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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 8:17:47 GMT
Yes its reduced a bit, but in reality the solar panels are tilted towards the sun and create a relatively small shadow. They also tend to be in fields with poor yields, that suffer flooding or have poor soil quality, in many fields in the UK the particles are too fine, caused by years of ploughing, harrowing etc. Its why we are seeing more and more fields being left for a year to allow natural processes to restore them. That relatively small shadow must be the maximum shadow that can be cast as the tilt is to capture the maximum amount of light. They tend to be in fields of poor yield in that specific area or on that particular farm, they may be yields that farms in other areas would kill for. Total whatifery. 0.1% of farmland has solar panels on it. Many farms have land that does not produce profitable crop yields. We used to pay them to keep them fallow, now we don't unless they are registered as a nature reserve at huge cost, fenced off from the public and maintained. So farmers are turning to different ways to make a profit from them. Who are you to say they shouldn't grow electricity. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 8:23:20 GMT
No they wont, they can grow crops on Nitrogen rich fields. They are looking to re-balance the mix. And yes it is about climate change, but that's because the vast majority of people are no longer pretending it doesn't exist, is natural, is harmless. You need to catch up. I suppose you do know that producing DAP is one of the most enviromentally damaging process next to burying nuke waste....
It is produced by treating finely ground rock phosphate with sulfuric acid or by smelting (burning) rock phosphate with coke and silica in an electric furnace and reacting with water.
Indeed, though many farmers are using more environmentally sustainable methods now. Simple things like crop rotation, allowing natural rotting of vegetation, light weight farming vehicles. Most are finding a saving over buying expensive DAP. Many are looking at other ways to use poor quality soil, such as solar farms. Labour are looking at poor quality fields to allow building instead of the one size fits all green belt. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 8, 2024 8:23:23 GMT
That relatively small shadow must be the maximum shadow that can be cast as the tilt is to capture the maximum amount of light. They tend to be in fields of poor yield in that specific area or on that particular farm, they may be yields that farms in other areas would kill for. Total whatifery. 0.1% of farmland has solar panels on it. Many farms have land that does not produce profitable crop yields. We used to pay them to keep them fallow, now we don't unless they are registered as a nature reserve at huge cost, fenced off from the public and maintained. So farmers are turning to different ways to make a profit from them. Who are you to say they shouldn't grow electricity. Who are you say they should? Solar farms will just become toxic wastelands in a few years.. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 8, 2024 8:25:32 GMT
I suppose you do know that producing DAP is one of the most enviromentally damaging process next to burying nuke waste....
It is produced by treating finely ground rock phosphate with sulfuric acid or by smelting (burning) rock phosphate with coke and silica in an electric furnace and reacting with water.
Indeed, though many farmers are using more environmentally sustainable methods now. Simple things like crop rotation, allowing natural rotting of vegetation, light weight farming vehicles. Most are finding a saving over buying expensive DAP. Many are looking at other ways to use poor quality soil, such as solar farms. Labour are looking at poor quality fields to allow building instead of the one size fits all green belt. If you and the other nut zero idiots had your way there would be no cowshit to put on our fields as a manure...After all we don't want cows that fart do we? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 8:28:19 GMT
We should ban cars then. They're the biggest culprit by far. I know BOLLOX, Fuck off Zany. There, I've answered for you. All you ever offer is nothing more than total BOLLOCKS zany....Yet again you avoid the truth about solar and the damage it does to our enviroment.. Solar does no more damage than a million other things we produce, that's why I ignore you. You offer no reasoned comparison. How much damage is done to our environment by mobile phone production. How about all those batteries in your power tools? Why are only electric car batteries bad, but not all the other ones using the same materials and manufacturing processes. You are unbalanced and bias, giving on sentence answers to complex issues. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 8:28:57 GMT
Total whatifery. 0.1% of farmland has solar panels on it. Many farms have land that does not produce profitable crop yields. We used to pay them to keep them fallow, now we don't unless they are registered as a nature reserve at huge cost, fenced off from the public and maintained. So farmers are turning to different ways to make a profit from them. Who are you to say they shouldn't grow electricity. Who are you say they should? Solar farms will just become toxic wastelands in a few years.. Only in your fetid imaginings. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 8, 2024 8:30:33 GMT
You might want to think why houses are so much cheaper in France. Do they have no shortage of materials, no shortage of labour, no immigration? Cheaper where, exactly?
I will grant you that outside of major cities housing tends to be cheaper.
And that's because they have twice the land mass for a similar population.
Land is therefore cheap.
England makes up 40% of the land of the british isles , but has nearly 80 % of the population. France has a population of something like 68 million , compared to england 57 million. England can fit inside France 5 times over. France has expensive areas , like some of the rich suburbs of Paris , or ski resorts like Chamonix , whereas over in western France , like the Marais poitevin , house prices are extremely cheap by comparison to the uk. In Scotlands central belt , which is massively overpopulated similar to Englands south east , if you want to buy a house in a rich suburb of Glasgow or Edinburgh , for example Bearsden or morning side , you will pay a premium as you would in south east england. Contrast that with the thinly populated north of scotland, where you can get a detached council bungalow overlooking the sea such is the lack of people , and you begin to see the pattern and truth of your words that zany appears to be unable to understand. Zany tells me he Is a businessman , yet doesn't appear to understand the basics that the higher the population , the higher the demand for housing ,the higher the price . Thats before we even get onto the fact how much land is needed to sustain human population in terms of food , water , producing energy and such like. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 8, 2024 8:34:50 GMT
All you ever offer is nothing more than total BOLLOCKS zany....Yet again you avoid the truth about solar and the damage it does to our enviroment.. Solar does no more damage than a million other things we produce, that's why I ignore you. You offer no reasoned comparison. How much damage is done to our environment by mobile phone production. How about all those batteries in your power tools? Why are only electric car batteries bad, but not all the other ones using the same materials and manufacturing processes. You are unbalanced and bias, giving on sentence answers to complex issues. You are the one who is struggling zany in trying to defend the nut zero madness...Do you know how much money is creamed off by nut zero fraudsters per annum across the globe? In the USA alone it is over 1 billion dollars per year and the USA don't even have any intention on cutting down on oil gas and coal... |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 8, 2024 8:37:00 GMT
Solar does no more damage than a million other things we produce, that's why I ignore you. You offer no reasoned comparison. How much damage is done to our environment by mobile phone production. How about all those batteries in your power tools? Why are only electric car batteries bad, but not all the other ones using the same materials and manufacturing processes. You are unbalanced and bias, giving on sentence answers to complex issues. You are the one who is struggling zany in trying to defend the nut zero madness...Do you know how much money is creamed off by nut zero fraudsters per annum across the globe? In the USA alone it is over 1 billion dollars per year and the USA don't even have any intention on cutting down on oil gas and coal... Maybe he can give us a rundown on how much power solar farms have produced in the winter months in the UK. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 8, 2024 8:40:57 GMT
Cheaper where, exactly?
I will grant you that outside of major cities housing tends to be cheaper.
And that's because they have twice the land mass for a similar population.
Land is therefore cheap.
England makes up 40% of the land of the british isles , but has nearly 80 % of the population. France has a population of something like 68 million , compared to england 57 million. England can fit inside France 5 times over. France has expensive areas , like some of the rich suburbs of Paris , or ski resorts like Chamonix , whereas over in western France , like the Marais poitevin , house prices are extremely cheap by comparison to the uk. In Scotlands central belt , which is massively overpopulated similar to Englands south east , if you want to buy a house in a rich suburb of Glasgow or Edinburgh , for example Bearsden or morning side , you will pay a premium as you would in south east england. Contrast that with the thinly populated north of scotland, where you can get a detached council bungalow overlooking the sea such is the lack of people , and you begin to see the pattern and truth of your words that zany appears to be unable to understand. Zany tells me he Is a businessman , yet doesn't appear to understand the basics that the higher the population , the higher the demand for housing ,the higher the price . Thats before we even get onto the fact how much land is needed to sustain human population in terms of food , water , producing energy and such like. I think that Zany got lucky in business given his apparent ignorance of basic economics. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 8, 2024 8:42:00 GMT
You are the one who is struggling zany in trying to defend the nut zero madness...Do you know how much money is creamed off by nut zero fraudsters per annum across the globe? In the USA alone it is over 1 billion dollars per year and the USA don't even have any intention on cutting down on oil gas and coal... Maybe he can give us a rundown on how much power solar farms have produced in the winter months in the UK. I doubt it he hasn't got got a clue ...Below is another list of links he will chose to ignore
Solar and wind farms can hurt the environment. A new study offers solutions
The risks of renewables:
Top five risks of wind energy
The Impact of Solar and Wind farms on Homes
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Post by jonksy on Nov 8, 2024 8:48:18 GMT
Who are you say they should? Solar farms will just become toxic wastelands in a few years.. Only in your fetid imaginings. So why are many are nothing more than epic failures in the USA zany?
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 8, 2024 8:51:42 GMT
Here's where I have a problem Ok so there is a field And there are the solar panels set up in it How is the grass going to grow under these panels when they take all the light and leave nothing underneath them for the plants to absorb. Yes, I understand that there will be vegetation around the panels Yes I understand that sheep and maybe even Welsh black cattle might be able to graze on that. The Welsh black is a breed engineered through quite a period of animal husbandry to thrive on poor quality feed on sparse Welsh hills But surely the overall productivity MUST be reduced ... Yes its reduced a bit, but in reality the solar panels are tilted towards the sun and create a relatively small shadow. They also tend to be in fields with poor yields, that suffer flooding or have poor soil quality, in many fields in the UK the particles are too fine, caused by years of ploughing, harrowing etc. Its why we are seeing more and more fields being left for a year to allow natural processes to restore them. Well the thing is I know a bit about solar panels, what with my first job with the ink still drying on my brand new B.Sc being to run a study measuring the efficiency of the version of the ones that heated water, back in 1979... And that included a spell working with rabid cardigan wearing greenards shitting in a hole in the ground to provide compost up at the centre for alternative technology at Machyntlleth. BOY was I pleased grandma taught me enough Welsh to order steak chips and a pint from a local pub running racist.... And I can tell you now, they totally bugger production underneath them. So it wasn't a small reduction. Now as you say, arguably the soil was pretty poor there, but that's why generations of farmers going back to near neolithic times had performed genetic engineering to promote the most efficient way of turning inedible vegetation into fully digestible protein, using a ready made factory on four legs... But where we installed the test rigs, nothing usable grew. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 8, 2024 8:53:08 GMT
All you ever offer is nothing more than total BOLLOCKS zany....Yet again you avoid the truth about solar and the damage it does to our enviroment.. Solar does no more damage than a million other things we produce, that's why I ignore you. You offer no reasoned comparison. How much damage is done to our environment by mobile phone production. How about all those batteries in your power tools? Why are only electric car batteries bad, but not all the other ones using the same materials and manufacturing processes. You are unbalanced and bias, giving on sentence answers to complex issues. Ask the Chinese as they produce the largest number of mobile phones.... When was the last time your dewalt battery decided to burst into flames? Simple zany batteries for power tools are not something that weighs half a ton and are litheum only..
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Post by thomas on Nov 8, 2024 8:55:47 GMT
England makes up 40% of the land of the british isles , but has nearly 80 % of the population. France has a population of something like 68 million , compared to england 57 million. England can fit inside France 5 times over. France has expensive areas , like some of the rich suburbs of Paris , or ski resorts like Chamonix , whereas over in western France , like the Marais poitevin , house prices are extremely cheap by comparison to the uk. In Scotlands central belt , which is massively overpopulated similar to Englands south east , if you want to buy a house in a rich suburb of Glasgow or Edinburgh , for example Bearsden or morning side , you will pay a premium as you would in south east england. Contrast that with the thinly populated north of scotland, where you can get a detached council bungalow overlooking the sea such is the lack of people , and you begin to see the pattern and truth of your words that zany appears to be unable to understand. Zany tells me he Is a businessman , yet doesn't appear to understand the basics that the higher the population , the higher the demand for housing ,the higher the price . Thats before we even get onto the fact how much land is needed to sustain human population in terms of food , water , producing energy and such like. I think that Zany got lucky in business given his apparent ignorance of basic economics. im beginnig to wonder. What was it Richard Branson said famously ,..............that business is 95% perspiration and 5 % inspiration.? This is just all basic stuff though regarding population and housing. im shocked people are still arguing that the majority of the uk isnt built on therefore we can invite the third world over . No wonder the yanks rejected these liberal centrist types big time. Lets hope the population in the uk have learned their lesson from the last general election , where if you stay at home. labour win , and get out and vote accordingly to kick these cunts and their ideas into touch big time. |
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