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Post by ratcliff on Dec 9, 2022 19:03:09 GMT
I don't think this is anything new. There has always been young (and older) people who just sit at home. If their parents are dumb enough to allow it what can you do? I agree it's longstanding as a result of the Labour administration making benefits a financially viable lifestyle choice for many who don't fancy waking up to an alarm clock 5 days a week . The introduction of a benefit cap by the coalition (and following admins) didn't go low enough to coerce the terminally lazy to get out of bed if they want to eat. There are far too many two and three generation families perfectly happy to live on benefits from the fruit of another's labours. Maybe a time limit on benefits would work , benefits can only be claimed for a maximum of 3/5 years for those of working age? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 9, 2022 19:11:47 GMT
I don't think this is anything new. There has always been young (and older) people who just sit at home. If their parents are dumb enough to allow it what can you do? I agree it's longstanding as a result of the Labour administration making benefits a financially viable lifestyle choice for many who don't fancy waking up to an alarm clock 5 days a week . The introduction of a benefit cap by the coalition (and following admins) didn't go low enough to coerce the terminally lazy to get out of bed if they want to eat. There are far too many two and three generation families perfectly happy to live on benefits from the fruit of another's labours. Maybe a time limit on benefits would work , benefits can only be claimed for a maximum of 3/5 years for those of working age? Then what? Make them starve or turn to crime? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 9, 2022 19:18:53 GMT
linkIt's interesting that so many people are now intent on making benefits a "Lifestyle". The govt say that they have a record unemployment, but what they actually have is a record number of people who aren't applying for jobs for one reason or another. Before the pandemic there were about 3 million on Universal Credit, but now there are about 5.8 million. And the rates paid by UC are going up of course (inflation indexed). So it looks like what's happening is that people are weighing up how much they can get by working and how much they can get on benefits - and deciding there isn't much point in working any more. I'd say that means benefits are too high. What other explanation is there. The biggest complaint I pick up is the management. Work is a chore, but worse than the chore of the work is dealing with bitches. If one were to have nice intelligent and understanding management then I think the problem would go away. Teaching people to suck eggs is an insult too. There are many ridiculous facets of management these days and none commended by the workforce. This is why they are all out on strike. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 9, 2022 19:20:42 GMT
Certainly benefits are too high for those that choose not to go to work - the idea that sitting at home on your sofa is now an achievable career choice shows that something has gone wrong with the welfare system. No it does not. You pick that and make it your reason without any reason. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 9, 2022 19:23:30 GMT
Ah they left a detail out did they. What a surprise lol!
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 9, 2022 22:39:40 GMT
Certainly benefits are too high for those that choose not to go to work - the idea that sitting at home on your sofa is now an achievable career choice shows that something has gone wrong with the welfare system. No it does not. You pick that and make it your reason without any reason. Well that is nonsense - deciding that you are not going to work shows that the level of welfare handouts are high enough to make that a viable career choice. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 9, 2022 23:13:45 GMT
No it does not. You pick that and make it your reason without any reason. Well that is nonsense - deciding that you are not going to work shows that the level of welfare handouts are high enough to make that a viable career choice. Life is far more complicated than that. This is Daily Mail theory. Medical issues come into it, and sometimes people get harassed out of a job. The tolerability of the workplace has gone down as the bullshit rules increase. For example what if some job you get makes you sign a contract with bullshit you have to do regarding trans freaks? It's getting more and more like these people think they own you. They need to cut the crap in order to create workplace satisfaction. Many can choose to retire early if they don't like the bullshit. I know you would rather force it, but we Brits don't take that shit. Most will not openly admit to officials or polls what they really think, as it is most likely illegal, e.g. too may Indians at work. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2022 7:37:38 GMT
And yet the way that UC is structured it actually encourages people not to work full time.
An anomaly in the welfare programme means someone on Universal Credit could receive a total income of nearly £45,000 a year for doing the equivalent of two days’ work in a low-paid job.
To take home the same amount after tax, someone not on benefits would have to earn nearly £62,000 a year.
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 10, 2022 8:45:00 GMT
I don't think this is anything new. There has always been young (and older) people who just sit at home. If their parents are dumb enough to allow it what can you do? I agree it's longstanding as a result of the Labour administration making benefits a financially viable lifestyle choice for many who don't fancy waking up to an alarm clock 5 days a week . The introduction of a benefit cap by the coalition (and following admins) didn't go low enough to coerce the terminally lazy to get out of bed if they want to eat. There are far too many two and three generation families perfectly happy to live on benefits from the fruit of another's labours. Maybe a time limit on benefits would work , benefits can only be claimed for a maximum of 3/5 years for those of working age? Indeed. I remember that it was under Blair that the majority of people became net beneficiaries of the welfare system, i.e. most people in the UK now pay less in tax than they receive as benefits. And the income tax system became just an exercise in redistributing pay to the lower paid, i.e. the govt had no net receipts from income tax. And the number of benefits ballooned - including the ludicrous "tax credits" which basically subsidise employers who pay very low wages. And time-limited benefits are used in many countries I believe. I used to work in Wisconsin some years ago and they introduced "Workfare" which basically limited the time you could claim benefits. I think it was 1 year - after which they had to take a job (if fit to work) at whatever pay they were offered. They didn't tolerate people who claimed benefits because they were higher than the pay they could get from working. Which I think is the attitude we should have too. And it seemed to work. When people have to work or sleep on the park bench it's remarkable how many seem to choose to work. Yet we have over 5 million people who are economically inactive. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 10, 2022 8:55:39 GMT
Mods: Is there any way that I can block a tiresome forum member? Some forums have this feature and it's very useful when people follow you around posting crap. There is. It's in the profile of the person you wish to block. It's only available to members with no testicles though. Highly amusing, not. And I don't think that's a very sensible attitude for a so-called moderator. Stupid people who post nonsense all over every thread rapidly destroy threads - and forums. I've no problem with a sensible debate but when it just descends to calling anyone who disagrees with you racist" or a "bigot" there should be some defence. And the simplest way to do it is to just allow people to block posts from the morons. There was a poster on the last forum (kim) who basically made it pointless to bother posting until she was banned. I think she's come back here under another name. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 10, 2022 10:58:05 GMT
There is. It's in the profile of the person you wish to block. It's only available to members with no testicles though. Highly amusing, not. And I don't think that's a very sensible attitude for a so-called moderator. Stupid people who post nonsense all over every thread rapidly destroy threads - and forums. I've no problem with a sensible debate but when it just descends to calling anyone who disagrees with you racist" or a "bigot" there should be some defence. And the simplest way to do it is to just allow people to block posts from the morons. There was a poster on the last forum (kim) who basically made it pointless to bother posting until she was banned. I think she's come back here under another name. If you feel like you are being followed around use the report function. If you can't find the block option it's on the profile page in the settings wheel top right of the page. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 13:16:01 GMT
Highly amusing, not. And I don't think that's a very sensible attitude for a so-called moderator. Stupid people who post nonsense all over every thread rapidly destroy threads - and forums. . . Oh do stop rabbiting on about the man in your mirror |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 10, 2022 13:58:26 GMT
And yet the way that UC is structured it actually encourages people not to work full time. An anomaly in the welfare programme means someone on Universal Credit could receive a total income of nearly £45,000 a year for doing the equivalent of two days’ work in a low-paid job.
To take home the same amount after tax, someone not on benefits would have to earn nearly £62,000 a year.
I have never met anyone in my life getting £45 grand a year off benefits. Maybe that is an asylum seeker with ten children. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 10, 2022 14:38:30 GMT
And yet the way that UC is structured it actually encourages people not to work full time. An anomaly in the welfare programme means someone on Universal Credit could receive a total income of nearly £45,000 a year for doing the equivalent of two days’ work in a low-paid job.
To take home the same amount after tax, someone not on benefits would have to earn nearly £62,000 a year.
I have never met anyone in my life getting £45 grand a year off benefits. Maybe that is an asylum seeker with ten children. I had to sign on during lockdown. They shut down TV and film production and closed the pubs and restaurants so I had very little work. I got £100 a week. No one is living the life of Riley on Universal credit. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 10, 2022 15:11:32 GMT
I have never met anyone in my life getting £45 grand a year off benefits. Maybe that is an asylum seeker with ten children. I had to sign on during lockdown. They shut down TV and film production and closed the pubs and restaurants so I had very little work. I got £100 a week. No one is living the life of Riley on Universal credit. I understand there is a rule that says for that money you agree to spend up to 35 hours looking for or dong work. In fact I think it would be hard to survive off it with all the prices going up. |
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