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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 10, 2024 12:03:28 GMT
You charge the car where you park it. how do you charge a car in the street , where there is no charging facilities ,and barely any parking , somewhere like cowcaddens in Glasgow , with 6 storey tenement flats on both sides of the road ? How the hell can you run a car if you can't park it?
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 12:05:16 GMT
how do you charge a car in the street , where there is no charging facilities ,and barely any parking , somewhere like cowcaddens in Glasgow , with 6 storey tenement flats on both sides of the road ? How the hell can you run a car if you can't park it? You can park it. The point is not necessarily outside of your flat. So how do you access non existent chargers , in a parking space that doesn't belong to you ?
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2024 12:10:21 GMT
You charge the car where you park it. how do you charge a car in the street , where there is no charging facilities ,and barely any parking , somewhere like cowcaddens in Glasgow , with 6 storey tenement flats on both sides of the road ? The correct answer is that you can’t . On planet “ Baron” the answer is ..China builds EVs that recharge in 30 seconds cos he’s seen it on YouTube . On planet Zany the answer is “ blah blah blah “.
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 12:40:04 GMT
how do you charge a car in the street , where there is no charging facilities ,and barely any parking , somewhere like cowcaddens in Glasgow , with 6 storey tenement flats on both sides of the road ? The correct answer is that you can’t . On planet “ Baron” the answer is ..China builds EVs that recharge in 30 seconds cos he’s seen it on YouTube . On planet Zany the answer is “ blah blah blah “. lol. To be fair to zany his answer was the big green battery lorry was going to drive down these roads charging cars , late at night , until it was pointed out the lorries wouldn't fit down the streets , and the locals might get the hump with all the noise late at night. like I said , when planet reality meets planet zany , all these little uncomfortable questions come out to piss all over his latest green fireworks and render them damp squibs. EVs are fine for the fairly well off middle classes in their leafy suburbs , with the detached garage , who want to do nothing more than drive around town showing off how they are saving the planet. for the rest of us , the impracticalities outweigh the pros , hence why so many ordinary members of the public aren't buying these vehicles..
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2024 12:43:22 GMT
The correct answer is that you can’t . On planet “ Baron” the answer is ..China builds EVs that recharge in 30 seconds cos he’s seen it on YouTube . On planet Zany the answer is “ blah blah blah “. lol. To be fair to zany his answer was the big green battery lorry was going to drive down these roads charging cars , late at night , until it was pointed out the lorries wouldn't fit down the streets , and the locals might get the hump with all the noise late at night. like I said , when planet reality meets planet zany , all these little uncomfortable questions come out to piss all over his latest green fireworks and render them damp squibs. EVs are fine for the fairly well off middle classes in their left suburbs , with the detached garage , who want to do nothing more than drive around town showing off how they are saving the planet. for the rest of us , the impracticalities outweigh the pros , hence why so many ordinary members of the public aren't buying these vehicles..Exactly.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 10, 2024 12:47:46 GMT
How the hell can you run a car if you can't park it? You can park it. The point is not necessarily outside of your flat. So how do you access non existent chargers , in a parking space that doesn't belong to you ? OK well think of it this way. How much is the freehold value of the property and how much is the combined value of the property plus a charger in percentage terms. Having established that, you then need to think if the extra cost is worth it. I mean these days everyone has their own indoor toilet since the cost of that is not a lot compared to the utility. I'd guess a charger would be sub 5% once they are mass produced.
Some properties you will not need a car. I lived about 4m south of the city centre and the fastest way to get into town was a bus. You could catch one in 5m and then the bus would go about the same speed as the rest of the tragic, but you gained by the bus dropping you off right next to where you want to go. If you took the car you would have to park a fair walk away from your destination, and then if you went to several places on foot your last point of call may well be even further away from where you parked. So there are your options. Live close to the city centre in more dense housing and your travel times are shorter and public transport becomes more economical as the density of population increases and land is more expensive.
What a lot of people don't really understand is the concept of total cost of ownership. A standard car costs you in many ways. You have the price of the car, the depreciation, the service costs, the insurance and the road tax plus petrol tax to pay for the roads. You have to pay for the petrol stations and the tankers that deliver the fuel, plus you have to pay for giant storage tanks. You have to pay the cost of vandalism as well, and theft.
I mean using electricity as fuel is a whole new game. For example, a good trick one can do to bring down costs and improve performance is using GaN FETs in the chargers. They are similar to transistors but can work much faster and cope with much higher power. The main cost of a charger is the ironmongery in the transformers. It's what makes them heavy items and they give off a lot of heat. If you switch much faster you can reduce the weight and increase the efficiency, plus reduce the overall size. It will bring down the cost of chargers significantly. There really is no such mod in the process of supplying fuel to ICE cars though. If we can reduce the cost of chargers then we can fit them into all the parking spaces and move to wireless charging as well. You just park as normal and the computer says ah welcome Mr Joe Bloggs, connecting automatically to your account, and that's it. It will make sure you always have juice in the battery, but work to supply power to the grid in peak times.
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 12:58:33 GMT
You can park it. The point is not necessarily outside of your flat. So how do you access non existent chargers , in a parking space that doesn't belong to you ? OK well think of it this way. How much is the freehold value of the property and how much is the combined value of the property plus a charger in percentage terms. Having established that, you then need to think if the extra cost is worth it. I mean these days everyone has their own indoor toilet since the cost of that is not a lot compared to the utility. I'd guess a charger would be sub 5% once they are mass produced.
irrelevant to the question I asked. irrelevant to the question I asked. What if you live in or near a city centre , in a high flat , and need a car to get to work ? how do you charge the car conveniently ? irrelevant to the question I asked you. The cost of ownership of petrol diesel or EV , and whether you lease or buy outright , you still have the problem of charging an EV living in high flats in cities. We want to hear practical solutions , not diversions and delusions. yet more waffle while ignoring the specific question I asked you. here it is again . how do you charge a car in the street , where there is no charging facilities ,and barely any parking , somewhere like cowcaddens in Glasgow , with 6 storey tenement flats on both sides of the road ?
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 13:08:46 GMT
You can park it. The point is not necessarily outside of your flat. So how do you access non existent chargers , in a parking space that doesn't belong to you ? If we can reduce the cost of chargers then we can fit them into all the parking spaces and move to wireless charging as well.
How? In most major cities , the few EV chargers are generally situated in supermarket car parks and such like , and im not aware of any that are situated in streets full of houses or flats. some homeowners , where practical , have fitted chargers in their houses , most have not. the infrastructure isnt there , and not likely to be there any time soon , because no one wants the cost , including governments , thats before we even talk about the practicality . its cloud cuckoo land. I was working on an industrial estate a few months back , on a Sunday , and the office where we were working has a few chargers fitted. a woman arrived in a Volkswagen and proceeded to link up her EV and attempt to charge it using an app on her phone. Hours later , she was still having problems accessing the charger via the app , and getting it working , so much so she left , and came back and was still fannying about by the time we left. hours later. You can fill a petrol or diesel in a few minutes , pay and be on your way. badly thought out policy on the back of a fag packet . The majority dont want evs. not because they are luddites , but because most folk are sensible human beings not being taken in by bullshit and virtue signalling.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2024 13:15:57 GMT
If people charge their cars in car parks , how much would it cost ie investment..to build say 50 high speed chargers in a supermarket car park . Realistically that and public car parks would be the place to recharge if you couldn’t do it at home . I suspect that the power draw would be immense and need government subsidies.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 10, 2024 13:16:26 GMT
irrelevant to the question I asked. ? Just move then and get a place with a charger.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2024 13:18:24 GMT
irrelevant to the question I asked. ? Just move then and get a place with a charger. And there we have it ..the “ let them eat cake “ answer. lol!
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 10, 2024 13:24:30 GMT
Just move then and get a place with a charger. And there we have it ..the “ let them eat cake “ answer. lol! Simple solutions for simple people who discard 99.99% of what is going on around them. One day the landlord might twig why everyone has left.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2024 13:26:30 GMT
And there we have it ..the “ let them eat cake “ answer. lol! Simple solutions for simple people who discard 99.99% of what is going on around them. One day the landlord might twig why everyone has left. Only simple people would think that the landlord had the solution.
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Post by Orac on Nov 10, 2024 13:35:19 GMT
If people charge their cars in car parks , how much would it cost ie investment..to build say 50 high speed chargers in a supermarket car park . Realistically that and public car parks would be the place to recharge if you couldn’t do it at home . I suspect that the power draw would be immense and need government subsidies. It would have to be heavily and dynamically limited in terms of the power you can draw or it would overwhelm supply. When people complain that they can't use their cars because it takes two months to recharge them, the government can answer honestly that there is nothing that can be done.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2024 13:40:56 GMT
If people charge their cars in car parks , how much would it cost ie investment..to build say 50 high speed chargers in a supermarket car park . Realistically that and public car parks would be the place to recharge if you couldn’t do it at home . I suspect that the power draw would be immense and need government subsidies. It would have to be heavily and dynamically limited in terms of the power you can draw or it would overwhelm supply. When people complain that they can't use their cars because it takes two months to recharge them, the government can answer honestly that there is nothing that can be done. Indeed. If the government ( that wants the headlong rush to net zero) was serious about EVs they would be building the infrastructure now but they are not . So the reality is that the plan is to reduce private transport not replace the energy source .
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