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Post by Bentley on Nov 19, 2024 0:20:20 GMT
Starmer has Marxist roots . Imo he would be far more comfortable with XI than Trump or von der Leyen. Interesting times . If Xi offers to build the infrastructure for UK net zero can you see Starmer turning that down ? Indeed, and as this is going on, von der Leyen is kicking up fresh shit, telling the EU that it is cheaper to import LNG from the US than it is to get it from Russia. This is against the fact the US was charging 4x the price. Thank god we are out of it. President Xi also probably has a fondness towards Lammy for saying Trump is a Nazi. That’s something I never thought about . ^
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2024 8:34:17 GMT
That's very specific. What specifically are you referring to. You referred to tyre regulations and I am pointing out that any tyre regulation is to enhance safety, the EV legislation is not to deal with road safety but has a negative effect on it which is contrary to all legislation that deals with motor vehicles and their interaction with the public. But it is. EV's reduce emissions making the world safer. Its a stupid argument in the first place, so many other factors 1, Where the wear effects humans 2, How many humans are effected 3, How much extra wear an EV causes 4, That extra wear times the minute number effected by this. Its just the last few things left to hold against EV's as all the big ones disappear. Range anxiety, History Charging stations, Thousands of them now. Cost, Outweighed by running cost savings Carbon footprint, Proven to be less over the vehicle life. Mining slavery, Lithium comes from Australia in the main Now we're down to tyre wear. Lol.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 19, 2024 12:22:05 GMT
You referred to tyre regulations and I am pointing out that any tyre regulation is to enhance safety, the EV legislation is not to deal with road safety but has a negative effect on it which is contrary to all legislation that deals with motor vehicles and their interaction with the public. But it is. EV's reduce emissions making the world safer. Its a stupid argument in the first place, so many other factors 1, Where the wear effects humans 2, How many humans are effected 3, How much extra wear an EV causes 4, That extra wear times the minute number effected by this. Its just the last few things left to hold against EV's as all the big ones disappear. Range anxiety, History Charging stations, Thousands of them now. Cost, Outweighed by running cost savings Carbon footprint, Proven to be less over the vehicle life. Mining slavery, Lithium comes from Australia in the main Now we're down to tyre wear. Lol. No I am still working on the principles I laid down earlier, I was trying to simplify it and refer to your post at the same time. I will try again. The optimum efficient speed of most cars is between 40 to 60 mph. We drop that speed dramatically in built up areas near schools etc in order to save lives. So saving the planet takes second place to protecting lives. We live with greater emissions because if we do not then the problems of greater emissions will take priority over the safety of individuals in these built up areas. That is true for all features of legislation that work on road transport saving lives in the here and now takes precedence over saving the planet. The push to use electric cars is the first legislation as regards transport that actually increases the risk to people in the here and now in order to save the planet at some later date down the line
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 19, 2024 13:09:58 GMT
You referred to tyre regulations and I am pointing out that any tyre regulation is to enhance safety, the EV legislation is not to deal with road safety but has a negative effect on it which is contrary to all legislation that deals with motor vehicles and their interaction with the public. But it is. EV's reduce emissions making the world safer. Its a stupid argument in the first place, so many other factors 1, Where the wear effects humans 2, How many humans are effected 3, How much extra wear an EV causes 4, That extra wear times the minute number effected by this. Its just the last few things left to hold against EV's as all the big ones disappear. Range anxiety, History Charging stations, Thousands of them now. Cost, Outweighed by running cost savings Carbon footprint, Proven to be less over the vehicle life. Mining slavery, Lithium comes from Australia in the main Now we're down to tyre wear. Lol. I hate to break it to these people, but in the future, in many countries there won't be tyre wear as there won't be roads to wear them. It's all down to one number really, which is Wh/kg. Solid state batteries due in a couple of years will deliver 500. I would guess in the medium term that can be at least doubled, and at that point there would really be no reason to have roads. Flying cars will be cheaper than their competitors on the roads. If you build a car, an EV eliminates all the complicated ICE engineering. If you eliminate the wheels you are effectively replacing them with much cheaper blades, but what you do not need is the suspension system and drive chain. You have even less in terms of moving parts to wear out and go wrong. The only reason they are $200k now is they are very low production and cost a lot in research. What we need to look at though is the marginal cost of production in a mass market. We pay a premium for aircraft grade parts now, but in fact if they were mass produced they would be more reliable, as they would get far more testing and refinement, just as a Ford Mondeo is far more reliable than a Ferrari.
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Post by besoeker3 on Nov 19, 2024 15:32:52 GMT
Flying cars will be cheaper than their competitors on the roads. If you build a car, an EV eliminates all the complicated ICE engineering. If you eliminate the wheels you are effectively replacing them with much cheaper blades, but what you do not need is the suspension system and drive chain. You have even less in terms of moving parts to wear out and go wrong. The only reason they are $200k now is they are very low production and cost a lot in research. What we need to look at though is the marginal cost of production in a mass market. We pay a premium for aircraft grade parts now, but in fact if they were mass produced they would be more reliable, as they would get far more testing and refinement, just as a Ford Mondeo is far more reliable than a Ferrari. Really
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Post by Orac on Nov 19, 2024 16:17:39 GMT
These wondrous vehicles will be held aloft by the batteries of the central committee
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2024 16:52:13 GMT
But it is. EV's reduce emissions making the world safer. Its a stupid argument in the first place, so many other factors 1, Where the wear effects humans 2, How many humans are effected 3, How much extra wear an EV causes 4, That extra wear times the minute number effected by this. Its just the last few things left to hold against EV's as all the big ones disappear. Range anxiety, History Charging stations, Thousands of them now. Cost, Outweighed by running cost savings Carbon footprint, Proven to be less over the vehicle life. Mining slavery, Lithium comes from Australia in the main Now we're down to tyre wear. Lol. No I am still working on the principles I laid down earlier, I was trying to simplify it and refer to your post at the same time. I will try again. The optimum efficient speed of most cars is between 40 to 60 mph. We drop that speed dramatically in built up areas near schools etc in order to save lives. So saving the planet takes second place to protecting lives. We live with greater emissions because if we do not then the problems of greater emissions will take priority over the safety of individuals in these built up areas. That is true for all features of legislation that work on road transport saving lives in the here and now takes precedence over saving the planet. The push to use electric cars is the first legislation as regards transport that actually increases the risk to people in the here and now in order to save the planet at some later date down the line I think they must look at the numbers better than you do. Deaths from climate change added into the mix as well. But as neither of us can do the maths, I'll leave it there.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 19, 2024 17:04:03 GMT
Death by climate change …the cult of net zero’s equivalent of the book of revelation .
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2024 17:08:49 GMT
But it is. EV's reduce emissions making the world safer. Its a stupid argument in the first place, so many other factors 1, Where the wear effects humans 2, How many humans are effected 3, How much extra wear an EV causes 4, That extra wear times the minute number effected by this. Its just the last few things left to hold against EV's as all the big ones disappear. Range anxiety, History Charging stations, Thousands of them now. Cost, Outweighed by running cost savings Carbon footprint, Proven to be less over the vehicle life. Mining slavery, Lithium comes from Australia in the main Now we're down to tyre wear. Lol. I hate to break it to these people, but in the future, in many countries there won't be tyre wear as there won't be roads to wear them. It's all down to one number really, which is Wh/kg. Solid state batteries due in a couple of years will deliver 500. I would guess in the medium term that can be at least doubled, and at that point there would really be no reason to have roads. Flying cars will be cheaper than their competitors on the roads. If you build a car, an EV eliminates all the complicated ICE engineering. If you eliminate the wheels you are effectively replacing them with much cheaper blades, but what you do not need is the suspension system and drive chain. You have even less in terms of moving parts to wear out and go wrong. The only reason they are $200k now is they are very low production and cost a lot in research. What we need to look at though is the marginal cost of production in a mass market. We pay a premium for aircraft grade parts now, but in fact if they were mass produced they would be more reliable, as they would get far more testing and refinement, just as a Ford Mondeo is far more reliable than a Ferrari. Hmm. The energy needed to move a flying object the same distance as a wheeled one must be multitudes more Baron. Would we really swap 300 miles of range in a flying car with 1,000 miles in a wheeled one. Not to mention the chaos of a million flying cars.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2024 17:09:53 GMT
Death by climate change …the cult of net zero’s equivalent of the book of revelation . Or scientific research. I'm in the cult of IPCC NOAA and NASA.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 19, 2024 17:13:47 GMT
Death by climate change …the cult of net zero’s equivalent of the book of revelation . Or scientific research. I'm in the cult of IPCC NOAA and NASA. Oh that scientific research that China, India,US and seemingly most of the third world isn’t ignoring?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2024 17:30:52 GMT
Or scientific research. I'm in the cult of IPCC NOAA and NASA. Oh that scientific research that China, India, US and seemingly most of the third world isn’t ignoring? China isn't, The third world is a how you want us to be The US might under Trump, who knows.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 19, 2024 17:44:36 GMT
Oh that scientific research that China, India, US and seemingly most of the third world isn’t ignoring? China isn't, The third world is a how you want us to be The US might under Trump, who knows. China is making money from producing Green energy products and using huge amounts fossil fuels at the same time . They don’t seem to be in as much of a rush as the net zero nuts . If they had faith in the ‘ science ‘ then they would . You are not the third world so your post is a bit weird .
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2024 17:49:42 GMT
China isn't, The third world is a how you want us to be The US might under Trump, who knows. China is making money from producing Green energy products and using huge amounts fossil fuels at the same time . They don’t seem to be in as much of a rush as the net zero nuts . If they had faith in the ‘ science ‘ then they would . You are not the third world so your post is a bit weird . China wanted to rush into Nuclear but were asked to slow down for safety reasons. China produced 35% of its energy from clean power in 2023, despite being the worlds manufacturer. They do recognise the dangers of climate change. Climate change is not political which is great. It means the huge cost of flooding in China is the same incentive for change as the huge cost of Hurricanes in America. You want us to be like the third world and not do anything about climate change. I say we are first world, well just.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 19, 2024 17:58:21 GMT
China is making money from producing Green energy products and using huge amounts fossil fuels at the same time . They don’t seem to be in as much of a rush as the net zero nuts . If they had faith in the ‘ science ‘ then they would . You are not the third world so your post is a bit weird . China wanted to rush into Nuclear but were asked to slow down for safety reasons. China produced 35% of its energy from clean power in 2023, despite being the worlds manufacturer. They do recognise the dangers of climate change. Climate change is not political which is great. It means the huge cost of flooding in China is the same incentive for change as the huge cost of Hurricanes in America. You want us to be like the third world and not do anything about climate change. I say we are first world, well just. So you admit that China( China is the world's largest emitter of carbon dioxide (CO2), accounting for 35% of global emissions in 2023)…. Uses fossil fuels for 65% of its energy needs and at the same time claim they take scientific evidence of imminent climate change seriously? Pull the other one . Your last sentence is just another pathetic attempt to divert the narrative away from you . When you are caught out ,you immediately go into “ I bet you …..” mode . I expect no more .
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