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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 5, 2024 12:10:06 GMT
Members may recall the epic chinwag on the old forum following the BBC’s Black Nurses – The Women who Saved the NHS. The thesis under review at that time held that the NHS would have collapsed had not these gallant ladies from the Caribbean arrived in the nick of in time to save it. Complete bollocks, of course. Well, they’re at it again. Not the BBC this time, but Channel 4. The historical revisionists this time are not Afro-Cabs but subcontinentals, also equally at pains to big up their own historical ‘contributions’ in the cause of ‘belonging, harmony and cohesion’, as well as security of tenure. The subject this time is the Indian Army in WWII and its role in saving Britain from fascism. The narrator is a Punjabi Muslim from Huddersfield, a Mobeen Azhar, who enlists various second-string would-be academic historians in trying to show that if not for the 2.5 million strong Indian Army, Hitler would have prevailed and we’d all be singing Deutschland Über Alles not God Save the King. I’ll leave it there for now and return with further remarks later. I’ll just post the C4 link where it is free to view:
www.channel4.com/programmes/the-soldiers-that-saved-britain |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 5, 2024 12:16:18 GMT
The only way for me the Indians significantly helped the Brits was in Asia against the Japs.
The rest is likely propaganda.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 5, 2024 12:20:33 GMT
Members may recall the epic chinwag on the old forum following the BBC’s Black Nurses – The Women who Saved the NHS. The thesis under review at that time held that the NHS would have collapsed had not these gallant ladies from the Caribbean arrived in the nick of in time to save it. Complete bollocks, of course. Well, they’re at it again. Not the BBC this time, but Channel 4. The historical revisionists this time are not Afro-Cabs but subcontinentals, also equally at pains to big up their own historical ‘contributions’ in the cause of ‘belonging, harmony and cohesion’, as well as security of tenure. The subject this time is the Indian Army in WWII and its role in saving Britain from fascism. The narrator is a Punjabi Muslim from Huddersfield, a Mobeen Azhar, who enlists various second-string would-be academic historians in trying to show that if not for the 2.5 million strong Indian Army, Hitler would have prevailed and we’d all be singing Deutschland Über Alles not God Save the King. I’ll leave it there for now and return with further remarks later. I’ll just post the C4 link where it is free to view:
www.channel4.com/programmes/the-soldiers-that-saved-britainIf we had not prevailed, Mr H would likely have found himself out of power a few years later on. I don't get the impression his team were particularly good at managing the country. Churchill was thrown out and he was supposed to have been a hero. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 5, 2024 13:07:51 GMT
Members may recall the epic chinwag on the old forum following the BBC’s Black Nurses – The Women who Saved the NHS. The thesis under review at that time held that the NHS would have collapsed had not these gallant ladies from the Caribbean arrived in the nick of in time to save it. Complete bollocks, of course. Well, they’re at it again. Not the BBC this time, but Channel 4. The historical revisionists this time are not Afro-Cabs but subcontinentals, also equally at pains to big up their own historical ‘contributions’ in the cause of ‘belonging, harmony and cohesion’, as well as security of tenure. The subject this time is the Indian Army in WWII and its role in saving Britain from fascism. The narrator is a Punjabi Muslim from Huddersfield, a Mobeen Azhar, who enlists various second-string would-be academic historians in trying to show that if not for the 2.5 million strong Indian Army, Hitler would have prevailed and we’d all be singing Deutschland Über Alles not God Save the King. I’ll leave it there for now and return with further remarks later. I’ll just post the C4 link where it is free to view:
www.channel4.com/programmes/the-soldiers-that-saved-britainIf it was not for the British Army and the British organised Indian army then India, at least in part, would have fallen to the Japanese. Then Indians would have known how brutal an Imperial Colonialist power could be. Revising history seems like an ongoing process. By all means history should be open to reinterpretation but sometimes, no often, one gets the impression that the revisionism is political as opposed to honestly held conclusions on research. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 5, 2024 13:13:56 GMT
Every soldier from what is now the Commonwealth did their bit. But Aussies, New Zealanders, Canadians and of course Brits are not diversity enough to remember...  |
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Post by Orac on Nov 5, 2024 14:32:59 GMT
The only way for me the Indians significantly helped the Brits was in Asia against the Japs. The rest is likely propaganda. Or you could put it the other way around - ie the Brits help the Indians repel a Japanese invasion. |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 5, 2024 14:44:34 GMT
well seeing the war was won by the Russians it dosent matter
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Post by om15 on Nov 5, 2024 14:52:50 GMT
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Post by ginnyg2 on Nov 5, 2024 14:53:18 GMT
well seeing the war was won by the Russians it dosent matter Funny, I thought it was the Allies. Maybe you're talking about a different war. |
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 5, 2024 15:30:01 GMT
Well good on the Indians for repaying their debt to us . Without the Empire they would still be riding around on Elephants
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 5, 2024 15:40:16 GMT
well seeing the war was won by the Russians it dosent matter Funny, I thought it was the Allies. Maybe you're talking about a different war. oh no definitely the 2nd |
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 5, 2024 16:09:07 GMT
well seeing the war was won by the Russians it dosent matter Funny, I thought it was the Allies. Maybe you're talking about a different war. Stalin wasn't keen on the pact, even though it played a key role in pushing Germany further into war, and seemed to distrust the west even moreso than Hitler, which is why the pact was agreed upon. Germany wasn't keen on moving in on the USSR, and I think it was a case of do nothing and focus attention further west, whilst knowing the USSR would move in on him, or take the fight to the USSR. Who know what would have happened if he had chosen the former.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 5, 2024 16:18:04 GMT
Funny, I thought it was the Allies. Maybe you're talking about a different war. Stalin wasn't keen on the pact, even though it played a key role in pushing Germany further into war, and seemed to distrust the west even moreso than Hitler, which is why the pact was agreed upon. Germany wasn't keen on moving in on the USSR, and I think it was a case of do nothing and focus attention further west, whilst knowing the USSR would move in on him, or take the fight to the USSR. Who know what would have happened if he had chosen the former.
Stalin had wiped out most of his high ranking officers prior WW2 and only had rubbish to replace them with. That's why Russian losses were so high... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 5, 2024 16:27:17 GMT
Let's get back on topic.
Here's something to ponder on.
Mobeen complains that he was never taught about the British Indian Army and its role in WWII while at school in Huddersfield. He's probably right about that. He also gets quite agitated that Christopher Nolan didn't depict any Indian soldiers in his recent epic about Dunkirk. Is he right? Were any Indian troops involved in the evacuation from Dunkirk?
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 5, 2024 16:47:50 GMT
quick google search
The Indian Army was involved in the evacuation of Dunkirk in May 1940 in several ways:
Force K6: A support unit of 300 Muslim soldiers from the Punjab, led by Major Mohammed Akbar Khan, who were part of the British Indian Army. They were not frontline soldiers, but were trained to fight and did fight in the Battle of France. Most of Force K6 was evacuated from Dunkirk, but one company was captured.
25th Animal Transport Company: A group of Indian soldiers who traveled 7,000 miles with their mules to help the British army. They were Muslim, wore khaki, tin helmets, caps, and pagris (turbans), and carried no weapons. The British army needed mules to replace motorized vehicles to carry supplies.
Mules: India provided more than 2,500 mules to the war effort.
Why the lack of Indian and African faces in Dunkirk matters ...
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