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Post by ratcliff on Oct 19, 2024 11:03:24 GMT
If it wasn't so serious it would be funny. We have the highest levels of taxation, national debt and public spending since WW2, with the result that growth is stagnating. Labours answer is even higher taxes and more debt and public spending... Labour thinks that increasing spending on state employment and the client state is growth It's a problem lefties with no experience of working in the private sector generally have - they don't comprehend that governments have no money of their own to spend - only the money deducted in taxes from the private sector. A private sector business in straightened circumstances doesn't employ vast numbers of extra staff , put its prices up or award huge pay rises - it tightens its belt and concentrates on survival Government spending should be reduced by a minimum of 30% |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 19, 2024 11:13:33 GMT
Maybe stop kidding yourselves finally, it doesn't matter who you think you are voting for be honest with yourselves your voice means nothing and you get the same thing just worded differently.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2024 11:30:52 GMT
It will be far more disastrous than Liz Truss, yet we wont have all the theatricals, and over the top reacting like we did with hers. If it is bad as expected I think there will be a very bad reaction to say the least I don't think Labour are bothered about a bad reaction, in-fact I imagine it's expected. The attitude from number 10 will be... ... batten down the hatches and ignore criticism, we've got five years, laugh out loud.I wonder how many deluded lefties now regret voting for this freebie grabbing pensioner bashing anti British socialist one term government. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 19, 2024 11:36:52 GMT
If it is bad as expected I think there will be a very bad reaction to say the least I don't think Labour are bothered about a bad reaction, in-fact I imagine it's expected. The attitude from number 10 will be... ... batten down the hatches and ignore criticism, we've got five years, laugh out loud.I wonder how many deluded lefties now regret voting for this freebie grabbing pensioner bashing anti British socialist one term government. They will reap what they have sown at the end of the day, I do fear for my kids and grandchildren's future and good friends back in the UK |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2024 12:02:27 GMT
If it is bad as expected I think there will be a very bad reaction to say the least I don't think Labour are bothered about a bad reaction, in-fact I imagine it's expected. The attitude from number 10 will be... ... batten down the hatches and ignore criticism, we've got five years, laugh out loud.I wonder how many deluded lefties now regret voting for this freebie grabbing pensioner bashing anti British socialist one term government. I agree, Starmer doesn't give a flying fuck about what people think, he's got no apathy, or compassion for what he is about to inflict on the very people he promised to 'level up', he is targeting those very people who he conned in to voting for him, he's got top job now and he's going to treat everyone with the same arrogance and contempt, he thinks he's there for the next five years and no one can do anything about it ..... WRONG..... I believe he will be kicked out with a vote of no confidence by his own party, they will be fed up of taking the flak from the public, lots of Labour MPs are now greeted with BOOOOOOOs |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2024 12:12:54 GMT
I agree, Starmer doesn't give a flying fuck about what people think, he's got no apathy, or compassion for what he is about to inflict on the very people he promised to 'level up', he is targeting those very people who he conned in to voting for him, he's got top job now and he's going to treat everyone with the same arrogance and contempt, he thinks he's there for the next five years and no one can do anything about it ..... WRONG..... I believe he will be kicked out with a vote of no confidence by his own party, they will be fed up of taking the flak from the public, lots of Labour MPs are now greeted with BOOOOOOOs I think Starmer has far more compassion for foreigners than he has for British people, the fact that he claims the government is broke then gives Africa £11.6 billion to 'help with climate change' is testament to that. But yes you're right, being unpopular with the elctorate is one thing, but if he loses the confidence of his own backbenchers he will be out, and I believe he will be less than a twelve month prime minister. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2024 12:20:41 GMT
I agree, Starmer doesn't give a flying fuck about what people think, he's got no apathy, or compassion for what he is about to inflict on the very people he promised to 'level up', he is targeting those very people who he conned in to voting for him, he's got top job now and he's going to treat everyone with the same arrogance and contempt, he thinks he's there for the next five years and no one can do anything about it ..... WRONG..... I believe he will be kicked out with a vote of no confidence by his own party, they will be fed up of taking the flak from the public, lots of Labour MPs are now greeted with BOOOOOOOs I think Starmer has far more compassion for foreigners than he has for British people, the fact that he claims the government is broke then gives Africa £11.6 billion to 'help with climate change' is testament to that. But yes you're right, being unpopular with the elctorate is one thing, but if he loses the confidence of his own backbenchers he will be out, and I believe he will be less than a twelve month prime minister. Agree, he's in his element when he's rubbing shoulders with the EU elite, it's the only time you actually see him smile, the main reason he wanted to be Prime Minister was to tie us back up with the EU, and he knew that's the only way he could do it, he will spend every day in office rewriting Brexit, it is the only thing he is interested in, he will bend over backwards to appease them, and sell the UK out in the process. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 19, 2024 12:21:46 GMT
As Churchill said: “I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.”
A lesson that Labour have never learned.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 19, 2024 16:06:53 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Oct 19, 2024 19:52:01 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2024 20:51:25 GMT
Mrs R and I have diesel cars, I expect this poxy government are going to hit us hard. But we're lucky, having two cars is an extravagance not a necessity so if at some point one has to go so be it. The people I feel sorry for are the poor buggers who drive petrol/diesel cars not because they want to but because they need a reliable economical car to commute to work in order to keep a roof over their heads, yet they are being priced off the road, even though they cant afford an electric car. This has not been thought through. |
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 19, 2024 21:08:56 GMT
Whatever they do we have to protect ourselves . I know many small businesses and sole traders who are preparing to become self unemployed and move into the black market .
If Ginger bird is going to build 1.5 million houses she is going to have to pay cash .
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Post by jonksy on Oct 19, 2024 21:23:40 GMT
Whatever they do we have to protect ourselves . I know many small businesses and sole traders who are preparing to become self unemployed and move into the black market .If Ginger bird is going to build 1.5 million houses she is going to have to pay cash . Many of my bricky mates are stating the same thing and will pull out of building sites for houses and do private jobs for cash... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 20, 2024 10:18:31 GMT
Whatever they do we have to protect ourselves . I know many small businesses and sole traders who are preparing to become self unemployed and move into the black market . If Ginger bird is going to build 1.5 million houses she is going to have to pay cash . Rayner was hoping to bung her house building mates tens of millions of tax payers money, I looked in to this affordable housing con, Redrow built 400 homes on prime Greenbelt land, 30 of which had to be allocated for 'affordable housing/social housing' on new builds.
This is how the scam works ..
They offer a house at below market value for 'affordable housing'
The deal is not done through Redrow but through a third party 'with no connection to Redrow'
So let's say a typical new Build Redrow house is £380,000
The below market value will be say £335,000
Here's where the con comes in ...
They wont sell it to you cash right out, you have to purchase either 75% 40% or 25% of the property on a buy-to-rent scheme and pay rent according to the percentage you put down. The landlord is the private affordable housing association.
So the scam is these 30 so called affordable homes are not affordable at all, unless you can afford to purchase a percentage of the house, the cheapest rents are roughly £500 a month based on the 75% ownership. It is not social housing or affordable, this is the loophole the likes of Redrow are using, to get round the planning laws on social/affordable housing ....... BIG FAT CON.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 20, 2024 12:42:59 GMT
It will be far more disastrous than Liz Truss, yet we wont have all the theatricals, and over the top reacting like we did with hers. If it is bad as expected I think there will be a very bad reaction to say the least Which is why it wont. I think they are targeting those who hardly pay any tax and offshore it all to a tax haven. It would bring economic benefit if they do ensure all businesses pay the same rate of tax as it increases competition. National insurance was dropped as a voter enticement, so it would be back to normal sooner or later.
Generally though, I'm of the view that general business tax rises will affect their level of growth, but they do tend to over-egg it as they think we got to save ourselves as much as we can.
The thing is with money is it always ends up somewhere. You take it out of business means you lose the opportunity you would have had to grow that money at the rate of growth of your business world, which is not a lot. However as the government spends that money it is also a form of investment. Lets say they build a much-needed road and that saves countless hours of waiting in traffic jams. Your payback on the investment is the time people save and in that time they can do useful work. So in effect you take it out of one investment account paying so much interest and plonk it in another with a different interest rate, which can even be negative. Whether this is a good or bad move depends on whether the government can achieve a higher return than the private sector. I'd say the jury is still out on that one. We have a government still under test.
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