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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 19:21:49 GMT
Well good natured banter is not what Andrew experienced on here. Andrea only likes to doll it out and not recieve it like all the lefty trolls...
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 19:23:12 GMT
I never minded being called a chippy, it was a good thing. How about if someone said supervising a team of brickies was a waste of money that could be done by a moron. You and I would both think such a claim was made by someone with no knowledge of the building trade. I don't give a fuck what they call me as long as it's "not late for lunch"... Sometimes I miss the trades and the jokes, mostly not though. I still get involved in the building works as we expand my business, hauling 40 sheets of MDF up 3 flights of stairs is somehow very satisfying. Designing and building gameplay the best part of my job. When I made it to Managing Director I had a year in a nice office doing Mats reports etc. Hated every minute, soon employed someone else to do that shit.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 19:26:28 GMT
Well good natured banter is not what Andrew experienced on here. Andrea only likes to doll it out and not recieve it like all the lefty trolls... I don't see him handing it out. Has he criticised your person life? I do agree that in the trades you get used to piss taking, but not everyone lives in that world. There I go caring again. I know its a weakness.
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Post by Orac on Nov 2, 2024 20:53:35 GMT
I think you may have misinterpreted what i was saying. I didn't say any particular piece of land must be more expensive than another, but rather that any (all) value the government adds will appear in the value of the territory it governs - ie the market value of being in that governanceI did get you, though I wandered off down a different path. Do I think a country/governments worth is based on the value of all its land, ye s in a way among many other things, mostly trust. Our credit score mostly. No. The value of a service you offer is what people will pay to get it, not your credit rating
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 21:02:43 GMT
I did get you, though I wandered off down a different path. Do I think a country/governments worth is based on the value of all its land, ye s in a way among many other things, mostly trust. Our credit score mostly. No. The value of a service you offer is what people will pay to get it, not your credit rating THe value of what you can borrow is based on trust, your credit score
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 22:23:38 GMT
Andrea only likes to doll it out and not recieve it like all the lefty trolls... I don't see him handing it out. Has he criticised your person life? I do agree that in the trades you get used to piss taking, but not everyone lives in that world. There I go caring again. I know its a weakness. YES! According to him and the other lefty shit stirring trolls I am a hard right racists..
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Post by Orac on Nov 3, 2024 7:01:24 GMT
No. The value of a service you offer is what people will pay to get it, not your credit rating THe value of what you can borrow is based on trust, your credit score Okay - but it is not the value of the services your provide
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Post by zanygame on Nov 3, 2024 7:13:21 GMT
THe value of what you can borrow is based on trust, your credit score Okay - but it is not the value of the services your provide Sorry, lost you.
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Post by Orac on Nov 3, 2024 7:22:10 GMT
Okay - but it is not the value of the services your provide Sorry, lost you. I was talking about the value uk government when modeled as a service This value appears in the value of UK territory - not in the UK's credit rating.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 3, 2024 7:24:33 GMT
I was talking about the value uk government when modeled as a service This value appears in the value of UK territory - not in the UK's credit rating. This doesn't make sense. The word service doesn't fit.
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Post by Orac on Nov 3, 2024 7:42:31 GMT
I was talking about the value uk government when modeled as a service This value appears in the value of UK territory - not in the UK's credit rating. This doesn't make sense. The word service doesn't fit. Sure it fits -. Imagine I am a well intentioned, philanthropic multi-billionaire and I buy an island outside any national jurisdiction in order to set up my 'dream society'. I write and publish a system of laws,hire people to enforce the law, provide security and 'collect the bins' . The value of any service i, as the government, provide will appear in the price people will pay to live specifically on my island - (ie under my jurisdiction)
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Post by zanygame on Nov 3, 2024 8:07:26 GMT
This doesn't make sense. The word service doesn't fit. Sure it fits -. Imagine I am a well intentioned, philanthropic multi-billionaire and I buy an island outside any national jurisdiction in order to set up my 'dream society'. I write and publish a system of laws,hire people to enforce the law, provide security and 'collect the bins' . The value of any service i, as the government, provide will appear in the price people will pay to live specifically on my island - (ie under my jurisdiction) Got it thanks. Yes I agree. The land value reflects the amount someone is prepared to pay to live in the UK. That value is increased/decreased by the society the government creates. But I believe there is a far larger determinant on the price of that land and that is how much of it is for sale to build on. We know very many people would be happy to pay the taxes in this country and move here (God knows how much we have to spend keeping them out) But our government has invited millions of them to join us but without freeing up the land for them to live on. It is my view that the landowners are influencing our government to artificially keep the value of land high.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2024 8:55:52 GMT
My friend is less likely to be lying to me than you are. Your adherence to lefty dogma and ongoing ignorant comment is simply mind-blowing You must be a very gullible person The only mind-blowing thing around here is your malicious ignorance, and obvious right wing dogma divorced from reality
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Post by Orac on Nov 3, 2024 8:57:09 GMT
Sure it fits -. Imagine I am a well intentioned, philanthropic multi-billionaire and I buy an island outside any national jurisdiction in order to set up my 'dream society'. I write and publish a system of laws,hire people to enforce the law, provide security and 'collect the bins' . The value of any service i, as the government, provide will appear in the price people will pay to live specifically on my island - (ie under my jurisdiction) Got it thanks. Yes I agree. The land value reflects the amount someone is prepared to pay to live in the UK. That value is increased/decreased by the society the government creates. But I believe there is a far larger determinant on the price of that land and that is how much of it is for sale to build on. We know very many people would be happy to pay the taxes in this country and move here (God knows how much we have to spend keeping them out) But our government has invited millions of them to join us but without freeing up the land for them to live on. It is my view that the landowners are influencing our government to artificially keep the value of land high. On your first paragraph This was my point here. I feel relieved you have taken my words as an attempt to communicate an idea rather than attempt to make you look wrong (ie a debate). My point was very limited On your second paragraph This is what i call (or can be called) the monopoly dimension of land price. It's the explanation for the price of land that comes from the fact that, unlike other services and goods, you can't add or move land where it is wanted. The only circumstances in which land doesn't have this as a significant explanation of price is a frontier situation in which there is a lot of available land and very little infrastructure. In fact, to put it in a simpler way, the only circumstances in which land doesn't hold this monopoly dimension of price is where the price is zero. Think about it - the only reason you would pay a high price to be near a school and public transport is because there is no way for an alternative provider to move extra land in to that situation for a lower price. The people holding land in the situation have a kind of monopoly in that you logically can't replace these people with anyone else. This is why i think the planning angle is a bit true but not very true. If you were to release greenbelt land into development, the 'new land' would take on a value reflective of government and the surrounding infrastructure (ie the price of surrounding land), rather than bring the price of surrounding land down. It may be a bit of both, but far more the former than the latter. The net result would be an absolute bonanza for the rich, Landon being surrounded by migrant flats full of Africans / Asians and everyone's standard of living falling (except the landowners who would buy their own islands). On your third paragraph. The way to solve this without corruption would be to set a democratically decided quota and allow potential immigrants to bid against each other for those positions and for the resulting revenues to be put into government services. This would stop the corruption because all the value of UK society that is currently being collected privately would be pre-collected publicly and so there is no part of the price people are willing to pay left to collect privatelyOn your last paragraph - I agree. However, this is a giant corrupt beast that extends into government itself.
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 3, 2024 8:58:43 GMT
Your adherence to lefty dogma and ongoing ignorant comment is simply mind-blowing You must be a very gullible person The only mind-blowing thing around here is your malicious ignorance, and obvious right wing dogma divorced from reality Aww, how sweet. How was the Hamas festival this weekend?
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