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Post by ginnyg2 on Oct 19, 2024 9:16:06 GMT
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/first-batch-of-migrants-sent-to-albania-must-be-returned-italian-court-rules/ar-AA1sxH4E?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=76d3df7f383a4444a21081126dc5c19b&ei=14The ruling is a a key hurdle in the administration’s plan to outsource some of its migrant processing to Albania. The 12 migrants were part of the first batch of 16 migrants to be sent to the two centres that opened last week under a five-year deal to host 3,000 migrants per month picked up by the Italian coast guard, to vet them for possible asylum in Italy or to be sent back to their countries. However, each migrant’s detention must be reviewed by special migration courts in Italy under Italian law, and on Friday a court in Rome rejected the detention of 12 of the migrants arguing that they cannot be sent back to their countries or origin -- Bangladesh and Egypt -- because the court did not deem the countries to be safe enough. The four other migrants already had been rejected by centre staff as vulnerable after undergoing health and other screenings. The verdict represents an early stumbling block in the arrangement between Italy and Albania that the government of Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has hailed as a new “model” to handle illegal migration.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 19, 2024 11:02:59 GMT
The ECJ ruling that the judges followed means that there is not a single country in Africa that is considered safe to return illegal migrants to. So the entire population of Africa could come to Europe and would be allowed to stay...
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Post by ginnyg2 on Oct 19, 2024 12:35:58 GMT
The ECJ ruling that the judges followed means that there is not a single country in Africa that is considered safe to return illegal migrants to. So the entire population of Africa could come to Europe and would be allowed to stay... So if Africa was then unoccupied it would be safe to return, yes? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2024 13:06:05 GMT
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/first-batch-of-migrants-sent-to-albania-must-be-returned-italian-court-rules/ar-AA1sxH4E?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=76d3df7f383a4444a21081126dc5c19b&ei=14The ruling is a a key hurdle in the administration’s plan to outsource some of its migrant processing to Albania. The 12 migrants were part of the first batch of 16 migrants to be sent to the two centres that opened last week under a five-year deal to host 3,000 migrants per month picked up by the Italian coast guard, to vet them for possible asylum in Italy or to be sent back to their countries. However, each migrant’s detention must be reviewed by special migration courts in Italy under Italian law, and on Friday a court in Rome rejected the detention of 12 of the migrants arguing that they cannot be sent back to their countries or origin -- Bangladesh and Egypt -- because the court did not deem the countries to be safe enough. The four other migrants already had been rejected by centre staff as vulnerable after undergoing health and other screenings. The verdict represents an early stumbling block in the arrangement between Italy and Albania that the government of Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has hailed as a new “model” to handle illegal migration. ...' However, each migrant’s detention must be reviewed by special migration courts in Italy under Italian law'...
Change the law. Laws are not carved in stone. Laws are man made, they can and often are change amended or scrapped. Laws are not the problem, the problem is 'progressive' left wing politicians who insist laws they agree with cannot be changed. |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Oct 19, 2024 13:46:22 GMT
An attempt to change a law to something approaching common sense would trigger squawks of horror, massive objections, and plans to thwart from the usual suspects.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 19, 2024 13:49:31 GMT
An attempt to change a law to something approaching common sense would trigger squawks of horror, massive objections, and plans to thwart from the usual suspects. LOL the lefty trolls on here would go into meltdown...Diane Abbot would blow a fuse and dippy Rayner wouldn't know what was happening. |
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Post by honestjohn on Oct 19, 2024 14:00:21 GMT
Does this mean Italy is not really a sovereign country?
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Post by jonksy on Oct 19, 2024 14:03:23 GMT
Does this mean Italy is not really a sovereign country? Article 1 of the Italian constitution states: ”Italy is a democratic Republic founded on labour. Sovereignty belongs to the people and is exercised by the people in the forms and within the limits of the constitution.” |
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Post by honestjohn on Oct 19, 2024 14:22:23 GMT
Does this mean Italy is not really a sovereign country? Article 1 of the Italian constitution states: ”Italy is a democratic Republic founded on labour. Sovereignty belongs to the people and is exercised by the people in the forms and within the limits of the constitution.” OK. SO Giorgia Meloni is in charge then. Or perhaps she needs to call a snap election based on who runs the country? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 16:26:33 GMT
Article 1 of the Italian constitution states: ”Italy is a democratic Republic founded on labour. Sovereignty belongs to the people and is exercised by the people in the forms and within the limits of the constitution.” OK. SO Giorgia Meloni is in charge then. Or perhaps she needs to call a snap election based on who runs the country? you are being facetious of course. Countries , all countries share bits of their sovereignty for many reasons. The uk didnt want to share sovereignty with the EU for example in 2016 so voted to leave .Italy could do the same . I think the migrant problem requires bigger cooperation and better thinking. I cant see why the 7 nations who claim territory on Antarctica , cant get together with the rest of the world countries , and using global cooperation build and fund holding pens on Antarctica for illegal migrants. Laws could then be changed at national and international level to stop the interfering of courts in dealing with this massive problem that many nations are facing. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 19, 2024 17:34:37 GMT
Article 1 of the Italian constitution states: ”Italy is a democratic Republic founded on labour. Sovereignty belongs to the people and is exercised by the people in the forms and within the limits of the constitution.” OK. SO Giorgia Meloni is in charge then. Or perhaps she needs to call a snap election based on who runs the country? Well in this case it's the ECJ. The Italian Courts have to follow the rulings of the ECJ under EU Law so it really doesn't matter what any politicians in Italy think or want - they do not decide. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 21, 2024 8:40:36 GMT
This is slightly off-topic but an interesting example of how the legal system and migrants rights operatives are metastasising into a general-purpose instrument for thwarting immigration regulations on a transnational basis. I've been reading an astonishing story of a Nigerian woman who was allegedly trafficked into Spain for prostitution and on whose behalf a local NGO litigated against the Spanish government for failure to safeguard her human rights under the European Convention (ECvHR). After exhausting all domestic legal options, the woman's case was taken to Strasbourg and - this is where it gets interesting - it was litigated by a barrister from a London chamber instructed by the ubiquitous solicitor firm Duncan Lewis. According to a press release from the barrister's chambers, her name is Parosha Chandra, proclaimed as 'UK’s leading anti-slavery lawyer' and the instructing solicitor was Raja Rajeswaran Uruthiravinayagan. A truly transnational operation. And it seemed to work - the woman has been granted compensation. How the operation was financed is not disclosed. www.onepumpcourt.co.uk/news/parosha-chandran-succeeded-today-in-the-european-court-of-human-rights-in-a-unanimous-judgment-against-spain-t-v-v-spain-application-no-22512-21/ |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 27, 2024 21:42:20 GMT
The ECJ ruling that the judges followed means that there is not a single country in Africa that is considered safe to return illegal migrants to. So the entire population of Africa could come to Europe and would be allowed to stay... So if Africa was then unoccupied it would be safe to return, yes? I suppose it might be a fairly swift task for a few SAS guys to do a quick tour exterminating any of the unsafe governments hangers on... |
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