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Post by jonksy on Nov 15, 2024 14:07:26 GMT
And apparently there are many hundreds of people in this situation. Essentially it's the state silencing people. And many people will become too frightened to speak. Well done Labour, the peoples party. Just for interest... A spokesman for the Free Speech Union was interviewed on GB News this morning. He said the police are currently investigating a quarter of a million people in this country for NCHI's (Non crime hate incident) the youngest is nine years old. Free speech in this country is being quietly silenced.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 15, 2024 14:20:44 GMT
As Oskar Reddrop says, the prime minister should make it perfectly clear that the police should not be wasting their time investigating so called NCHI's. But tbh, I think Oskar is being a little naive. Starmer obviously approves of police actions. I mean, he didn't get the name 'two tier Keir' for nothing.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 15, 2024 14:22:54 GMT
As Oskar Reddrop says, the prime minister should make it perfectly clear that the police should not be wasting their time investigating so called NCHI's. But tbh, I think Oskar is being a little naive. Starmer obviously approves of police actions. I mean, he didn't get the name 'two tier Keir' for nothing. Of course he does. The two faced lying arsehole...
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Post by Handyman on Nov 15, 2024 15:06:54 GMT
I am going to ruffle a few feathers with my opinion.
According to the media this alleged offence was first reported to another Police Force, they passed it onto Essex Police , they initially did not want or wish to investigate , but later changed their mind
Allegedly
The complainant said: “As a former public servant, I was concerned about the tweet that Pearson put out last year so much so that I reported it to the police … I have no political affiliation and will call out racism, antisemitism and Islamophobia when I see it.
“This is not a debate about free speech; this is about a journalist who tweeted something false during the height of the tensions in London following the 7 October atrocities.
The visit by officers to Pearson’s Essex home was captured on body-worn video. A source insisted police were polite and merely trying to arrange a proper interview, where Pearson could have a lawyer present and answer questions, in keeping with laws governing police interviews."
IMO the right way to do it, they were not there to arrest her nor question her, and quite rightly did not name the person who reported the alleged crime to her that would have been done at the Police Station when interviewed, a person who reports a crime to Police is quite rightly classed as a " Victim"
As for Police Officers trawling the internet 24/7 is IMO LOB, not enough of them to do their Job on the streets let alone sat in an Office , yes the Internet will be monitored probably by Qualified Civilian Staff how many Police Officers are adept or experts in using and interrogating Computers ? Not a lot IMO.
The Police are inundated with allegations of crimes on the Internet as it is they cannot deal with them all, as well as deal with actual Criminal Offences on the streets 24/7 Robberies Burglaries etc etc
When it comes to Police Stations the days when they were open 24/7 and manned 24/7 are gone the front desk may be open from 10am to 6pm during the week and a few hours at the weekend, if you went in to report something in the past you would speak to an Officer on the desk, today more than likely a Civilian.
If its an Emergency you ring 999 as usual your call will probably be handled by a Civilian, if you ring 101 to report a crime again probably a Civilian will log your complaint
Crime Desks at your local Police Station over 20 years ago when I was still serving would be manned mainly by Civilians with a Detective Sargent to delegate them to either Beat Crimes Officers to investigate for lower level of Crime, or the CID for more serious Crimes.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 15, 2024 18:42:47 GMT
Elon Musk brands 'the UK a police state' after care worker was jailed for livestreaming riots..... Elon Musk today branded the UK 'a police state' after a female care worker was jailed for livestreaming a group of masked men making racist comments in the aftermath of a riot. In his latest barbed comment directed at Britain, the tech billionaire lashed out over the sentencing of 23-year-old Cameron Bell. She was caged for nine months after admitting a charge of violent disorder, having joined a gang of hooded men and livestreaming them making racist comments on TikTok after a Southport-related riot in Tamworth in August. Reacting to Bell's jail term, Musk told his 207million followers on X - the platform formerly known as Twitter which he now owns: 'The UK has become a police state.' The post by the mogul - who President-elect Donald Trump announced would lead a new Department of Government Efficiency to 'dismantle' the $6.5 trillion bloated US bureaucracy - is the latest outburst by the 53-year-old targeting the UK. It comes amid a war of words between Musk and the Labour government, with the billionaire recently blasted for his 'deplorable' claim that civil war in the UK was 'inevitable' in a post commenting on the August riots sparked by the killing of three girls in Southport. Earlier this month the tech guru, who is the richest man in the world with more than $200billion, took another potshot, this time slamming Labour for its brutal inheritance tax hike..... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14087861/elon-musk-uk-police-state-x-post-care-worker-jailed-livestreaming-riots.html
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 15, 2024 18:57:11 GMT
Hang on she asked the police for the name of the person who accused her and expected them to give her the name We don't do 'anonymised' justice in Great Britain. If you are charged with a crime, you have the right to have your accuser make the accusations to your face. But there will be no court hearing. There is just an entry on a police national computer that you will never be allowed to see, or challenge I note you choose not to make a comment regarding the fact that the police refused to identify what it was that this mystery accuser objected to. Do you find THAT acceptable ? That the police are not required to tell you what it is that THEY think you have done to commit a non crime ? I fucking dont
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Post by sandypine on Nov 17, 2024 13:30:32 GMT
It all seems to stem from McPherson where some recommendations were
Definition of racist incident
12. That the definition should be: "A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person."
13. That the term "racist incident" must be understood to include crimes and non-crimes in policing terms. Both must be reported, recorded and investigated with equal commitment.
14. That this definition should be universally adopted by the police, local government and other relevant agencies.
One suspects that Mcpherson was briefed as regards what to find and what to recommend as the evidence for many of his conclusions seem singularly lacking in his report, most especially his 'institutional racism' finding.
Perhaps it is just me but I alwysy thought a police investigation was to determine in part if a crime had been committed and to find out who the perpetrator was. If in the first instance no crime has been committed then the incident should be left well alone. If it is recorded as a non-crime hate incident that just opens the door for gathering of material on individuals where no crime has been committed but incidents are recorded
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Post by Handyman on Nov 17, 2024 13:48:42 GMT
Hang on she asked the police for the name of the person who accused her and expected them to give her the name We don't do 'anonymised' justice in Great Britain. If you are charged with a crime, you have the right to have your accuser make the accusations to your face. But there will be no court hearing. There is just an entry on a police national computer that you will never be allowed to see, or challenge I note you choose not to make a comment regarding the fact that the police refused to identify what it was that this mystery accuser objected to. Do you find THAT acceptable ? That the police are not required to tell you what it is that THEY think you have done to commit a non crime ? I fucking dont If you are suspected of a crime you will be interviewed being told by Police what they have been told by an alleged victim and their identity if charged and suspected of committing that crime you will be face to face with the alleged victim in Court and not before, your defence will challenge them on your behalf who will have access to the victim or victims statements, if you represent yourself you can question them personally. You have no right to face your accuser before that and never have had that right In this case about a suspected Offence on Line, Essex Police at first refused to investigate the alleged offence but for some reason they changed their mind why I have no idea , do you know why with any degree of accuracy ? we could all guess and more than likely be wrong. The Journalist who is suspected of committing this alleged crime , was asked by Essex Police to attend the Police Station on a voluntary basis with a Legal Representative to be interviewed which is common practice, that would give her a chance to give her side of things, will she do that ? her decision to make, at this moment in time has chosen to go Public As for all alleged Crimes reported yes in this day and age they are reordered on the Police Data bases which is a huge database the recording of alleged criminal offences is only part of the system from minor to major Crimes in the old days in large hand written Legers for different offences, which were kept for years and years. Having them on Computers means very quick to retrieve should they need to especially if new evidence comes to light years later for serious offences, they never close such investigations unless a person has been caught and convicted at the time, even then not deleted archived
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 17, 2024 19:00:26 GMT
Handyman
I’m not sure it’s entirely accurate to say that Essex Police refused to investigate. I think it’s worth remembering that it had firstly been marked as potentially a Non Crime Hate Incident and as a potential breach of the Malicious Communications Act by the Sussex Police, so perhaps they were the first who couldn’t make up their minds. So it was one or other, or neither before it was passed on to Essex. The Essex force made two ‘assessments’ of the case before they finally came to their decision to open an investigation. Did they ‘change’ their mind, or just take a good while making up their mind ?
Handyman
Will she do that ? ….indications are that she will. To quote what she said to GB News on the 13th November: ‘The Free Speech Union, which is a brilliant organisation, is helping me, they are giving me a solicitor so that if I have to go into the Police Station to have a voluntary interview I will go in and maybe then we will find out what I am accused of’
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Post by sandypine on Nov 17, 2024 19:04:00 GMT
We don't do 'anonymised' justice in Great Britain. If you are charged with a crime, you have the right to have your accuser make the accusations to your face. But there will be no court hearing. There is just an entry on a police national computer that you will never be allowed to see, or challenge I note you choose not to make a comment regarding the fact that the police refused to identify what it was that this mystery accuser objected to. Do you find THAT acceptable ? That the police are not required to tell you what it is that THEY think you have done to commit a non crime ? I fucking dont If you are suspected of a crime you will be interviewed being told by Police what they have been told by an alleged victim and their identity if charged and suspected of committing that crime you will be face to face with the alleged victim in Court and not before, your defence will challenge them on your behalf who will have access to the victim or victims statements, if you represent yourself you can question them personally. You have no right to face your accuser before that and never have had that right In this case about a suspected Offence on Line, Essex Police at first refused to investigate the alleged offence but for some reason they changed their mind why I have no idea , do you know why with any degree of accuracy ? we could all guess and more than likely be wrong. The Journalist who is suspected of committing this alleged crime , was asked by Essex Police to attend the Police Station on a voluntary basis with a Legal Representative to be interviewed which is common practice, that would give her a chance to give her side of things, will she do that ? her decision to make, at this moment in time has chosen to go Public As for all alleged Crimes reported yes in this day and age they are reordered on the Police Data bases which is a huge database the recording of alleged criminal offences is only part of the system from minor to major Crimes in the old days in large hand written Legers for different offences, which were kept for years and years. Having them on Computers means very quick to retrieve should they need to especially if new evidence comes to light years later for serious offences, they never close such investigations unless a person has been caught and convicted at the time, even then not deleted archived If it is a non-crime then there will be no day in court, does the accuser always remain anonymous in that instance. Which seems unjust.
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 17, 2024 19:04:16 GMT
It's worth pointing out The Stasi insist they never used the phrase Non Crime Hate Incident, and insist they have bodycam footage to that effect.
Well they would.....
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 17, 2024 22:44:58 GMT
It's worth pointing out The Stasi insist they never used the phrase Non Crime Hate Incident, and insist they have bodycam footage to that effect. Well they would..... My interpretation was that 'The Stasi' were probably disputing the context in which Pearson claimed the words had been said to her. And I could accept that she might have got the wrong end of the stick on that as she was stood in her dressing gown at 9.40am, still shocked at having a couple of Coppers in her kitchen when she wanted to get ready to attend the Memorial Service that morning. However a categorical denial by the Police of even using the words certainly ups the ante, and a professional journalist shouldn't get things wrong to that extent. One or other will emerge with egg on their face if this 'The words never passed our lips' accusation is evidently true or evidently false.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 18, 2024 8:50:23 GMT
If you are suspected of a crime you will be interviewed being told by Police what they have been told by an alleged victim and their identity if charged and suspected of committing that crime you will be face to face with the alleged victim in Court and not before, your defence will challenge them on your behalf who will have access to the victim or victims statements, if you represent yourself you can question them personally. You have no right to face your accuser before that and never have had that right In this case about a suspected Offence on Line, Essex Police at first refused to investigate the alleged offence but for some reason they changed their mind why I have no idea , do you know why with any degree of accuracy ? we could all guess and more than likely be wrong. The Journalist who is suspected of committing this alleged crime , was asked by Essex Police to attend the Police Station on a voluntary basis with a Legal Representative to be interviewed which is common practice, that would give her a chance to give her side of things, will she do that ? her decision to make, at this moment in time has chosen to go Public As for all alleged Crimes reported yes in this day and age they are reordered on the Police Data bases which is a huge database the recording of alleged criminal offences is only part of the system from minor to major Crimes in the old days in large hand written Legers for different offences, which were kept for years and years. Having them on Computers means very quick to retrieve should they need to especially if new evidence comes to light years later for serious offences, they never close such investigations unless a person has been caught and convicted at the time, even then not deleted archived If it is a non-crime then there will be no day in court, does the accuser always remain anonymous in that instance. Which seems unjust. Of course not if no prosecution is brought once the investigation is completed the strength of the evidence is not strong enough to put before a Court that happens every day with normal run of the mill allegations of assaults, thefts etc the CPS decides what happens, after statements from the alleged victim and if any witnesses if they agree have been taken The alleged assailant will more than likely be arrested and interviewed under Caution , Mr Joe Blogs alleges you hit him what have you to say about it , did you and why, or possibly in some circumstances invite you in for an interview not under arrest to hear the alleged assailants side of what happened With these alleged No Crimes on line nonsense I retired from the Police over 20 years ago never dealt with them thankfully, but as I understand in the case of the Journalist she was asked to come in to be interviewed by arranged appointment , had she done so IMO she would have been told who had complained about the contents and why, but she decided to go public instead as did the complainant. IMO much of this nonsense is wasting Police time who probably are fed up with it, time the Government did something about this to stop all this woke crap
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 19, 2024 8:48:08 GMT
Have a read of this posters. This is the reality of two tier Keir's so called justice system. My visit from police on Remembrance Sunday is living proof of our two-tier justice system9.40am: All my things were laid out ready for Remembrance Sunday. Black dress, black opaque tights, coat, a new poppy to go with the vintage enamel one that glints in my jewellery box awaiting its annual outing. I was still not dressed when Himself called up to say that there were police at the door for me. I did vaguely wonder what on earth they were doing here – something to do with our road being closed for the parade? But I went downstairs to greet them at the door and apologised to the two young constables standing outside for still being in my dressing gown. I wasn’t sorry for long. PC S, the one on the left, who did all the talking, told me that they were here to inform me that I had been accused of a non-crime hate incident (NCHI). It was to do with something I had posted on X (formerly Twitter) a year ago. A YEAR ago? Yes. Stirring up racial hatred, apparently. WHAT? I stood there in my slippered feet trying to take in what the police officer had said; our market town was filled with the sounds of preparation for the forthcoming parade – a distant drummer, the metallic clang of barriers going up. Life going on as normal, but this wasn’t normal; it was far from normal. “What did this post I wrote that offended someone say?” I asked. The constable said he wasn’t allowed to tell me that. “So what’s the name of the person who made the complaint against me?” He wasn’t allowed to tell me that either, he said. “You can’t give me my accuser’s name?” “It’s not ‘the accuser’,” the PC said, looking down at his notes. “They’re called ‘the victim’.” Ah, right. “OK, you’re here to accuse me of causing offence but I’m not allowed to know what it is. Nor can I be told whom I’m being accused by? How am I supposed to defend myself, then?” www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/12/my-visit-from-police-is-proof-of-two-tier-justice-system/So to recap; Anyone can accuse you of anything they like. You are not allowed to know what you're accused of, and you're not allowed to know who accused you. I kid you not, Starmers Britain feels more like 1960's East Berlin every day. Well of course we only have her version of events and she is a journo.
But assuming things happened as described, the correct course of action would've have been to say: "Good day, officers" and shut the door.
The police have no powers to deal with things that aren't crimes. They are asking for your cooperation (whether the officers themselves realise that or not) and you are under no obligation to provide it.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 19, 2024 8:50:36 GMT
Just for interest; The woman in the OP, Alison Pearson, who is being investigated for a hate crime but not allowed to know what the crime is, will be on GB News this evening at 8pm. 7pm. PS; Alison Pearson is a journalist for the Daily Telegraph. What a stupid target for the police. Hate crime or hate "Incident"? They are very different things.
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