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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2024 0:13:30 GMT
Death to Kulaks!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 8:23:10 GMT
Well my friends are far more reliable and honest than you are, informed as you seem to be more by malice than actual experience. You complain about the shite service you get from HMRC. And your solution is to sack a load of them and pay the rest even less. And yet you labour under the comical delusion that this will somehow make things better. Laughable drivel. If the public sector is such an easy place to work and so much better than the private, I really do need to ask the obvious question. Why are you not working in it? Well my friends are far more reliable and honest than you areYou have absolutely no idea what my experience , knowledge , honesty or reliability is so you are making idiotic assumptions just because you appear to believe ( as a Tesco worker) that someone who works for the DWP is beyond reproach and isn't spinning you a yarn when they tell you that they think they are hardworking . Maybe they are more productive compared to the low productivity of the average public sector worker , maybe they aren't . The fact remains - as a Tesco worker your tax is funding their job . They contribute nothing. My friend is less likely to be lying to me than you are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 8:33:28 GMT
Frankly the notion that real terms pay has not been cut in the public sector is totally untrue. Remember all those pay freezes? They are real terms pay cuts unless you have zero inflation which we never have had. And below inflation increases are also real terms pay cuts. This has resulted in a recruitment and retention crisis with real terms pay - ask TSM - some 20 percent lower than in 2010. Labour has recognised what you and others fail to. That this had to be reversed, though it cannot be done all in one go. The graph you post is dishonest since it does not measure real terms pay by allowing for inflation. Well you can go back to 2000 - Public Sector wages rose faster than the private sector, did not fall as much during the financial crisis and failed to fall at all during the pandemic. The idea that the Public Sector is hard done by is a myth - a guaranteed job is worth money. When people in the private sector were suffering pay cuts and job losses in 2020 the Public Sector sailed on unaffected. Can you explain using easy to understand logic how year on year pay freezes and below inflation pay rises can be anything other than a real terms pay cut? Anyone working in the public sector or who knows anyone working in the public sector knows you are speaking out of your arse. Here are some actual facts... www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/civil-service-pay-governments-ability-deliver
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 2, 2024 8:41:27 GMT
Well you can go back to 2000 - Public Sector wages rose faster than the private sector, did not fall as much during the financial crisis and failed to fall at all during the pandemic. The idea that the Public Sector is hard done by is a myth - a guaranteed job is worth money. When people in the private sector were suffering pay cuts and job losses in 2020 the Public Sector sailed on unaffected. Can you explain using easy to understand logic how year on year pay freezes and below inflation pay rises can be anything other than a real terms pay cut? Anyone working in the public sector or who knows anyone working in the public sector knows you are speaking out of your arse. Here are some actual facts... www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/civil-service-pay-governments-ability-deliverCompare with the private sector - the public sector does not work in a vacuum. Job security has a value of its own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 8:42:42 GMT
It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the penny to drop, the leftie establishment of the OBR and the Bank of England did everything they could to scupper Truss, they blamed her for their own failures and talked the Tories out of Government. It is now readily apparent to even the most politically indifferent that this Government is inept, driven by Marxist dogma, untruthful and completely out of their depth, it will remain to be seen how long the leftie establishment will go along with all this before their support withers away. Labour are useless and destructive, we had that demonstrated to us in the 1970s and again now, it will be interesting to see some swift backtracking from those that did all they could to shaft the Tory Government. Labour is indeed fortunate in who their opponents are. Because only the appalling Tories can make Labour look like an improvement - at least to those of us having to earn a living as opposed to those whingeing from the comfort of their armchairs all day.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 8:44:21 GMT
I was hoping for a glimpse of the sunlight uplands from the budget, maybe not jam today, but at least someone putting the saucepan on the stove.
But despite listening to 3 days of analysis I can find nothing.
It seems our customers feel the same. Our sales have fallen from 69% of expected to 58% of expected.
If this government wants to rebuild public services by growing the economy they really need to give some hope to the public.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 8:50:55 GMT
Also on farmers, I just heard someone say, and I quote... ..." this government wont be happy until there's just one huge state owned farm and everyone is forced to queue for their potatoes". Classic socialism. Typical of right wingers today. The dark imaginings of their gullible brains is considered more factual than actual facts, which explains why the right far more readily buys into obvious bollocks conspiracy theories than the left. Too many of you are not grounded in reality. Whilst I have qualms about inheritance taxes on family farms above a certain value - they are functioning businesses often with low margins - and are only worth so much because of the land they occupy - I confidently predict that we will never have a single state owned farm, nor will we be queuing for potatoes unless as a result of some kind of global potato blight.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 2, 2024 8:50:57 GMT
I was hoping for a glimpse of the sunlight uplands from the budget, maybe not jam today, but at least someone putting the saucepan on the stove. But despite listening to 3 days of analysis I can find nothing. It seems our customers feel the same. Our sales have fallen from 69% of expected to 58% of expected. If this government wants to rebuild public services by growing the economy they really need to give some hope to the public. What do you care, you have the Tories out, you have replaced it with the same thing, it really shouldn't be such a surprise. The establishment haven't gone anywhere.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2024 8:57:18 GMT
I was hoping for a glimpse of the sunlight uplands from the budget, maybe not jam today, but at least someone putting the saucepan on the stove. But despite listening to 3 days of analysis I can find nothing. It seems our customers feel the same. Our sales have fallen from 69% of expected to 58% of expected. If this government wants to rebuild public services by growing the economy they really need to give some hope to the public. Well you voted for it.
Enjoy.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 9:09:39 GMT
I was hoping for a glimpse of the sunlight uplands from the budget, maybe not jam today, but at least someone putting the saucepan on the stove. But despite listening to 3 days of analysis I can find nothing. It seems our customers feel the same. Our sales have fallen from 69% of expected to 58% of expected. If this government wants to rebuild public services by growing the economy they really need to give some hope to the public. What do you care, you have the Tories out, you have replaced it with the same thing, it really shouldn't be such a surprise. The establishment haven't gone anywhere. I'm not interested in this aspect of the conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 9:10:10 GMT
I was hoping for a glimpse of the sunlight uplands from the budget, maybe not jam today, but at least someone putting the saucepan on the stove. But despite listening to 3 days of analysis I can find nothing. It seems our customers feel the same. Our sales have fallen from 69% of expected to 58% of expected. If this government wants to rebuild public services by growing the economy they really need to give some hope to the public. It depends on who you are and what your situation is. If you need to travel a lot as part of your business operation or need to commute by car to and from work, the fact that the expected hefty fuel duty increase did not happen is a major plus. If you are on low pay, especially if you are under 21, the big rises in minimum wages looks pretty hopeful to you as it does to me. Continuing to freeze thresholds though for another four years and claiming this as a virtue because they are not doing it for even longer, hits us all rather hard. There is hope that the extra money for infrastructure investment and for the NHS might start helping in due course, and that the planned overhaul of planning laws will kick start more housebuilding. And big reductions in the discount for right to buy are a positive because they were forcing social landlords to sell at a massive loss which made new social housing construction economically unfeasible. This had to change and offers hope to all those languishing on housing waiting lists. If you work in the public sector as some of my friends do, there is hope that your pay will not continue to be cut in real terms year on year and that the recruitment and retention crisis will begin to ease. So there is genuine hope for some, though probably not so much for you. As a minimum wage employer, the big minimum wage increase is going to be a concern for you especially when added to the large increases in employers' NI contributions. I have qualms about the wisdom of the latter for sure. Many employers will simply pass these costs on to their employees as lower pay rises or to their customers as higher prices. But minimum wage employers do not have lower pay rises as an option and risk losing too many customers if they raise prices. It would have been difficult to raise so much money in other ways, but at least some of it could have been raised by modest extra taxes on wealth, particularly immoveable assets like land or property. After all, whilst the average billionaire could easily move himself and his money out of the country, he would struggle to get his London penthouse or country mansion on a ship or a plane to transport elsewhere.
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Post by Orac on Nov 2, 2024 9:10:23 GMT
Can you explain using easy to understand logic how year on year pay freezes and below inflation pay rises can be anything other than a real terms pay cut? Anyone working in the public sector or who knows anyone working in the public sector knows you are speaking out of your arse. People take real terms pay cut when productivity reduces. This is easy enough to explain - if you produce less, then everyone has to get less because you can't give people stuff that hasn't been produced
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 9:11:09 GMT
I was hoping for a glimpse of the sunlight uplands from the budget, maybe not jam today, but at least someone putting the saucepan on the stove. But despite listening to 3 days of analysis I can find nothing. It seems our customers feel the same. Our sales have fallen from 69% of expected to 58% of expected. If this government wants to rebuild public services by growing the economy they really need to give some hope to the public. Well you voted for it.
Enjoy.
How long before you start addressing the current reality.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 2, 2024 9:15:27 GMT
What do you care, you have the Tories out, you have replaced it with the same thing, it really shouldn't be such a surprise. The establishment haven't gone anywhere. I'm not interested in this aspect of the conversation. The facts you mean, that you are no more important than anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 9:15:45 GMT
What do you care, you have the Tories out, you have replaced it with the same thing, it really shouldn't be such a surprise. The establishment haven't gone anywhere. I'm not interested in this aspect of the conversation. I don't think any sensible people are. The increasingly widespread problem we have with many right wingers - here as everywhere else - is they want us to debate some fake reality or conspiracy theory they choose to believe in but which in fact is obvious nonsense to most intelligent people. Best ignored. I do a lot of ignoring on this forum, lol
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