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Post by Ripley on Oct 28, 2024 14:11:15 GMT
Just remember, all these people that are saying Trump is a threat to democracy happily lied about the state of Biden's health and covered up his corruption to help him with the Presidency. To top it off, now they are backing a candidate that avoided the democratic process to become the Democrats nomination lol. Harris is utter garbage, and everybody knows it, but they have to lie to continue the lies they told to install Biden. Why... because finger pointers cannot stand it when the finger is pointed at them so they double down on their virtue signaling to avoid scrutiny. Biden is still functioning as president. Had he been unable to do that because of his health, a much easier path to the presidency for Kamala Harris would have been to invoke the 25th Amendment, which would have catapulted her into the White House. Of course, she'd have had to succeed in proving that Biden was mentally unfit. Harris did not become the party nominee through the usual Primary process. However there is more than one democratic process to the party nomination, and she won more than the requisite number of delegate votes because no-one challenged her candidacy. I don't know if you're aware that years ago, when Hillary Clinton was the Democrat party nominee, the party was slapped with a class action lawsuit because they had provided Clinton with some advantages over a very popular rival, Bernie Sanders, whose supporters were furious. In the ensuing court trial, the party successfully argued that they'd be within their legal right to choose their nominee in a back room whilst smoking cigars, if they wanted to. They won their case. This is very troubling to me because it essentially means that Primary votes don't have to count unless the party approves of the outcome. The party is, in fact, legally entitled to choose their own nominee. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 29, 2024 4:14:33 GMT
Just remember, all these people that are saying Trump is a threat to democracy happily lied about the state of Biden's health and covered up his corruption to help him with the Presidency. To top it off, now they are backing a candidate that avoided the democratic process to become the Democrats nomination lol. Harris is utter garbage, and everybody knows it, but they have to lie to continue the lies they told to install Biden. Why... because finger pointers cannot stand it when the finger is pointed at them so they double down on their virtue signaling to avoid scrutiny. Biden is still functioning as president. Had he been unable to do that because of his health, a much easier path to the presidency for Kamala Harris would have been to invoke the 25th Amendment, which would have catapulted her into the White House. Of course, she'd have had to succeed in proving that Biden was mentally unfit. Harris did not become the party nominee through the usual Primary process. However there is more than one democratic process to the party nomination, and she won more than the requisite number of delegate votes because no-one challenged her candidacy. I don't know if you're aware that years ago, when Hillary Clinton was the Democrat party nominee, the party was slapped with a class action lawsuit because they had provided Clinton with some advantages over a very popular rival, Bernie Sanders, whose supporters were furious. In the ensuing court trial, the party successfully argued that they'd be within their legal right to choose their nominee in a back room whilst smoking cigars, if they wanted to. They won their case. This is very troubling to me because it essentially means that Primary votes don't have to count unless the party approves of the outcome. The party is, in fact, legally entitled to choose their own nominee. Harris is shit, that is why they let Biden run again until the Presidential debate destroyed his chances. If Biden had backed out earlier there is no way Harris would have won the nomination, because she is utter shit and that would have been exposed during the debates... just like it was last time. In a way it is hilarious that they made her VP as the ultimate diversity hire, and now they are stuck with her lol. Yes I do know that the parties can ignore the delegate votes... the threat of doing just that is how they got rid of Biden. |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2024 15:15:13 GMT
Biden is still functioning as president. Had he been unable to do that because of his health, a much easier path to the presidency for Kamala Harris would have been to invoke the 25th Amendment, which would have catapulted her into the White House. Of course, she'd have had to succeed in proving that Biden was mentally unfit. Harris did not become the party nominee through the usual Primary process. However there is more than one democratic process to the party nomination, and she won more than the requisite number of delegate votes because no-one challenged her candidacy. I don't know if you're aware that years ago, when Hillary Clinton was the Democrat party nominee, the party was slapped with a class action lawsuit because they had provided Clinton with some advantages over a very popular rival, Bernie Sanders, whose supporters were furious. In the ensuing court trial, the party successfully argued that they'd be within their legal right to choose their nominee in a back room whilst smoking cigars, if they wanted to. They won their case. This is very troubling to me because it essentially means that Primary votes don't have to count unless the party approves of the outcome. The party is, in fact, legally entitled to choose their own nominee. Harris is shit, that is why they let Biden run again until the Presidential debate destroyed his chances. If Biden had backed out earlier there is no way Harris would have won the nomination, because she is utter shit and that would have been exposed during the debates... just like it was last time. In a way it is hilarious that they made her VP as the ultimate diversity hire, and now they are stuck with her lol. Yes I do know that the parties can ignore the delegate votes... the threat of doing just that is how they got rid of Biden. Traditionally, it is the prerogative of an incumbent president to choose whether or not to run for re-election, so unless they could successfully invoke the 25th Amendment, there was no way that the party could eject President Biden as long as he wanted to run. He did want to run, and for a long time the party wanted that too because they believed he could beat Trump, having beaten him once before. What convinced Biden to withdraw his candidacy was when the big donors abandoned him and he finally saw that this seriously jeopardised his chances of winning. I think that if he had withdrawn a lot sooner, we might have seen some challengers emerge, but he withdrew very late in the process, when no-one really had time to put together a campaign at such short notice. At that point, the VP was in the best position to win the nomination, and even she did not have as much name recognition as more time would have conferred. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2024 8:45:36 GMT
It's not our election, they should not get involved.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2024 14:05:39 GMT
It's not our election, they should not get involved. I don't know how they imagine they're doing any good anyway. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2024 14:27:14 GMT
It's Labour, they believe in their own righteousness.
Me, I don't like either candidate but I'm not going off to the USA on a stupid ego driven crusade.
Nobody who seeks power can be trusted with it.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2024 16:29:13 GMT
It's Labour, they believe in their own righteousness. Me, I don't like either candidate but I'm not going off to the USA on a stupid ego driven crusade. Nobody who seeks power can be trusted with it. I was really questioning the usefulness of the effort and the extent to which American voters would be influenced by a bunch of outsiders who know next to nothing about local politics. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2024 22:20:42 GMT
They don't even understand British politics.
They thought centrist Rishi Sunak was a fascist.
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Post by borgr0 on Oct 30, 2024 23:35:28 GMT
Biden is still functioning as president. That's arguable. That's why they're keeping him out of view and his comments about Trump supporters being "garbage" have actually been disavowed by Kamala, they see him as a liability for their campaign I won't condemn them and I Know less about both USA politics AND UK politics than the average toddler, let alone anyone else and am far worse than all the comments about me and them - and the activists mean well But Biden, while well intentioned and a good president, like all presidents before him, is considered not really in power here and most do not consider him 'functioning'. He is very old so that's understandable and I am much less functional |
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Post by borgr0 on Oct 30, 2024 23:37:04 GMT
Foreign intervention in everyone's politics happens all the time, including American activists coming over to the UK and making comments and doing things with stuff here. Pompeo vowed never to allow Corbyn to enter No 10 Downing Street for example, they've also sent GOP activists over to here to help the Tories in the past.
Maybe they could do with some professionalisation, I could offer nothing myself and would never be an activist - too incompetent, but not true for others
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