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Post by ratcliff on Oct 30, 2024 17:20:23 GMT
This may be a slight digression but is possibly an explanation as to why this government need to raise so much extra tax. The government are currently spending £30 billion a year on immigrants, a cost that is likely to go up to £40 billion by 2030, and at the moment the cost of every illegal that crosses the channel is £41,000 a year. It should come as no surprise to anyone that this government need an extra £40 billion in tax and plan to borrow £billions more. Don't forget all the one sided massive pay bungs for their union paymasters who will be back next year to book their now annual excessive demands without giving any improvement in productivity or stopping the Spanish practices they thrive on . The Deputy PM is their personal plant
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 30, 2024 17:21:58 GMT
GB News have just shown a clip of Starmer from June this year, the month before the election. He said a Labour government will not raise tax, he said there will be no need to raise tax because all their plans were fully costed. The man is a blatant liar. The electorate should have some right of recourse, an appeal of some sort. This government lied their way into power. They repeated that blatant lie throughout the GE campaign and the stupid labour voters lapped it up
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 30, 2024 17:23:52 GMT
This may be a slight digression but is possibly an explanation as to why this government need to raise so much extra tax. The government are currently spending £30 billion a year on immigrants, a cost that is likely to go up to £40 billion by 2030, and at the moment the cost of every illegal that crosses the channel is £41,000 a year. It should come as no surprise to anyone that this government need an extra £40 billion in tax and plan to borrow £billions more. Don't forget all the one sided massive pay bungs for their union paymasters who will be back next year to book their now annual excessive demands without giving any improvement in productivity or stopping the Spanish practices they thrive on . The Deputy PM is their personal plant Spot on, she's their useful idiot.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2024 17:35:21 GMT
They repeated that blatant lie throughout the GE campaign and the stupid labour voters lapped it up Indeed they did, day after day for weeks leading up to the election all we heard from Starmer was smash the gangs and no tax rises. Yet after three months we have record numbers of illegals crossing the channel, and record tax rises and borrowing announced. And no one other than GB News seems to be talking about it.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2024 18:30:33 GMT
There was one unexpected surprise in the budget, no increase in fuel duty. Many commentators were predicting a 5p to 10p rise. I have every confidence that Milliband and other eco nutters were disappointed.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 30, 2024 18:58:31 GMT
GB News have just shown a clip of Starmer from June this year, the month before the election. He said a Labour government will not raise tax, he said there will be no need to raise tax because all their plans were fully costed. The man is a blatant liar. The electorate should have some right of recourse, an appeal of some sort. This government lied their way into power. As I have stated before its easy to tell when a Politician is lying, their Lips move
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2024 19:22:28 GMT
GB News have just shown a clip of Starmer from June this year, the month before the election. He said a Labour government will not raise tax, he said there will be no need to raise tax because all their plans were fully costed. The man is a blatant liar. The electorate should have some right of recourse, an appeal of some sort. This government lied their way into power. I have spent the last five years telling anyone who would listen that Starmer is a liar. I said he had a track record of lying to electorates then breaking his promises once in place. He did that to Labour Party members to get elected leader. I pointed out that anyone who could so blatantly lie to us, the then party members, was equally capable of lying to the wider electorate then breaking his promises once in office. And so it is proving. As for the budget itself, I believe there is more good than bad in it and it is better than most Tory budgets, and am pleased that fuel duty has not been increased. But this post would be so long that no one would read it if I broke it all down point by point.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 30, 2024 19:29:10 GMT
London's FTSE 100 falls after Labour's first budget...... The UK's FTSE 100 fell to an over two-month low on Wednesday, dragged down by the healthcare sector, while midcap stocks got a lift even as the latest UK budget came with the biggest tax increases in three decades. The blue-chip FTSE 100 fell 0.7% to its lowest level since August 9, weighed down by AstraZeneca and GSK...... The midcap FTSE 250 rose 0.3% as market players deemed the new Labour government's first UK budget to be less punitive on businesses than many had previously feared. Small cap stocks got an even bigger boost. The FTSE AIM index rose about 4%, logging its biggest one-day rally since April 2020. Finance minister Rachel Reeves said she would raise taxes by 40 billion pounds ($52 billion) a year, much of it paid by businesses and the wealthy, and she blamed the Conservatives for leaving her Labour Party with a "black hole" in the budget. "By 2029 fewer people will drift into higher tax bands now that thresholds will be uprated with inflation once again. This tax tweak, coupled with the rise in the minimum wage, will eventually put more money into consumers’ pockets," said Susannah Streeter, head of money and markets, Hargreaves Lansdown. Pub stocks enjoyed a lift after Reeves announced a cut to duties on alcoholic drinks in pubs, and extended England's business rates relief for retail and hospitality. Marstons rose 3.4%......
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 30, 2024 19:57:09 GMT
..."By 2029 fewer people will drift into higher tax bands now that thresholds will be uprated with inflation once again. This tax tweak, coupled with the rise in the minimum wage, will eventually put more money into consumers’ pockets," said Susannah Streeter, head of money and markets, Hargreaves Lansdown... By which point Labour will be getting the boot having trashed the economy.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2024 19:58:08 GMT
I have spent the last five years telling anyone who would listen that Starmer is a liar. I said he had a track record of lying to electorates then breaking his promises once in place. He did that to Labour Party members to get elected leader. I pointed out that anyone who could so blatantly lie to us, the then party members, was equally capable of lying to the wider electorate then breaking his promises once in office. And so it is proving. As for the budget itself, I believe there is more good than bad in it and it is better than most Tory budgets, and am pleased that fuel duty has not been increased. But this post would be so long that no one would read it if I broke it all down point by point. Ref the budget; whether it's seen as good or bad is personal I suppose, it's certainly not going to adversely affect me. But I'm listening to far wiser people than me who say it's not a budget for growth, even Labour commentators are sheepishly conceding the point and saying it's a low growth budget, and without growth the economy will not grow and if the economy doesn't grow then what... borrow more? The long term economic forecast for this typically socialist budget, does not bode well.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2024 20:04:34 GMT
By which point Labour will be getting the boot having trashed the economy. That should take us up to Christmas... ...this year.
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Post by wassock on Oct 30, 2024 20:05:41 GMT
GB News have just shown a clip of Starmer from June this year, the month before the election. He said a Labour government will not raise tax, he said there will be no need to raise tax because all their plans were fully costed. The man is a blatant liar. The electorate should have some right of recourse, an appeal of some sort. This government lied their way into power. I have spent the last five years telling anyone who would listen that Starmer is a liar. I said he had a track record of lying to electorates then breaking his promises once in place. He did that to Labour Party members to get elected leader. I pointed out that anyone who could so blatantly lie to us, the then party members, was equally capable of lying to the wider electorate then breaking his promises once in office. And so it is proving. As for the budget itself, I believe there is more good than bad in it and it is better than most Tory budgets, and am pleased that fuel duty has not been increased. But this post would be so long that no one would read it if I broke it all down point by point. Bad news for businesses. To stimulate growth, you reduce tax, not increase it. NI and minimum wage, more full time roles will just be replaced with part timers to avoid the NI cost, plus, less jobs in general. Then prices will have to increase. In the end, Joe Public suffers. I forsee high street shop closures accelerating. Everyone wants everything for nothing, high street businesses will suffer.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2024 21:14:32 GMT
Something I didn't pick up on at the time, but has just been pointed out by Sir Jacob Reese Mogg on GB News. The Chancellor started her budget speech by stating that it was the first ever budget delivered by a woman. Sir Jacob just said...
...'at least someone in the Labour party knows what a woman is'.
Polite applause lol, well said Sir Jacob.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2024 8:18:16 GMT
I have spent the last five years telling anyone who would listen that Starmer is a liar. I said he had a track record of lying to electorates then breaking his promises once in place. He did that to Labour Party members to get elected leader. I pointed out that anyone who could so blatantly lie to us, the then party members, was equally capable of lying to the wider electorate then breaking his promises once in office. And so it is proving. As for the budget itself, I believe there is more good than bad in it and it is better than most Tory budgets, and am pleased that fuel duty has not been increased. But this post would be so long that no one would read it if I broke it all down point by point. Bad news for businesses. To stimulate growth, you reduce tax, not increase it. NI and minimum wage, more full time roles will just be replaced with part timers to avoid the NI cost, plus, less jobs in general. Then prices will have to increase. In the end, Joe Public suffers. I forsee high street shop closures accelerating. Everyone wants everything for nothing, high street businesses will suffer. Well most businesses are of course not going to be able to just absorb the increased NI burden without in some way adjusting downwards their operating costs or upwards their income streams. These costs will therefore be borne by lower pay rises for employees, lower recruitment levels, or higher prices for consumers, or some combination thereof. There is no such thing as a tax raid on businesses that does not impact upon the rest of us, at least indirectly. That said, with underpaid public sector workers increasingly walking away, public services barely functional, there was a chronic need for more public investment and this does not come without costs. The big three tax revenue streams are VAT, Income Tax and NI. It is difficult to raise large extra sums without using at least one of these, so targeting employers from Labour's perspective looks like the least bad option. Any hit to workers from doing this will be a lot less obvious on their pay slips than if employees NI had been increased. In other words, though working people will still be paying the price in the long run, Labour are banking on many more of them not actually noticing. Typical Labour centrist cynicism. But since the money had to be raised somehow, how else could the £25 billion resulting from this increase have been raised? What alternatives were there? And any suggestions that giving the poor a damned good kicking instead - especially the working ones - would not be persuasive, as this would do more harm than the NI increase is likely to do to those least able to afford it. In my view there was certainly more scope for wealth taxes on the super rich, particularly on immoveable assets like property or land which cannot be shifted abroad or physically hidden. This might have raised a few billion but nowhere near the £25 billion level. So what other alternatives could there have been? A land value tax might well have raised some of it. There was definitely scope for windfall taxes in a few areas but such taxes are one offs by their nature and best used to fund one off expenditures, eg post office scandal compensation. Or one off infrastructure expenditures. That sort of thing. Taxing dividend income at the same rate as taxes on earned incomes would have raised a bit. Because there is a loophole there that can readily be exploited. I know someone who a few years back earned a six figure sum from her own business. But she paid herself minimum wage and took most of her income in the form of a dividend, thereby paying much less tax than you or I would if we had a similar but salaried income. Had some of these things been done, we could at least have hit employers less hard with NI contributions, by raising some of the monies required in these other ways.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2024 8:29:48 GMT
There was one unexpected surprise in the budget, no increase in fuel duty. Many commentators were predicting a 5p to 10p rise. I have every confidence that Milliband and other eco nutters were disappointed. Where I live Alderley Edge the petrol stations make their own prices up, you can pass one day it will be £135.2 then next day it will be £137.2, regardless whether they put fuel up in the budget these petrol stations just go ahead anyway.
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