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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 7, 2024 20:35:34 GMT
Yes, but we still need arable land. Building on every available square metre is not viable. 1% is not every available square metre It's 1% less than is "Needed" and always will be.
As I keep telling you, we can't build our way out of ever increasing over population.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 7, 2024 20:40:55 GMT
Funny you should say that but there are a lot of farmers around here and one of them ( a councillor afaik) that lives near me owns some of the land that the proposed solar farm is going to be built on . He is getting stick for going along with it ..but …he reckons that farming pays shit money and I believe him . He will get a fee or rent first leasing the land and that will help the family pay the bills . Its a bit of an insight living in the hayseeds . As for the inheritance tax , it’s going to shaft a lot of farming families . Net zero will ensure farmers are slowly pushed out of business and behind closed doors governments are on board with it, not just in this country but across Europe. It's been happening for a few years, we're being slowly pushed towards veganism, kids and clueless lefties are brainwashed with bullshit about cows farting pose a threat to humanity, as if eating a nut cutlet could somehow offset China burning 4½ billion tonnes of coal a year or Putin launching nuclear weapons. It's too stupid for words, it's mind boggling. If I were a religious man I would thank god that Trump was back in the Whitehouse, and I sincerely hope he scraps woke and this net zero insanity. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 7, 2024 20:46:28 GMT
Funny you should say that but there are a lot of farmers around here and one of them ( a councillor afaik) that lives near me owns some of the land that the proposed solar farm is going to be built on . He is getting stick for going along with it ..but …he reckons that farming pays shit money and I believe him . He will get a fee or rent first leasing the land and that will help the family pay the bills . Its a bit of an insight living in the hayseeds . As for the inheritance tax , it’s going to shaft a lot of farming families . Net zero will ensure farmers are slowly pushed out of business and behind closed doors governments are on board with it, not just in this country but across Europe. It's been happening for a few years, we're being slowly pushed towards veganism, kids and clueless lefties are brainwashed with bullshit about cows farting pose a threat to humanity, as if eating a nut cutlet could somehow offset China burning 4½ billion tonnes of coal a year or Putin launching nuclear weapons. It's too stupid for words, it's mind boggling. If I were a religious man I would thank god that Trump was back in the Whitehouse, and I sincerely hope he scraps woke and this net zero insanity. He did say 'God saved me for a reason' ... amen. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2024 20:56:12 GMT
Sorry folks off out now. Speak later. Looking forward to picking up the discussion with you tomorrow. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 7, 2024 21:00:30 GMT
Funny you should say that but there are a lot of farmers around here and one of them ( a councillor afaik) that lives near me owns some of the land that the proposed solar farm is going to be built on . He is getting stick for going along with it ..but …he reckons that farming pays shit money and I believe him . He will get a fee or rent first leasing the land and that will help the family pay the bills . Its a bit of an insight living in the hayseeds . As for the inheritance tax , it’s going to shaft a lot of farming families . Net zero will ensure farmers are slowly pushed out of business and behind closed doors governments are on board with it, not just in this country but across Europe. It's been happening for a few years, we're being slowly pushed towards veganism, kids and clueless lefties are brainwashed with bullshit about cows farting pose a threat to humanity, as if eating a nut cutlet could somehow offset China burning 4½ billion tonnes of coal a year or Putin launching nuclear weapons. It's too stupid for words, it's mind boggling. If I were a religious man I would thank god that Trump was back in the Whitehouse, and I sincerely hope he scraps woke and this net zero insanity. Funny you should say that part two. According to the solar farm planners there will be sheep grazing around the solar panels . Not only that but there will be a shit load of ‘ bio diversity’ around too. Around our village there has been a lot of pockets of land planted with different types of plants suitable for bees and butterflies etc .I suspect they could be used to grow crops after the solar panels are erected . I don’t imagine that net zero will stop farms producing meat . There are huge parts of our fields here used to grow ,hay, straw and animal feeds ( as well as biofuel) , its pig , sheep and chicken city out here . One local farm has an emu ! However hopefully Monte will notice and post . He knows a lot about farming stuff. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 7, 2024 21:23:45 GMT
Funny you should say that part two. According to the solar farm planners there will be sheep grazing around the solar panels . Not only that but there will be a shit load of ‘ bio diversity’ around too. Around our village there has been a lot of pockets of land planted with different types of plants suitable for bees and butterflies etc .I suspect they could be used to grow crops after the solar panels are erected . I don’t imagine that net zero will stop farms producing meat . There are huge parts of our fields here used to grow ,hay, straw and animal feeds ( as well as biofuel) , its pig , sheep and chicken city out here . One local farm has an emu ! However hopefully Monte will notice and post . He knows a lot about farming stuff. Bentley, it's not exactly a secret that the EU want to close down farms. Did you miss the farmers protests in Holland, Belgium and France earlier this year. It is also no secret that Starmers left wing government are very pro EU or that Monte is a raving lefty. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 7, 2024 21:28:29 GMT
Sorry folks off out now. Speak later. Oh no you cant be serious, ZG don't go... I don't know how I'm going to cope, do ProBoards provide therapy?.. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 7, 2024 21:34:11 GMT
Sorry folks off out now. Speak later. . I don't know how I'm going to cope, do ProBoards provide therapy?.. I'm fucking gutted Red. He could have at least given us a warning that he was going to be absent. I hate cold Turkey... |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 7, 2024 21:34:29 GMT
Funny you should say that part two. According to the solar farm planners there will be sheep grazing around the solar panels . Not only that but there will be a shit load of ‘ bio diversity’ around too. Around our village there has been a lot of pockets of land planted with different types of plants suitable for bees and butterflies etc .I suspect they could be used to grow crops after the solar panels are erected . I don’t imagine that net zero will stop farms producing meat . There are huge parts of our fields here used to grow ,hay, straw and animal feeds ( as well as biofuel) , its pig , sheep and chicken city out here . One local farm has an emu ! However hopefully Monte will notice and post . He knows a lot about farming stuff. Bentley, it's not exactly a secret that the EU want to close down farms. Did you miss the farmers protests in Holland, Belgium and France earlier this year. It is also no secret that Starmers left wing government are very pro EU or that Monte is a raving lefty. “The European Union has approved controversial plans for the Dutch government to forcibly buy out livestock farms as part of plans to cut nitrogen emissions” Im pretty sure I’ll see pigs , sheep and chickens for a while yet. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 7, 2024 21:48:45 GMT
“The European Union has approved controversial plans for the Dutch government to forcibly buy out livestock farms as part of plans to cut nitrogen emissions” Im pretty sure I’ll see pigs , sheep and chickens for a while yet. I wish I shared your optimism. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 7, 2024 22:14:22 GMT
“The European Union has approved controversial plans for the Dutch government to forcibly buy out livestock farms as part of plans to cut nitrogen emissions” Im pretty sure I’ll see pigs , sheep and chickens for a while yet. I wish I shared your optimism. Us country bumpkins are all optimists. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 8, 2024 0:39:38 GMT
Net zero will ensure farmers are slowly pushed out of business and behind closed doors governments are on board with it, not just in this country but across Europe. It's been happening for a few years, we're being slowly pushed towards veganism, kids and clueless lefties are brainwashed with bullshit about cows farting pose a threat to humanity, as if eating a nut cutlet could somehow offset China burning 4½ billion tonnes of coal a year or Putin launching nuclear weapons. It's too stupid for words, it's mind boggling. If I were a religious man I would thank god that Trump was back in the Whitehouse, and I sincerely hope he scraps woke and this net zero insanity. Funny you should say that part two. According to the solar farm planners there will be sheep grazing around the solar panels . Not only that but there will be a shit load of ‘ bio diversity’ around too. Around our village there has been a lot of pockets of land planted with different types of plants suitable for bees and butterflies etc .I suspect they could be used to grow crops after the solar panels are erected . I don’t imagine that net zero will stop farms producing meat . There are huge parts of our fields here used to grow ,hay, straw and animal feeds ( as well as biofuel) , its pig , sheep and chicken city out here . One local farm has an emu ! However hopefully Monte will notice and post . He knows a lot about farming stuff. Here's where I have a problem Ok so there is a field And there are the solar panels set up in it How is the grass going to grow under these panels when they take all the light and leave nothing underneath them for the plants to absorb. Yes, I understand that there will be vegetation around the panels Yes I understand that sheep and maybe even Welsh black cattle might be able to graze on that. The Welsh black is a breed engineered through quite a period of animal husbandry to thrive on poor quality feed on sparse Welsh hills But surely the overall productivity MUST be reduced ... |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 8, 2024 5:23:32 GMT
Funny you should say that part two. According to the solar farm planners there will be sheep grazing around the solar panels . Not only that but there will be a shit load of ‘ bio diversity’ around too. Around our village there has been a lot of pockets of land planted with different types of plants suitable for bees and butterflies etc .I suspect they could be used to grow crops after the solar panels are erected . I don’t imagine that net zero will stop farms producing meat . There are huge parts of our fields here used to grow ,hay, straw and animal feeds ( as well as biofuel) , its pig , sheep and chicken city out here . One local farm has an emu ! However hopefully Monte will notice and post . He knows a lot about farming stuff. Here's where I have a problem Ok so there is a field And there are the solar panels set up in it How is the grass going to grow under these panels when they take all the light and leave nothing underneath them for the plants to absorb. Yes, I understand that there will be vegetation around the panels Yes I understand that sheep and maybe even Welsh black cattle might be able to graze on that. The Welsh black is a breed engineered through quite a period of animal husbandry to thrive on poor quality feed on sparse Welsh hills But surely the overall productivity MUST be reduced ... I think you are stating the bleedin obvious. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 7:38:52 GMT
In real terms it’s tiny Bentley. 0.1% is solar farms, with a target of 0.3% In real terms 0.3 % is a huge swath of land . I’m not against it as such but it can’t be written off as irrelevant . In reality its 0.3% of an enormous piece of land, that's why it is big. When people talk of overcrowded country they don't realise how much land we are talking about, they imagine towns spreading to join up into a vast patch of concrete. In reality overcrowding means roads full of cars, traffic calming systems, delays, long waits for hospital treatment, packed classrooms, water shortages etc. In other words infrastructure doesn't keep pace with population growth. Land wise we could double the number of houses and not really notice. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 7:40:30 GMT
1% is not every available square metre It's 1% less than is "Needed" and always will be.
As I keep telling you, we can't build our way out of ever increasing over population.
And as I keep replying, I don't want increased population, I just want house prices to fall to a level that the young who live HERE is THEIR country can afford. |
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