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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 16, 2024 11:01:57 GMT
Never in a million years will the tories deport a million people , not even half that . It would be bollocks anyway as letting two million in would cover what in their eyes would be a loss Vote Reform and get Anderson on the case youtu.be/BgWUB-MpgsI?si=rg919tErKRwpMto0Look at how things progressed with the EU. First it was all UKIP, later on the Express came in and then Tories started saying the same thing. It's just the way politics works. Often they insult you by saying you are a complete nutter first, and eventually they end up saying it was their idea all along.
My view is even if Jenrick is into the right ideas, the party he belongs to have conclusively demonstrated they need their heads looking at. Recall the gambling episode before the election. It reminded me of running a party full of badly behaved children. They can't even behave, never mind perform a useful function.
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 16, 2024 19:04:22 GMT
Farage is a capitalist, capitalism needs cheap labour, Farage is not going to deport anyone. All The Best Illegals don't wok they are put up in hotels.....We have some illegals that work but those are from those that slipped under the net.... Even if it were trye that Illegals don't work (and it isn't) they drive up costs and impact the availability of public services. And once granted leave to remain they apply downward pressure on wages and working conditions. Both of which are beneficial to investment capitlaists. Hence, Farage won't deport even 10,000 illegals. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 16, 2024 19:05:42 GMT
Farage is a capitalist, capitalism needs cheap labour, Farage is not going to deport anyone. All The Best What has capitalism and cheap labour got to do with immigration and deporting anyone ? If you can't make that link for yourself then you are not sufficiently equipped to engage in this debate. All The Best |
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 16, 2024 20:20:13 GMT
What has capitalism and cheap labour got to do with immigration and deporting anyone ? If you can't make that link for yourself then you are not sufficiently equipped to engage in this debate. All The Best If you can't read the whole sentence let alone the whole post in its context and reply accordingly then I'm thinking likewise . You obviously realised the debate had gone beyond your comprehension and tried to find a cheap shot . You failed . |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 17, 2024 12:26:09 GMT
Jenrick says he will pull out of the ECHR to stop the legal beavers trying to stop deportations.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 17, 2024 12:45:40 GMT
Jenrick says he will pull out of the ECHR to stop the legal beavers trying to stop deportations. He has the right idea. The alternative is to hand all our tax money to lawyers, which by the way, are often immigrants themselves. Try it yourself if you like. Pretend to be an immigrant for five minutes and imagine you are being deported and need a lawyer. Just try Google and once you see a law firm, see what its address is and the faces of those who work there and the faces of the partners. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2024 13:20:26 GMT
Farage is a capitalist, capitalism needs cheap labour, Farage is not going to deport anyone. All The Best The Tories didn't deport anyone, Labour aren't deporting anyone. I'll take my chances with Reform and Farage. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 17, 2024 17:09:08 GMT
Jenrick says he will pull out of the ECHR to stop the legal beavers trying to stop deportations. Germany, France etc are in the ECHR, and they still manage to deport illegals. The ECHR is NOT the problem. Adherence to a low-wage, failing capitalist economic model is. Of course, absent the the ECHR workers in this country would lose entitlement to sick pay, holiday pay, maternity and bereavement leave etc. Which is precisely why this attack on the ECHR has been very carefully stage-managed. In effect what is happening here is an attempt to "fire and rehire" our rights and protections. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 17, 2024 17:12:11 GMT
Farage is a capitalist, capitalism needs cheap labour, Farage is not going to deport anyone. All The Best The Tories didn't deport anyone, Labour aren't deporting anyone. I'll take my chances with Reform and Farage. More fool you. Didn't Farage's truck load of lies about Brexit clue you in to the fact he's a grifter, a charlatan, and a liar? Of course neither Labour nor the Conservatives made any real attempt to deport anyone (even though they could, the ECHR does NOT prevent the deportation of illegals); they are both wedded to a dysfunctional version of late-stage capitalism they relies entirely on a low-wage economy (except of course for executives and investment bankers). All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2024 17:34:12 GMT
More fool you. Didn't Farage's truck load of lies about Brexit clue you in to the fact he's a grifter, a charlatan, and a liar? Of course neither Labour nor the Conservatives made any real attempt to deport anyone (even though they could, the ECHR does NOT prevent the deportation of illegals); they are both wedded to a dysfunctional version of late-stage capitalism they relies entirely on a low-wage economy (except of course for executives and investment bankers). All The Best It's hardly a secret that Labour will not cut immigration, and we've been listening to Tory politicians saying they will cut immigration since 2010. When it comes to immigration we all know the Tories failed and Labour will fail. The only unknown is Reform UK and Farage. What 'truck load of lies' are you talking about? Farage wasn't even an MP. When it comes to Brexit, Starmer demanded a second referendum and May, Johnson and Sunak failed to 'get Brexit done'. In spite of the referendum their actions proved beyond any doubt that they were never enthusiastic Brexiteers. It's been just three months since Labour won the election, yet they're becoming more unpopular by the day, and that's before the budget. According to a pollster I just listened to, if there was an election today Reform UK would likely win c28/29 seats. I've previously said that Reform are very unlikely to threaten Lab or the Tories in 2029, but if their popularity continues to grow, who knows. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 17, 2024 17:37:09 GMT
More fool you. Didn't Farage's truck load of lies about Brexit clue you in to the fact he's a grifter, a charlatan, and a liar? Of course neither Labour nor the Conservatives made any real attempt to deport anyone (even though they could, the ECHR does NOT prevent the deportation of illegals); they are both wedded to a dysfunctional version of late-stage capitalism they relies entirely on a low-wage economy (except of course for executives and investment bankers). All The Best It's hardly a secret that Labour will not cut immigration, and we've been listening to Tory politicians saying they will cut immigration since 2010. When it comes to immigration we all know the Tories failed and Labour will fail. The only unknown is Reform UK and Farage. What 'truck load of lies' are you talking about? Farage wasn't even an MP. When it comes to Brexit, Starmer demanded a second referendum and May, Johnson and Sunak failed to 'get Brexit done'. In spite of the referendum their actions proved beyond any doubt that they were never enthusiastic Brexiteers. It's been just three months since Labour won the election, yet they're becoming more unpopular by the day, and that's before the budget. According to a pollster I just listened to, if there was an election today Reform UK would likely win c28/29 seats. I've previously said that Reform are very unlikely to threaten Lab or the Tories in 2029, but if their popularity continues to grow, who knows. Brexit called for us to leave the EU. We have left the EU. Yet somehow "Brexit didn't get done"? All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2024 17:47:09 GMT
Brexit called for us to leave the EU. We have left the EU. Yet somehow "Brexit didn't get done"? All The Best The UK may have left the EU on paper, just to keep the hoi polloi quiet. But what about Northern Ireland? Sovereign UK territory effectively handed to the EU, how the hell is that getting Brexit done? And you know very well that Starmer will be, in-fact is, an EU rule taker. Brexit, what Brexit? This pro EU government wont reverse Brexit, they will just ignore it. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 17, 2024 18:09:28 GMT
Brexit called for us to leave the EU. We have left the EU. Yet somehow "Brexit didn't get done"? All The Best The UK may have left the EU on paper, just to keep the hoi polloi quiet. But what about Northern Ireland? Sovereign UK territory effectively handed to the EU, how the hell is that getting Brexit done? And you know very well that Starmer will be, in-fact is, an EU rule taker. Brexit, what Brexit? This pro EU government wont reverse Brexit, they will just ignore it. The Northern Ireland issue was to ensure - as requested by both Northern Ireland and the Republic Of Ireland - that there was no hard-border between the two. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 20, 2024 13:34:36 GMT
Germany, France etc are in the ECHR, and they still manage to deport illegals. The ECHR is NOT the problem... True. But then they don't have a “Human Rights” industry, backed up by a left wing judiciary, set up by Tony B'liar so that his missus could make a few bob. Adherence to a low-wage, failing capitalist economic model is... No, there's plenty of low wage workers in France and Germany – and mainly foreigners, too. Of course, absent the the ECHR workers in this country would lose entitlement to sick pay, holiday pay, maternity and bereavement leave etc. LOL! Not that old chestnut: The usual suspects were telling the same lies when we left the EU. It didn't happen then either. We had all of those rights before, they are not ensured by the ECHR or indeed EU membership. Which is precisely why this attack on the ECHR has been very carefully stage-managed... Attack, LOL! The Tories have absolutely no intention of pulling out of the ECHR. In effect what is happening here is an attempt to "fire and rehire" our rights and protections. What an absolute load of bollocks.  |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 20, 2024 13:39:04 GMT
Germany, France etc are in the ECHR, and they still manage to deport illegals. The ECHR is NOT the problem... True. So we HAVE established that the ECHR is not the problem. Great. All The Best |
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