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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 22, 2024 13:51:51 GMT
Yesterday evening Channel 4 transmitted what it billed as an ‘An explosive look at the racist ideology and media-savvy tactics of the modern far right - featuring secret investigations by the anti-fascist group Hope not Hate.’
Way overlong at 90 minutes, the ‘exposé’ started off with a shrill warning about a dangerous resurgence of ‘scientific racism’ on the part of dissident intellectuals which had prompted HnH to recycle its favourite investigative device, an undercover ‘sting’.
At least that’s how it started off. However it must have soon dawned upon the programme makers (if not HnH itself) that there would not enough content in that particular topic to fill the 90-minute slot, even though the cameras tracked HnH's intrepid sleuth on his peregrinations via Tallinn, Warsaw, Athens and elsewhere. Accordingly archive footage featuring all the traditional antifa daemons from John Tyndall to Tommy Robinson to the 2024 rioters was pressed into service and any actual discussion of scientific racism and why it is so unwelcome was very thin on the ground.
Oh there was an ongoing thread involving an undercover journalist who was finally in the last few seconds able to extract the shocking admission the far-right grouplet under scrutiny was being funded by – shock, horror! - a tech tycoon from Silicon Valley.
What the programme actually did expose is the chaotic shambles of HnH and its principal cast of characters, a very odd assortment of self-styled members of a kaleidoscope of oppressed groups. What it didn’t expose was the murky nature of HnH’s own funding which involves a limited company doing the actual antifa thing while the funding is provided via grants and donations to a (taxpayer-subsidised) charitable trust.
A very curious setup which predictably held little interest for Channel 4. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 22, 2024 17:07:20 GMT
Yesterday evening Channel 4 transmitted what it billed as an ‘An explosive look at the racist ideology and media-savvy tactics of the modern far right - featuring secret investigations by the anti-fascist group Hope not Hate.’
Way overlong at 90 minutes, the ‘exposé’ started off with a shrill warning about a dangerous resurgence of ‘scientific racism’ on the part of dissident intellectuals which had prompted HnH to recycle its favourite investigative device, an undercover ‘sting’.
At least that’s how it started off. However it must have soon dawned upon the programme makers (if not HnH itself) that there would not enough content in that particular topic to fill the 90-minute slot, even though the cameras tracked HnH's intrepid sleuth on his peregrinations via Tallinn, Warsaw, Athens and elsewhere. Accordingly archive footage featuring all the traditional antifa daemons from John Tyndall to Tommy Robinson to the 2024 rioters was pressed into service and any actual discussion of scientific racism and why it is so unwelcome was very thin on the ground.
Oh there was an ongoing thread involving an undercover journalist who was finally in the last few seconds able to extract the shocking admission the far-right grouplet under scrutiny was being funded by – shock, horror! - a tech tycoon from Silicon Valley.
What the programme actually did expose is the chaotic shambles of HnH and its principal cast of characters, a very odd assortment of self-styled members of a kaleidoscope of oppressed groups. What it didn’t expose was the murky nature of HnH’s own funding which involves a limited company doing the actual antifa thing while the funding is provided via grants and donations to a (taxpayer-subsidised) charitable trust.
A very curious setup which predictably held little interest for Channel 4. I thought scientific racism was already well entrenched in Critical Race Theory. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 22, 2024 19:47:52 GMT
I noticed this programme last evening. I couldn't bring myself to tune in and was not in the least surprised that Channel 4 would produce such a programme.
Ken McCallum, Director General of MI5 recently said out loud, on TV, that by far the greatest terrorist threat we face today is from Islamic fundamentalism.
Do Channel 4 know something MI5 don't, or is Channel 4 a part of the problem?
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 22, 2024 20:03:51 GMT
You may or not be aware but every year HnH puts out its 'State of Hate' report. This years bumper edition runs to 140 pages; it can be downloaded here: hopenothate.org.uk/state-of-hate-2024/It contains many references to 'Islamophobia' and 'anti-Muslim hatred' but not a single one about the hatred that Muslims in the West have for the populations that host them. It doesn't even include anything about the anti-Semitism that Muslims display towards Jews with whom they share their European living space. Even though several prominent members of the HnH management team are themselves Jews. Funny or what? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2024 12:13:50 GMT
It isn't racist to criticise Islam, or Islamic fundamentalists.
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Post by patman post on Oct 23, 2024 15:27:27 GMT
Yesterday evening Channel 4 transmitted what it billed as an ‘An explosive look at the racist ideology and media-savvy tactics of the modern far right - featuring secret investigations by the anti-fascist group Hope not Hate.’
Way overlong at 90 minutes, the ‘exposé’ started off with a shrill warning about a dangerous resurgence of ‘scientific racism’ on the part of dissident intellectuals which had prompted HnH to recycle its favourite investigative device, an undercover ‘sting’.
At least that’s how it started off. However it must have soon dawned upon the programme makers (if not HnH itself) that there would not enough content in that particular topic to fill the 90-minute slot, even though the cameras tracked HnH's intrepid sleuth on his peregrinations via Tallinn, Warsaw, Athens and elsewhere. Accordingly archive footage featuring all the traditional antifa daemons from John Tyndall to Tommy Robinson to the 2024 rioters was pressed into service and any actual discussion of scientific racism and why it is so unwelcome was very thin on the ground.
Oh there was an ongoing thread involving an undercover journalist who was finally in the last few seconds able to extract the shocking admission the far-right grouplet under scrutiny was being funded by – shock, horror! - a tech tycoon from Silicon Valley.
What the programme actually did expose is the chaotic shambles of HnH and its principal cast of characters, a very odd assortment of self-styled members of a kaleidoscope of oppressed groups. What it didn’t expose was the murky nature of HnH’s own funding which involves a limited company doing the actual antifa thing while the funding is provided via grants and donations to a (taxpayer-subsidised) charitable trust.
A very curious setup which predictably held little interest for Channel 4. I don’t agree with your problem. The programme covered what it advertised. It was too long and disjointed and irrelevant in places, but it addressed the topic in the title…. |
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Post by patman post on Oct 23, 2024 15:32:51 GMT
I noticed this programme last evening. I couldn't bring myself to tune in and was not in the least surprised that Channel 4 would produce such a programme. Ken McCallum, Director General of MI5 recently said out loud, on TV, that by far the greatest terrorist threat we face today is from Islamic fundamentalism. Do Channel 4 know something MI5 don't, or is Channel 4 a part of the problem? Perhaps reading the full text of McCallum’s speech rather than cherrypicking reported snippets could better inform you… www.mi5.gov.uk/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-latest-threat-update |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 23, 2024 17:04:43 GMT
I don’t agree with your problem. The programme covered what it advertised. It was too long and disjointed and irrelevant in places, but it addressed the topic in the title…. On the contrary, other than a few comments about race and intelligence, and eugenics it contained little actual content on the topic of 'scientific racism'. Anyone watching unfamiliar with the concept would be none the wiser after spending 90 minutes in front of the telly, and would remain unsure why it is a 'bad thing' other than that the talking heads from Hope not Hate don't like it.
There was more filler about Tommy Robinson, the August riots and Britain First, not to mention Cable Street, the BUF and the National Front than about the topic in question. Discussion of that was largely confined to the personalities of those few ebil waycists that HnH was able to identify, as well as the efforts taken by its amateur sleuthes in unmasking them.
I would say it was a failure given its own terms of reference as well as the ballyhoo with which it was presented.
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Post by patman post on Oct 23, 2024 17:41:06 GMT
I don’t agree with your problem. The programme covered what it advertised. It was too long and disjointed and irrelevant in places, but it addressed the topic in the title…. On the contrary, other than a few comments about race and intelligence, and eugenics it contained little actual content on the topic of 'scientific racism'. Anyone watching unfamiliar with the concept would be none the wiser after spending 90 minutes in front of the telly, and would remain unsure why it is a 'bad thing' other than that the talking heads from Hope not Hate don't like it.
There was more filler about Tommy Robinson, the August riots and Britain First, not to mention Cable Street, the BUF and the National Front than about the topic in question. Discussion of that was largely confined to the personalities of those few ebil waycists that HnH was able to identify, as well as the efforts taken by its amateur sleuthes in unmasking them.
I would say it was a failure given its own terms of reference as well as the ballyhoo with which it was presented.
Again I disagree. Your own link to Channel4's programme blurb says:
An explosive look at the racist ideology and media-savvy tactics of the modern far right - featuring secret investigations by the anti-fascist group Hope not Hate
Hardly "explosive" to anyone with sympathies for Far Right tactics, or targeted by it, but I reckon the programme presented much of what it said it would...
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 23, 2024 17:54:12 GMT
Yesterday evening Channel 4 transmitted what it billed as an ‘An explosive look at the racist ideology and media-savvy tactics of the modern far right - featuring secret investigations by the anti-fascist group Hope not Hate.’
Way overlong at 90 minutes, the ‘exposé’ started off with a shrill warning about a dangerous resurgence of ‘scientific racism’ on the part of dissident intellectuals which had prompted HnH to recycle its favourite investigative device, an undercover ‘sting’.
At least that’s how it started off. However it must have soon dawned upon the programme makers (if not HnH itself) that there would not enough content in that particular topic to fill the 90-minute slot, even though the cameras tracked HnH's intrepid sleuth on his peregrinations via Tallinn, Warsaw, Athens and elsewhere. Accordingly archive footage featuring all the traditional antifa daemons from John Tyndall to Tommy Robinson to the 2024 rioters was pressed into service and any actual discussion of scientific racism and why it is so unwelcome was very thin on the ground.
Oh there was an ongoing thread involving an undercover journalist who was finally in the last few seconds able to extract the shocking admission the far-right grouplet under scrutiny was being funded by – shock, horror! - a tech tycoon from Silicon Valley.
What the programme actually did expose is the chaotic shambles of HnH and its principal cast of characters, a very odd assortment of self-styled members of a kaleidoscope of oppressed groups. What it didn’t expose was the murky nature of HnH’s own funding which involves a limited company doing the actual antifa thing while the funding is provided via grants and donations to a (taxpayer-subsidised) charitable trust.
A very curious setup which predictably held little interest for Channel 4. I thought scientific racism was already well entrenched in Critical Race Theory. It is, but as Patman Post has pointed out they think they can be sly by using the Far-Right label, which, as we know, is restricted to describing white people. Perhaps this is why they racially abuse non-whites who are seen to be behaving like white people, like it's a betrayal of their genetics? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2024 18:36:00 GMT
Due to moderate voices on the centre right, there really isn't much of a far right in this country, and the fringe which is, is utterly unelectable, in no small part because of Nigel Farage.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2024 19:01:01 GMT
You may or not be aware but every year HnH puts out its 'State of Hate' report. This years bumper edition runs to 140 pages; it can be downloaded here: hopenothate.org.uk/state-of-hate-2024/It contains many references to 'Islamophobia' and 'anti-Muslim hatred' but not a single one about the hatred that Muslims in the West have for the populations that host them. It doesn't even include anything about the anti-Semitism that Muslims display towards Jews with whom they share their European living space. Even though several prominent members of the HnH management team are themselves Jews. Funny or what? So we could probably summarise by saying: "White people bad, everyone else is a victim." That should about cover it. |
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