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Post by sandypine on Nov 18, 2024 14:58:12 GMT
Much ado about nothing if you ask me. I'm sure there are lots of contributory factors to pedestrian deaths in addition to electric cars. How about drunk drivers, Range Rovers, buses and milk floats, why pick on EVs?
As for vehicle weight, there are a whole range of vehicle weights on the public roads, will there be an academic study for each of those too?
Not quite the point. There are a multitude of laws and regulations surrounding our relationship with cars. I cannot think of any legislation that either does not act to increase safety and reduce deaths or has no impact on safety in any negative way. The legislation introduced to coerce and force drivers into electric vehicles has the effect of increasing the risk of death and injury to pedestrians, even if only in a small way. I can think of no other legislation as regards transport that actually does that. The upshot is that the government accept a degree of increased risk to members of the electorate so that they can follow their net zero dream. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 18, 2024 15:55:48 GMT
I think you guys are scraping the barrel here and anyway all EVs since 2021 are fitted with noise generators.
More nannying for those who want the state to run all their lives.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 15:58:22 GMT
I think you guys are scraping the barrel here and anyway all EVs since 2021 are fitted with noise generators. More nannying for those who want the state to run all their lives. Indeed. The state forcing EVs on us is nothing more than a nanny state . |
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Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2024 16:42:55 GMT
Take away the IC ban and there is no significant bone of contention left.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:33:11 GMT
But we artificially created the demand for car tyres, without the laws they would last twice as long. And again it comes from Australia. So this just falls into another poor attempt to diminish these brilliant new cars.
if they were 'brilliant' people would not need to be forced into buying them.. Give it time, they are brilliant but folks take a while to get used to change. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:40:18 GMT
[They need more energy because they make all the crap we buy, so its our Co2. Stop buying from China and own your Co2. No idea what you're guessing at with their flood basins. More made up bollox. And an image you got from Pinterest. Sigh. so - When we make goods and sell them to someone else, it's 'our CO2' that's emitted However, when Someone else makes goods and sells them to us, that's 'our CO2' being emitted as well and yet - we closed down our industrial base to reduce 'our CO2 emissions' Call it their Co2 if you want, there's little of it in the UK as we don't make much. But pedantry aside, the reason China produces more Co2 is that they make much of the worlds products. TBH my argument has never been lets do nothing because China produces more. Everyone should do what they can. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:42:43 GMT
Much ado about nothing if you ask me. I'm sure there are lots of contributory factors to pedestrian deaths in addition to electric cars. How about drunk drivers, Range Rovers, buses and milk floats, why pick on EVs?
As for vehicle weight, there are a whole range of vehicle weights on the public roads, will there be an academic study for each of those too?
Not quite the point. There are a multitude of laws and regulations surrounding our relationship with cars. I cannot think of any legislation that either does not act to increase safety and reduce deaths or has no impact on safety in any negative way. The legislation introduced to coerce and force drivers into electric vehicles has the effect of increasing the risk of death and injury to pedestrians, even if only in a small way. I can think of no other legislation as regards transport that actually does that. The upshot is that the government accept a degree of increased risk to members of the electorate so that they can follow their net zero dream. How do those deaths compare to the effects of fumes breathed? I'm sure you've looked into this. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 17:44:36 GMT
Not quite the point. There are a multitude of laws and regulations surrounding our relationship with cars. I cannot think of any legislation that either does not act to increase safety and reduce deaths or has no impact on safety in any negative way. The legislation introduced to coerce and force drivers into electric vehicles has the effect of increasing the risk of death and injury to pedestrians, even if only in a small way. I can think of no other legislation as regards transport that actually does that. The upshot is that the government accept a degree of increased risk to members of the electorate so that they can follow their net zero dream. How do those deaths compare to the effects of fumes breathed? I'm sure you've looked into this. Good point . How many people in the UK die due to car exhaust gases? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:47:52 GMT
How do those deaths compare to the effects of fumes breathed? I'm sure you've looked into this. Good point . How many people in the UK die due to car exhaust gases? Directly or indirectly? |
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Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2024 17:54:57 GMT
so - When we make goods and sell them to someone else, it's 'our CO2' that's emitted However, when Someone else makes goods and sells them to us, that's 'our CO2' being emitted as well and yet - we closed down our industrial base to reduce 'our CO2 emissions' Call it their Co2 if you want, there's little of it in the UK as we don't make much. But pedantry aside, the reason China produces more Co2 is that they make much of the worlds products. TBH my argument has never been lets do nothing because China produces more. Everyone should do what they can. The crossover (ie heads i win, tails you lose) is suggestive to me that this is more about targeting us in particularIt's a way of getting around the fact that the amount of CO2 emission we control is very small. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 18:01:41 GMT
Good point . How many people in the UK die due to car exhaust gases? Directly or indirectly? Both. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 18:03:57 GMT
Call it their Co2 if you want, there's little of it in the UK as we don't make much. But pedantry aside, the reason China produces more Co2 is that they make much of the worlds products. TBH my argument has never been lets do nothing because China produces more. Everyone should do what they can. The crossover (ie heads i win, tails you lose) is suggestive to me that this is more about targeting us in particularIt's a way of getting around the fact that the amount of CO2 emission we control is very small. Its just reality. No one has asked us to create net zero for China. But if trying to blame them to let us off, one must consider the why's and wherefores. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 18, 2024 18:05:00 GMT
if they were 'brilliant' people would not need to be forced into buying them.. Give it time, they are brilliant but folks take a while to get used to change. They wont be brilliant for anyone who needs to tow anything - they are totally impractical. They are a niche product that work well in certain specific situations. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 18:05:31 GMT
We often see estimates for early deaths from breathing polluted air. For the UK this is equivalent to between 29,000 and 43,000 deaths for adults, aged 30 and over, in 2019. For London the latest annual figure is between 3,600 and 4,100 attributable deaths. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2024 18:06:59 GMT
The crossover (ie heads i win, tails you lose) is suggestive to me that this is more about targeting us in particularIt's a way of getting around the fact that the amount of CO2 emission we control is very small. Its just reality. No one has asked us to create net zero for China. But if trying to blame them to let us off, one must consider the why's and wherefores. Can't we just let ourselves off without blaming anyone? |
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