in Ukraine and the West prematurely trying to rely on renewables) and the QE that many nations resorted to to pay for the costs of the pandemic (furlough etc). Again it was nothing to do with Brexit - the EU printed vast amounts of money too and many EU countries had higher inflation than us. None of the Project Fear threats materialised. Remember all the hording of tinned food and toilet paper? It's all gone pretty well I'd say. And the farmers have started reinstating hedges and stopped chopping down trees - which membership of the CAP dictated. When we get round to repealing the more stupid of the EU laws we'll see more benefits. And of course when the Eurozone crashes (which is inevitable) we'll be very glad we left. The costs will huge. And November figures suggest we did rather well. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 12, 2022 11:26:19 GMT
Who would want anything to do with an organisation that has seen multiple premises raided by police to collect evidence of massive corruption between EU personnel and Quatar?
Eat your hearts out, Remnants.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 12, 2022 11:35:56 GMT
Who would want anything to do with an organisation that has seen multiple premises raided by police to collect evidence of massive corruption between EU personnel and Quatar? 65% of voters? |
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All these Brexit implementation problems resulting in uncertainty and damage that we have had to deal with and have been dealing with are creations of the last three Brexit governments and their reinforcers. 