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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2024 9:14:32 GMT
Have they given up?
Is reforming the EU as easy as herding cats?
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Post by blueorange on Oct 26, 2024 9:28:15 GMT
Do you have any ideas where it needs to be reformed?
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2024 10:07:46 GMT
Do you have any ideas where it needs to be reformed? For starters the only people allowed to propose EU policies, are the Commission, and they're not elected. If the EU has to be a policy making organisation, put policy proposal in the hands of MEPs. Replace the Commission with an elected body. |
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Post by blueorange on Oct 26, 2024 10:19:46 GMT
I agree by the time they tick all of the boxes in term of sex, equality, skin colour….. it will make it totally inadequate.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2024 14:06:49 GMT
For starters the only people allowed to propose EU policies, are the Commission, and they're not elected. If the EU has to be a policy making organisation, put policy proposal in the hands of MEPs. Replace the Commission with an elected body. I agree, but it's not going to happen. The EU are very aware that the so called parliament is little more than a facade designed to give the outward impression of democracy, whoever heard of a parliament that had no power to propose legislation? It's ridiculous. True accountability, electoral scrutiny and democracy could be the end of the EU, and the all powerful unelected commission know it. They are not going to give up power, and behind the scenes there are plenty of powerful people who support the status quo. As long as the all powerful unelected commission remain unsullied by electoral accountability, then the EU is safe. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 27, 2024 19:06:52 GMT
The one thing that could have made me vote to stay in, is if they'd reformed it and got rid of the unelected Commission.
If they'd created elected Commissioners it would have been a start.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 28, 2024 7:55:03 GMT
Do you have any ideas where it needs to be reformed? I think a couple of well targeted russian and north Korean MIRVs would Gona long way to solving the problem Given that Belgium ran for literally years without actually having a government, flattening Brussels to remove the EU parliament would barely be noticed by the country |
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Post by Paulus de B on Oct 28, 2024 13:55:38 GMT
The one thing that could have made me vote to stay in, is if they'd reformed it and got rid of the unelected Commission. If they'd created elected Commissioners it would have been a start. The Great Leave Lie (Boris's bus) was balanced by the Great Remain Lie (remain and reform). I still think that if the people who believed either of the Great Lies had stayed at home, Leave would have won more convincingly. The meaning of "Reform" - in this context - was never clarified. We were certainly meant to believe that it meant change in the direction of less centralisation, a reduction in the power of the European Commission ( and the Council, and the "Parliament"). It was never going to happen, and nor should it have done. The EU was doing what it was set up to do, moving in the direction in which it was set up to move. Britain had no more right to impose its will on the other 27 members than vice versa. To anyone who thought such reform was essential, Leave was the only consistent choice.
People who also thought of themselves as EU reformists were glad to see the back of Britain, which had been a block on progress in the direction that they wanted to move in.
Reform isn't going as fast as they would perhaps wish, but it is moving in the required direction. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 28, 2024 14:08:16 GMT
The one thing that could have made me vote to stay in, is if they'd reformed it and got rid of the unelected Commission. If they'd created elected Commissioners it would have been a start. The Great Leave Lie (Boris's bus) was balanced by the Great Remain Lie (remain and reform). I still think that if the people who believed either of the Great Lies had stayed at home, Leave would have won more convincingly. The meaning of "Reform" - in this context - was never clarified. We were certainly meant to believe that it meant change in the direction of less centralisation, a reduction in the power of the European Commission ( and the Council, and the "Parliament"). It was never going to happen, and nor should it have done. The EU was doing what it was set up to do, moving in the direction in which it was set up to move. Britain had no more right to impose its will on the other 27 members than vice versa. To anyone who thought such reform was essential, Leave was the only consistent choice.
People who also thought of themselves as EU reformists were glad to see the back of Britain, which had been a block on progress in the direction that they wanted to move in.
Reform isn't going as fast as they would perhaps wish, but it is moving in the required direction.Yep down the shitter.... |
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Post by piglet on Oct 30, 2024 11:07:05 GMT
See the thread free movement.
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Post by wassock on Oct 30, 2024 20:07:28 GMT
Have they given up? Is reforming the EU as easy as herding cats? One thing is certain, the EU will never give up until they have sovereignty of all member states. It's their goal. |
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