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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 17, 2024 12:05:09 GMT
If we had that approach nothing would ever advance. This is why leftwing economies crash and burn. They are guided by their emotions and their emotions are controlled by people like the above I link to. Human rights is used by Washington as another form of control. They use it selectively to feather their own nest, hence why you never see a poor human rights lawyer. It's like the supposed genocide in Xinjiang. All the Chinese know it is utter shit and nothing of the sort exists or has ever existed in that region. It's to do with national security re oil pipelines. If I had the time I could expose it all to you, but you fling pre-engineered political bullshit from the web at me randomly and one can not be an expert in everything. I just know they are lying bastards. What i do know is the African economy is growing fast with GDP growth hitting 6-7%. They must be happier than it is reported. Why? Shouldn't change and advancements make everyones lives better? Well this is why BRICS was formed. It was the US that exploited these developing counties. They are hypocrites of the highest order. They call it slave labour in DR Congo, but what China is doing is building industry up from the ground level so the locals run things themselves rather than some US corporation where the executives land in jets, talk shit and fly off again. They are also developing the infrastructure over there. Before they arrived locals would have to walk miles to get fresh water in Africa, but now they have new water pipelines, installed for free courtesy of the "CCP" as it is known. So the new deal is they take something and they give something back in return. China gets a secure supply of cobalt, which is essential for some industries, and in return the local economy grows fast and gets richer. The proof of the pudding is just to see how the locals regard the Chinese compared to the Americans. American corporations have exploited them. China has helped them, so they get a big thumbs up. It's not bullshit. I've read the comments direct from Africa. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 17, 2024 12:54:32 GMT
The point is I, and we, accept a certain amount of injustice and pain in the world to live the lifestyles we wish, largely becasue there is little we can do about it other than stop using whatever it is that is causing those injustices which 'we' in the overall sense will not do. We are now being forced to move to new technology, not because we wish to, although some may, but because our government is creating a situation that is forcing us to. The government is forcing me, and many of we, to create a demand for that which we do not want and bringing about unjust human and environmental conditions for many, over and above those we already accept. We could stop the existence of those conditions for that product almost immediately and have little effect on the lifestyles we lead but for people like yourself who believe that we have to follow certain specific policies in order to follow a dubious science and cult like belief that brooks no arguments or dissent but adopts a higher moral stance of the need of a greater good and obfuscates its lies and errors in science that is almost as far from any scientific method you can get. So you want the choice on which injustices you support. And are you happy with the injustices involved in making mobile phones and technology we desire. Are you happy with the injustices caused by AGW? No I accept that injustices occur because of supply and demand. Mobile phones are a demand driven product which is the point. The demand for Lithium has been artificially created. The injustices caused by AGW exist primarily in the heads of the converted as new evidence emerges almost daily on how wrong the dire predictions have been. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2024 13:22:25 GMT
Your confusing the processes. What's added is sea water, what's evaporated away is just water The mess that's left is salt and Lithium. This is gathered and put in to a processing plant where acid is added for the next stage, No one pours acid on the ground to soak away. Acid is too expensive and is re-usable. I am not confusing anything zany. And what doesn't evaperate away from mining litheum becomes toxic acids which contain very many undiserable elements that stick around in pools.. Apologies. Do you have a link to this, nothing I've read says this and its hard to see how adding sea water and then evaporating the water creates acids from Lithium. Happy to learn. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2024 13:27:06 GMT
So you want the choice on which injustices you support. And are you happy with the injustices involved in making mobile phones and technology we desire. Are you happy with the injustices caused by AGW? No I accept that injustices occur because of supply and demand. Mobile phones are a demand driven product which is the point. The demand for Lithium has been artificially created. The injustices caused by AGW exist primarily in the heads of the converted as new evidence emerges almost daily on how wrong the dire predictions have been. Frankly I don't see that it matters whether demand is willing or driven. And how do you define between the two. Are the tyres on your car a demand artificially driven by laws? How about all those safety features every car has to have now are they choice or driven. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 17, 2024 13:36:45 GMT
No I accept that injustices occur because of supply and demand. Mobile phones are a demand driven product which is the point. The demand for Lithium has been artificially created. The injustices caused by AGW exist primarily in the heads of the converted as new evidence emerges almost daily on how wrong the dire predictions have been. Frankly I don't see that it matters whether demand is willing or driven. And how do you define between the two. Are the tyres on your car a demand artificially driven by laws? How about all those safety features every car has to have now are they choice or driven. The safety features are to mitigate the effects of the natural demand by increasing safety so that the numbers of deaths will be reduced.With regards to Lithium we export all the risks of mining Lithium to others so that we can bask in the moral light of doing the right thing. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 17, 2024 14:32:57 GMT
I am not confusing anything zany. And what doesn't evaperate away from mining litheum becomes toxic acids which contain very many undiserable elements that stick around in pools.. Apologies. Do you have a link to this, nothing I've read says this and its hard to see how adding sea water and then evaporating the water creates acids from Lithium. Happy to learn. Lithium and the Environment When you look over the immense salt flats of Chile or the heights of the Tibetan landscape, you are struck with awe as to how the panorama unfolds before you. Yet, these beautifully remote parts of the world are under threat from lithium extraction. In 2016, the Liqi River flowing to the east of the Tibetan plateau was contaminated with toxic chemicals from a mine site up-river, killing fish and thoroughly damaging the local ecosystem. Meanwhile in Chile, the Salar de Atacama has seen 65% of the region’s water consumed for mining procedures, causing havoc for farmers and ranchers who live in the area. In both cases, lithium extraction operations were directly responsible. Demand for the silvery metal has increased worldwide as governments seek to embrace a low-carbon future that features more renewable energy, smart technology and a more circular economic model. Lithium, already used in household and personal appliance batteries, can be scaled up to be used in electric vehicles (EVs) or large-scale energy storage units. Expected to be a critical element in the global shift towards sustainable development, how can we justify the damage current lithium extraction methods have on the environment?
Cobalt is fast turning from a miracle metal to a deadly chemical as toxic dumping is devastating landscapes, polluting water, and contaminating crops. High concentrations of cobalt have even been linked to the death of crops and worms, which are vital for soil fertility.
“In this stream, the fish vanished long ago, killed by acids and waste from the mines,” says Congo resident Heritier Maloba, staring into the murky waters of his childhood fishing hole. This is a similar story across the cobalt regions of Congo.
A study that collected fish from Tshangalale lake, which is adjacent to mining towns, found that the fish were contaminated with prominent levels of cobalt. This contamination is easily spread to humans through the consumption of fish or drinking of the lake’s water. Classified as a ‘possible’ carcinogen, and being a radioactive element, this also poses an immense hazard to human health.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 17, 2024 14:44:40 GMT
Lithium Liabilities: The untold threat to water in the rush to mine American lithium....
The spiralling environmental cost of our lithium battery addiction
As the world scrambles to replace fossil fuels with clean energy, the environmental impact of finding all the lithium required could become a major issue in its own right..
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 17, 2024 16:02:47 GMT
A study that collected fish from Tshangalale lake, which is adjacent to mining towns, found that the fish were contaminated with prominent levels of cobalt. This contamination is easily spread to humans through the consumption of fish or drinking of the lake’s water. Classified as a ‘possible’ carcinogen, and being a radioactive element, this also poses an immense hazard to human health.
I've just looked it up. There are a number of mines in that area. Some are owned by Glencore and one I spotted was 80% Chinese, but that was a copper mine. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 17, 2024 16:07:18 GMT
I've just looked it up. There are a number of mines in that area. Some are owned by Glencore and one I spotted was 80% Chinese, but that was a copper mine. What does it matter who owns them Baron. They are a threat to the enviroment. 80% of Australian litheum is shipped to china. And we all know china doesn't give a shit about the enviroment. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2024 16:17:58 GMT
Frankly I don't see that it matters whether demand is willing or driven. And how do you define between the two. Are the tyres on your car a demand artificially driven by laws? How about all those safety features every car has to have now are they choice or driven. The safety features are to mitigate the effects of the natural demand by increasing safety so that the numbers of deaths will be reduced. With regards to Lithium we export all the risks of mining Lithium to others so that we can bask in the moral light of doing the right thing. Swapping our deaths for theirs. They die making these things in unsafe conditions to keep us safe. And how about all that Co2 we pumped into the atmosphere which most of us believe will cause them much harm, where does that sit in your willing/forced to scenario. Anyway only 2% of lithium is mined in Africa so lets just not buy theirs and let them starve instead. I assume you favour cutting our financial help to them as well? Claiming its wasted stolen misused etc. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2024 16:22:15 GMT
I've just looked it up. There are a number of mines in that area. Some are owned by Glencore and one I spotted was 80% Chinese, but that was a copper mine. What does it matter who owns them Baron. They are a threat to the environment. 80% of Australian lithium is shipped to china. And we all know china doesn't give a shit about the environment. China is a global leader in investments in non-fossil energy, including wind and solar power. In 2024, China added 160 GW of renewable energy, bringing its total renewable capacity to 1,690 GW. Promoting electric vehicles China is the world's leading producer of electric vehicles (EVs), accounting for over half of all EVs sold worldwide. In 2023, new energy vehicles (NEVs) made up 31.6% of the market in China, well ahead of its 2025 target of 20%. Improving public transportation China is prioritizing urban public transportation and developing accessible public transportation cities. Building a strategic grain reserve China is building a strategic grain reserve that's larger than the rest of the world's combined. Creating wetland flood basins China is carving wetland flood basins in the centres of its largest cities. There's a start for you. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 17, 2024 16:27:55 GMT
What does it matter who owns them Baron. They are a threat to the environment. 80% of Australian lithium is shipped to china. And we all know china doesn't give a shit about the environment. China is a global leader in investments in non-fossil energy, including wind and solar power. In 2024, China added 160 GW of renewable energy, bringing its total renewable capacity to 1,690 GW. Promoting electric vehicles China is the world's leading producer of electric vehicles (EVs), accounting for over half of all EVs sold worldwide. In 2023, new energy vehicles (NEVs) made up 31.6% of the market in China, well ahead of its 2025 target of 20%. Improving public transportation China is prioritizing urban public transportation and developing accessible public transportation cities. Building a strategic grain reserve China is building a strategic grain reserve that's larger than the rest of the world's combined. Creating wetland flood basins China is carving wetland flood basins in the centres of its largest cities. There's a start for you. 50.7% EVs in China from a report in July this year. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 17, 2024 17:17:42 GMT
The safety features are to mitigate the effects of the natural demand by increasing safety so that the numbers of deaths will be reduced. With regards to Lithium we export all the risks of mining Lithium to others so that we can bask in the moral light of doing the right thing. Swapping our deaths for theirs. They die making these things in unsafe conditions to keep us safe. And how about all that Co2 we pumped into the atmosphere which most of us believe will cause them much harm, where does that sit in your willing/forced to scenario. Anyway only 2% of lithium is mined in Africa so lets just not buy theirs and let them starve instead. I assume you favour cutting our financial help to them as well? Claiming its wasted stolen misused etc. Not swapping any deaths, if we did not artificially create a demand for Lithium there would be no problem. As I said the CO2 harm is mostly in the heads of people like you, what we can see is better crop yields in Africa and more land able to grow useful crops. There is no evidence of any detrimental effect from the slight warming trend despite the desperation of some to find it. I favour allowing them to develop as they wish and not lay conditions for funding loans that kow tow to the AGW belief. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 17, 2024 17:43:12 GMT
China is a global leader in investments in non-fossil energy, including wind and solar power. In 2024, China added 160 GW of renewable energy, bringing its total renewable capacity to 1,690 GW. Promoting electric vehicles China is the world's leading producer of electric vehicles (EVs), accounting for over half of all EVs sold worldwide. In 2023, new energy vehicles (NEVs) made up 31.6% of the market in China, well ahead of its 2025 target of 20%. Improving public transportation China is prioritizing urban public transportation and developing accessible public transportation cities. Building a strategic grain reserve China is building a strategic grain reserve that's larger than the rest of the world's combined. Creating wetland flood basins China is carving wetland flood basins in the centres of its largest cities. There's a start for you. 50.7% EVs in China from a report in July this year. I see you left out that they will be building another 40 coal powered power stations over the next 2 or 3 years. And the wet flood basins they are building is too try and clear the crap they have made by extracting gold from e waste...
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2024 19:41:44 GMT
Swapping our deaths for theirs. They die making these things in unsafe conditions to keep us safe. And how about all that Co2 we pumped into the atmosphere which most of us believe will cause them much harm, where does that sit in your willing/forced to scenario. Anyway only 2% of lithium is mined in Africa so lets just not buy theirs and let them starve instead. I assume you favour cutting our financial help to them as well? Claiming its wasted stolen misused etc. Not swapping any deaths, if we did not artificially create a demand for Lithium there would be no problem. As I said the CO2 harm is mostly in the heads of people like you, what we can see is better crop yields in Africa and more land able to grow useful crops. There is no evidence of any detrimental effect from the slight warming trend despite the desperation of some to find it. I favour allowing them to develop as they wish and not lay conditions for funding loans that kow tow to the AGW belief. But we artificially created the demand for car tyres, without the laws they would last twice as long. And again it comes from Australia. So this just falls into another poor attempt to diminish these brilliant new cars. |
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