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Post by Handyman on Oct 23, 2024 4:25:01 GMT
Update Found it Handyman link
Great thank you, I have just order his book if interested its called " Lethal Force " |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2024 8:33:47 GMT
I have just been watching a very interesting video of a retired Met Firearms Officer who was also tried for Murder and found not guilty, Its in todays Telegraph " The Daily T Podcast Sorry can't give a Link I always mess it up, if anyone can I would appreciate it
Nine years ago I stood trial at the Old Bailey for the murder of Azelle Rodney, a member of an Organised Crime Group (OCG) who we feared was en route to commit armed robbery and murder. For the last four weeks, together with my former and serving colleagues, I have watched on with grave concern as Martyn Blake, a serving officer in my old unit, faced the same charge for the shooting of Chris Kaba – yet another young black man embroiled in armed criminality as part of a violent OCG.
Knowing the feeling of hopelessness as you sit in that glass box with a life term of imprisonment hanging over you is an awful experience, especially when you know that, as a dedicated and well-trained officer, you did exactly what you were trained to do.
Both Martyn and I did exactly that, only opening fire when there was absolutely no other effective means, nor realistic prospect of stopping the threat without exposing police officers or anyone else to a very real risk of harm or injury.
We both knew that our split-second decisions would be dissected under the microscope over the months and years by supposedly independent investigators, “experts” and lawyers.
Both of us trusted – foolishly perhaps – that they would be intelligent enough to understand the difference between viewing a video at your leisure and being there at the scene with adrenaline coursing through your veins. Both Martyn and I had a front and a rear sight on our carbines. Neither one of us was equipped with hindsight.
Highest standards
Some might be surprised to learn that, as citizens, we have always had a moral duty to assist our police and so hold the exact same powers as they do to use reasonable force to arrest or assist in the arrest of offenders.
We also share the same powers to defend ourselves, provided that like them, we have an “honestly held belief” that we, or others, are in imminent danger.
But the days of “hue and cry” and feeling morally bound to perform our civic duties are long gone. It is the police we call when danger threatens.
In fact, in modern times, with the exception of a brave few, we are more inclined to stand back and get out our phones than muck in. So we pay and equip our protectors to carry batons, irritant spray, Tasers and even lethal firearms to deal with the most dangerous of criminals and terrorists.
We rightly expect them to train to the highest standards and to act professionally and responsibly when they run into danger on our behalf. And yet, increasingly, when they resort to the training we expect of them, society’s immediate response is to prosecute them.
When a death occurs during a medical procedure, even if a degree of negligence is concerned, unsurprisingly we look far more leniently on those responsible. The first instinct, having investigated the case, is normally not prosecution but rather to ensure that a similar tragedy doesn’t happen again and to mentor or retrain those at fault.
Police are human too
Unless we are talking about Harold Shipman or Lucy Letby, or other cases of murder or gross negligence manslaughter, we like to think that our clinicians are trying to preserve life rather than cause deliberate harm. We accept that sometimes even caring and professional human beings simply make mistakes.
Police officers are human too. They can make mistakes like anyone else, but despite plenty of daily but rarely reported examples they are almost never portrayed as caring.
We forget that when officers are forced on those very rare occasions to open fire, they do so to preserve life – and may have made the decision to do so in fractions of a second on a wet, dark, side street when they themselves were in mortal danger, rather than in the safety of a well-lit A&E.
Because they’ve used a firearm and not a scalpel, unlike a doctor, paramedic or nurse, they will not be charged with gross negligence manslaughter but murder and, if convicted, will face 15 to 30 years on the nonce’s wing of a Category A prison rather than a suspended sentence or community service.
Those who find themselves shot by police are rarely innocents. But our very British obsession with never speaking ill of the dead invariably leaves the police treated like the criminals while the deceased, however bad, are painted as caring fathers-to-be, talented musicians, footballers and, most importantly, victims.
The public is only now finding out the whole truth about Chris Kaba, his violent criminality and that of his “music collective”.
That they should have all benefited from anonymity, granted by the courts, while Martyn Blake was denied the same privilege, isn’t just ironic, it’s a national disgrace. Something has to change.
Tony Long is a former Metropolitan Police firearms officer |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 23, 2024 8:39:46 GMT
Abbott is quoted in the Press as saying this after the Police Officer was Acquitted
Making no mention of Kaba's criminal history, she posted on social media: 'A lack of police accountability is the tradition, not a new beginning.'
If she had read the Media on the night he was shot dead , he was high on Cocaine, there was firearms residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 23, 2024 9:04:56 GMT
Abbott is quoted in the Press as saying this after the Police Officer was Acquitted Making no mention of Kaba's criminal history, she posted on social media: 'A lack of police accountability is the tradition, not a new beginning.'
If she had read the Media on the night he was shot dead , he was high on Cocaine, there was firearms residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket. And who will be accountable if Blake or his family are targeted because of this as intelligence reports there is a price on his head ,the IOPC,CPS,Abbott? Even the thickest (apart from Abbott) would understand why this case should never have been brought let alone him not being named. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2024 9:07:11 GMT
Abbott is quoted in the Press as saying this after the Police Officer was Acquitted Making no mention of Kaba's criminal history, she posted on social media: 'A lack of police accountability is the tradition, not a new beginning.'
If she had read the Media on the night he was shot dead , he was high on Cocaine, there was firearms residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket. Just what we expect from lefty racists like Abbott. |
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Post by om15 on Oct 23, 2024 9:10:56 GMT
Apparently Tim Davies doesn't drink anymore, he has been dry for over a year or so, goodness knows what he was like when he was drinking.
He has interesting things to say on many subjects ( the RAF, black people, drinking beer and flying fast jets), if more current Squadron Leaders were in the same mould then I suspect the RAF might be in a better place.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 23, 2024 9:22:38 GMT
Abbott is quoted in the Press as saying this after the Police Officer was Acquitted Making no mention of Kaba's criminal history, she posted on social media: 'A lack of police accountability is the tradition, not a new beginning.'
If she had read the Media on the night he was shot dead , he was high on Cocaine, there was firearms residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket. Just what we expect from lefty racists like Abbott. Exactly and her former bed mate Corbyn , what next will there be a demand the Officer be tried again ?, a Private Prosecution ? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2024 9:23:38 GMT
I had a Guinness.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 23, 2024 13:32:18 GMT
Bolting the stable doors after the horses have fled...And what about after the trial FFS?.....The Judge who released his identity, or made the decision to release his identity should now be held severely to account. Firearms officers' identities will be kept secret during trials to stop others being forced into hiding: Home Secretary unveils new proposals after cop who shot Chris Kaba fled home... Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has announced firearms officers will have their identities kept secret during criminal trials involving police shootings after an armed sergeant was found not guilty of murdering Chris Kaba. Sergeant Martyn Blake was acquitted on Monday after shooting dead 24-year-old Mr Kaba in Streatham, south London, but has been forced to flee his home and go into hiding after gangsters put a £10,000 bounty on his head. Senior former police officers have criticised the decision to charge him with the alleged offence while there has also been anger over his name being publicly identified ahead of the trial Details of Mr Kaba's criminal past could not be revealed until reporting restrictions were lifted on Tuesday. In a statement to the Commons today, Ms Cooper told MPs: 'When officers act in the most dangerous situations on behalf of the state it is vital that those officers and their families are not put in further danger during any subsequent legal proceedings. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13991593/Why-police-marksman-charged-Chris-Kabas-murder-Leading-ex-cops-lead-fury-officer-faced-trial-killing-gangster-sacked-grossly-unfair-process.html |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2024 15:01:43 GMT
It seems that Reform are the only party even remotely interested in the truth.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 23, 2024 16:09:07 GMT
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 24, 2024 7:26:05 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Oct 24, 2024 8:47:31 GMT
No matter what Dim and Dimmer may say or do or duck and dive there is one fact they cannot argue with or change, the Jury listened to all of the evidence and found the Officer not Guilty full stop
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 24, 2024 10:46:01 GMT
They really are cretinous people, eager to jump on a 'George Floyd' bandwagon. Happy to import and use that racially divisive shit that stems from the US, to look like virtuous citizens of modern Britain. When all they are is, divisive, toxic people looking to exploit most systems - like the justice system for example to further their rancid identity politics. I've said it before, but the likes of Corbyn, Starmer, Harman, Khan, Lammy, Abbott and those who believe themselves to be "liberally progressive" are wreaking havoc and tearing down the UK's social fabric. They are far more dangerous and divisive than a Jihadi. Principally because the enable and defend the indefensible with their warped version of virtue. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 24, 2024 11:30:51 GMT
They really are cretinous people, eager to jump on a 'George Floyd' bandwagon. Happy to import and use that racially divisive shit that stems from the US, to look like virtuous citizens of modern Britain. When all they are is, divisive, toxic people looking to exploit most systems - like the justice system for example to further their rancid identity politics. I've said it before, but the likes of Corbyn, Starmer, Harman, Khan, Lammy, Abbott and those who believe themselves to be "liberally progressive" are wreaking havoc and tearing down the UK's social fabric. They are far more dangerous and divisive than a Jihadi. Principally because the enable and defend the indefensible with their warped version of virtue. Well said |
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