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Post by see2 on Dec 24, 2022 9:01:18 GMT
You are back into your extremist mode lying about me because you have no logical comments to make. You accuse me of lying about you when you in the same breath blatantly lie about me by falsely labelling me an extremist. Again. I think you see extremists everywhere. There are probably a few under your bed. And to think that my supposedly extremist views were once mainstream thinking in your own party. Are you really saying that Labour used to be an extremist party? Extremists don't think they are extremists, I'm sure no one from Thatcher to Genghis Kahn thought of themselves as extremists. So you are not best place to recognise whether you are an extremist or not. Even so that point was dropped some posts ago and replaced, for your benefit, by the term "less moderate". Most of Old Labour's work has already been done by Clem Attlee. People are nowhere near living in the same atrocious conditions as when the Labour movement first formed its ideas back in the late 1800s. Just as our living conditions have moved on since then it is time to move on from Old Labour. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2022 9:05:49 GMT
Can we put this tedious back and forth to bed and move on. For the record srb7677 is not an extremist, he is a Socialist. Which at one time was the most popular political position in the UK. With regards to the subject of the thread Reform are falling back - seems that Sunak is working his magic. Reform can only damage the Tories under our current voting system. That is where it will steal most of its votes from. But it cannot credibly hope to win any seats itself. All it might do is reduce the Tory vote in a way that costs the Tories many seats. By threatening to do this it is clearly hoping to drag the Tories to the right to head them off. But the problem the Tories have is that any such lurch to the right runs the risk of driving many more moderate and also former Labour voters into the arms of Starmer. Truss kind of proved the electoral dangers of such a lurch to the right in spades. This puts the Tories in a bit of a bind. Any lurch to the right to head off Reform risks losing many more moderate voters. Whilst keeping the latter on board risks losing more right wing ones to Reform. It is almost as if the Establishment has decided that now that the Labour party is in unthreatening establishmentarian hands, everything is being lined up for a Labour victory. Nothing would strengthen the establishmentarian centrists against an anti-thatcherite left more than this. A Labour victory now would be a blow to the left at least as much as to the Tories, and I suspect that the Establishment and the deep state know it. A Labour victory now would cement the thatcherite consensus in place in the same way that Blair did, with attempts to just make it a little bit nicer the best that can be hoped for. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2022 9:08:50 GMT
Can we put this tedious back and forth to bed and move on. For the record srb7677 is not an extremist, he is a Socialist. Which at one time was the most popular political position in the UK. It was the most popular in 1930s Germany and in the Soviet Union too.
So not extreme at all, oh no.  The Nazis were not democratic socialists or indeed socialists at all in anything but name. They put democratic socialists like me in concentration camps. And the communists were not democratic socialists either. To liken democratic socialism to either is utterly risible but typical of your one liner nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2022 9:10:37 GMT
You accuse me of lying about you when you in the same breath blatantly lie about me by falsely labelling me an extremist. Again. I think you see extremists everywhere. There are probably a few under your bed. And to think that my supposedly extremist views were once mainstream thinking in your own party. Are you really saying that Labour used to be an extremist party? Extremists don't think they are extremists, I'm sure no one from Thatcher to Genghis Kahn thought of themselves as extremists. So you are not best place to recognise whether you are an extremist or not. Even so that point was dropped some posts ago and replaced, for your benefit, by the term "less moderate". Most of Old Labour's work has already been done by Clem Attlee. People are nowhere near living in the same atrocious conditions as when the Labour movement first formed its ideas back in the late 1800s. Just as our living conditions have moved on since then it is time to move on from Old Labour. You seem to think everyone but you and those who agree with you are extremists, lol Again, do you think that the Labour party used to be an extremist party? Yes or no will suffice. Or are you merely attempting to redefine what extremism is to suit your agenda and to establish a false narrative? Everyone here with the laughable exception of the Squeezed Pimple knows I am not an extremist. Except you with your persistent lie to that effect. You have no political integrity or understanding if you don't even know what is, and is not, an extremist. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 24, 2022 9:19:16 GMT
Can we put this tedious back and forth to bed and move on. For the record srb7677 is not an extremist, he is a Socialist. Which at one time was the most popular political position in the UK. With regards to the subject of the thread Reform are falling back - seems that Sunak is working his magic. I'm not particularly interested in your opinion on srb7677, IMO a Socialist, unlike being social minded, in a capitalist country is out of place. It is someone who is not just intent on improving conditions, it is someone who wants to introduce serious changes in the economy and to the country. Who like Truss is likely to be Ignoring 'unintended consequences'. I don't think your friend Thatcher would agree with you. Otherwise no problem. (You might consider putting your tedious, sometimes inappropriate attacks on the left and on the NHS to bed). It wasn't difficult for Sunak to improve on what went before him. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 24, 2022 9:33:44 GMT
Can we put this tedious back and forth to bed and move on. For the record srb7677 is not an extremist, he is a Socialist. Which at one time was the most popular political position in the UK. With regards to the subject of the thread Reform are falling back - seems that Sunak is working his magic. I'm not particularly interested in your opinion on srb7677, IMO a Socialist, unlike being social minded, in a capitalist country is out of place. It is someone who is not just intent on improving conditions, it is someone who wants to introduce serious changes in the economy and to the country. Who like Truss is likely to be Ignoring 'unintended consequences'. I don't think your friend Thatcher would agree with you. Otherwise no problem. (You might consider putting your tedious, sometimes inappropriate attacks on the left and on the NHS to bed). It wasn't difficult for Sunak to improve on what went before him. You tell him, after all you are superior to everyone and have the magic fairy dust. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 24, 2022 10:50:01 GMT
Can we put this tedious back and forth to bed and move on. For the record srb7677 is not an extremist, he is a Socialist. Which at one time was the most popular political position in the UK. With regards to the subject of the thread Reform are falling back - seems that Sunak is working his magic. Reform can only damage the Tories under our current voting system. That is where it will steal most of its votes from. But it cannot credibly hope to win any seats itself. All it might do is reduce the Tory vote in a way that costs the Tories many seats. By threatening to do this it is clearly hoping to drag the Tories to the right to head them off. But the problem the Tories have is that any such lurch to the right runs the risk of driving many more moderate and also former Labour voters into the arms of Starmer. Truss kind of proved the electoral dangers of such a lurch to the right in spades. This puts the Tories in a bit of a bind. Any lurch to the right to head off Reform risks losing many more moderate voters. Whilst keeping the latter on board risks losing more right wing ones to Reform. It is almost as if the Establishment has decided that now that the Labour party is in unthreatening establishmentarian hands, everything is being lined up for a Labour victory. Nothing would strengthen the establishmentarian centrists against an anti-thatcherite left more than this. A Labour victory now would be a blow to the left at least as much as to the Tories, and I suspect that the Establishment and the deep state know it. A Labour victory now would cement the thatcherite consensus in place in the same way that Blair did, with attempts to just make it a little bit nicer the best that can be hoped for. Based on recent polls if every Tory changed support to Reform UK it still wouldn't be enough to win a worthwhile number of seats and Reform would need to find a few million Labour supporters as did the Brexit Party. The idea that Reform is any more than a centre right party is bunkum and many of its supporters are from the left. Don't be surprised if Reform takes in even more Labour supporters over the next couple of years. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 24, 2022 11:06:42 GMT
Can we put this tedious back and forth to bed and move on. For the record srb7677 is not an extremist, he is a Socialist. Which at one time was the most popular political position in the UK. It was the most popular in 1930s Germany and in the Soviet Union too.
So not extreme at all, oh no. Nah. Then you do not know your right from your left. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq5U_QkwVYg&ab_channel=HitlerRantsParodies |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 24, 2022 11:39:07 GMT
It is almost as if the Establishment has decided that now that the Labour party is in unthreatening establishmentarian hands, everything is being lined up for a Labour victory. Nothing would strengthen the establishmentarian centrists against an anti-thatcherite left more than this. A Labour victory now would be a blow to the left at least as much as to the Tories, and I suspect that the Establishment and the deep state know it. A Labour victory now would cement the thatcherite consensus in place in the same way that Blair did, with attempts to just make it a little bit nicer the best that can be hoped for. I tend to agree with this - when it comes to policy the difference between a Starmer Labour Party and a Sunak Tory Party is infinitesimally small, on the major calls they all agree on the same thing. To get any alternative views then we would need a change in the voting system, whether a Labour Party that has just won a landslide will entertain that I'm not sure. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 24, 2022 11:41:02 GMT
Can we put this tedious back and forth to bed and move on. For the record srb7677 is not an extremist, he is a Socialist. Which at one time was the most popular political position in the UK. With regards to the subject of the thread Reform are falling back - seems that Sunak is working his magic. I'm not particularly interested in your opinion on srb7677, IMO a Socialist, unlike being social minded, in a capitalist country is out of place. It is someone who is not just intent on improving conditions, it is someone who wants to introduce serious changes in the economy and to the country. Who like Truss is likely to be Ignoring 'unintended consequences'. I don't think your friend Thatcher would agree with you. Otherwise no problem. (You might consider putting your tedious, sometimes inappropriate attacks on the left and on the NHS to bed). It wasn't difficult for Sunak to improve on what went before him. The NHS and Welfare State in this country were created by Socialists to overwhelming support from the people - the idea that Socialism was an extreme view simply falls flat on its face when confronted by history. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 24, 2022 12:39:28 GMT
Can we put this tedious back and forth to bed and move on. For the record srb7677 is not an extremist, he is a Socialist. Which at one time was the most popular political position in the UK. With regards to the subject of the thread Reform are falling back - seems that Sunak is working his magic. srb knows exactly what Blairites are about, they believe their own bollox and expect to spread it through what they think is a superior position, which srb ain't having any of it. You do not have to prove you have no idea about what NL stood for or did, you know very little about anything which is why you post so many nonsense posts. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 24, 2022 12:45:56 GMT
It is almost as if the Establishment has decided that now that the Labour party is in unthreatening establishmentarian hands, everything is being lined up for a Labour victory. Nothing would strengthen the establishmentarian centrists against an anti-thatcherite left more than this. A Labour victory now would be a blow to the left at least as much as to the Tories, and I suspect that the Establishment and the deep state know it. A Labour victory now would cement the thatcherite consensus in place in the same way that Blair did, with attempts to just make it a little bit nicer the best that can be hoped for. I tend to agree with this - when it comes to policy the difference between a Starmer Labour Party and a Sunak Tory Party is infinitesimally small, on the major calls they all agree on the same thing. To get any alternative views then we would need a change in the voting system, whether a Labour Party that has just won a landslide will entertain that I'm not sure. I would like to know who runs this "centrist" party you tend to agree with. And what part of the nonsense post (which I thought you had called for an end of) you replied to that you tended to agree with. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 24, 2022 12:59:27 GMT
I'm not particularly interested in your opinion on srb7677, IMO a Socialist, unlike being social minded, in a capitalist country is out of place. It is someone who is not just intent on improving conditions, it is someone who wants to introduce serious changes in the economy and to the country. Who like Truss is likely to be Ignoring 'unintended consequences'. I don't think your friend Thatcher would agree with you. Otherwise no problem. (You might consider putting your tedious, sometimes inappropriate attacks on the left and on the NHS to bed). It wasn't difficult for Sunak to improve on what went before him. The NHS and Welfare State in this country were created by Socialists to overwhelming support from the people - the idea that Socialism was an extreme view simply falls flat on its face when confronted by history. F'n'ell. Pre-WWII conditions which set the need for 1948 are almost light years away from the conditions of today, so why do you post such nonsense? A point I have already clearly explained to the other idiot. As is the difference between the late 18th century when Labour ideas took root and when a dose of Socialism was really needed, and which arrived with the Socialist Clem Attlee. Believe it or not everything has changed since WWII with the exception of Corbyn style Old Labour supporters. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 24, 2022 13:30:50 GMT
It was the most popular in 1930s Germany and in the Soviet Union too.
So not extreme at all, oh no. The Nazis were not democratic socialists or indeed socialists at all in anything but name. They put democratic socialists like me in concentration camps. And the communists were not democratic socialists either. To liken democratic socialism to either is utterly risible but typical of your one liner nonsense.
Sticking another label on yourself doesn't alter what you are, Shrieky.
Even your avatar looks like Hitler! It's positively Freudian.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 24, 2022 14:48:32 GMT
The Nazis were not democratic socialists or indeed socialists at all in anything but name. They put democratic socialists like me in concentration camps. And the communists were not democratic socialists either. To liken democratic socialism to either is utterly risible but typical of your one liner nonsense.
Sticking another label on yourself doesn't alter what you are, Shrieky.
Even your avatar looks like Hitler! It's positively Freudian.
Well your avatar looks like an idiot. |
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