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Post by Rebirth on Oct 13, 2024 12:21:13 GMT
the longer he stays in power , hopefully the more he damages labour .  What’s the best thing Labour have done so far?
43% nothing yet or only negative, including 22% of Labour voters.
It’s really not going well.Starmer's first 100 days are doing everything he said he wouldn't just so he could get elected ........ he's a con artist fraud. The people can and should inform government that they no longer authorise them to govern. The country could be shut down tomorrow if people got together. |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 13, 2024 12:24:34 GMT
In 2010 George Osborne warned Parliament that if we did not follow his policies, we would end up in a situation similar to Greece, and in 2013 the UK Credit Rating was cut BECAUSE OF HIS POLICIES. im no fan of former tory chancellor George Osbourne , but its laughable labour supporters slagging him off with the legacy bequeathed to the incoming tory/liberal coalition government by crash gordon and Tony Blair. On top of that , we currently have a labour chancellor who cant fill out a tax return for herself , and claimed expenses for help in doing so , while the rest of us mere mortals have to either do them ourselves, or pay for an accountant out of our own pockets.  The huge deficit of early 2010 was as a direct result of the very deep recession of 2008-2009, and I think you know that. To suggest that it was as a result of any policy or policies of Gordon Brown is to detract from the truth and from reality. The government at the time borrowed to support the economy, support jobs and to ward off the worst effects of both the WORLD WIDE financial crisis and WORLD WIDE recession. Its precisely the same as what the governments of other countries did who were badly affected by the crisis, and to be fair to the Tories, its also what they did during the Pandemic. I see absolutelly no problem what so ever in MP's claiming exprnses for qualified accountants in order to stay on the right side of the rules. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2024 12:35:10 GMT
im no fan of former tory chancellor George Osbourne , but its laughable labour supporters slagging him off with the legacy bequeathed to the incoming tory/liberal coalition government by crash gordon and Tony Blair. On top of that , we currently have a labour chancellor who cant fill out a tax return for herself , and claimed expenses for help in doing so , while the rest of us mere mortals have to either do them ourselves, or pay for an accountant out of our own pockets. The huge deficit of early 2010 was as a direct result of the very deep recession of 2008-2009, and I think you know that. To suggest that it was as a result of any policy or policies of Gordon Brown is to detract from the truth and from reality. The government at the time borrowed to support the economy, support jobs and to ward off the worst effects of both the WORLD WIDE financial crisis and WORLD WIDE recession. Its precisely the same as what the governments of other countries did who were badly affected by the crisis, and to be fair to the Tories, its also what they did during the Pandemic. I see absolutelly no problem what so ever in MP's claiming exprnses for qualified accountants in order to stay on the right side of the rules. The deep recession of 2008 was caused in large part by new labour policy , to which gordon brown later admitted , that his lax regulation of the banking sector , coupled with his ignorance of how intertwined banking was , contributed massively to the enfolding crises. Its pitiful that poor ignorant fools like yourself and the other cult member see 2 spend so much of your time futile trying to re write history into making brown out to be merely the poor unfortunate who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. This myth and excuse seems to be a habit of every labour administration I can think of at every level , wether they are bankrupting Glasgow Birmingham or croydon or Liverpool , severely hamstringing devolved governance , or causing financial crashes at uk level , its always someone or something else to blame. It's beyond argument Osbourne inherited a shitshow from labour . Just as Salmond inherited a shitshow in 2007 at Holyrood. if reeve cant fill out tax return how can we expect her to run the uk economy? Why cant she use her own money like the rest of us who pay for accountants? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2024 12:38:05 GMT
im no fan of former tory chancellor George Osbourne , but its laughable labour supporters slagging him off with the legacy bequeathed to the incoming tory/liberal coalition government by crash gordon and Tony Blair. On top of that , we currently have a labour chancellor who cant fill out a tax return for herself , and claimed expenses for help in doing so , while the rest of us mere mortals have to either do them ourselves, or pay for an accountant out of our own pockets. The government at the time borrowed to support the economy, support jobs and to ward off the worst effects of both the WORLD WIDE financial crisis and WORLD WIDE recession. you also left hundreds of billions of pounds of needless incompetently negotiated PFI debt on the books for future governments and administrations at various level to deal with. |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 13, 2024 12:49:26 GMT
The huge deficit of early 2010 was as a direct result of the very deep recession of 2008-2009, and I think you know that. To suggest that it was as a result of any policy or policies of Gordon Brown is to detract from the truth and from reality. The government at the time borrowed to support the economy, support jobs and to ward off the worst effects of both the WORLD WIDE financial crisis and WORLD WIDE recession. Its precisely the same as what the governments of other countries did who were badly affected by the crisis, and to be fair to the Tories, its also what they did during the Pandemic. I see absolutelly no problem what so ever in MP's claiming exprnses for qualified accountants in order to stay on the right side of the rules. The deep recession of 2008 was caused in large part by new labour policy , to which gordon brown later admitted , that his lax regulation of the banking sector , coupled with his ignorance of how intertwined banking was , contributed massively to the enfolding crises. Its pitiful that poor ignorant fools like yourself and the other cult member see 2 spend so much of your time futile trying to re write history into making brown out to be merely the poor unfortunate who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. This myth and excuse seems to be a habit of every labour administration I can think of at every level , wether they are bankrupting Glasgow Birmingham or croydon or Liverpool , severely hamstringing devolved governance , or causing financial crashes at uk level , its always someone or something else to blame. It's beyond argument Osbourne inherited a shitshow from labour . Just as Salmond inherited a shitshow in 2007 at Holyrood. if reeve cant fill out tax return how can we expect her to run the uk economy? Why cant she use her own money like the rest of us who pay for accountants? You just re-wrote history Are you saying that it was merely a coincidence that many nations suddenly encountered a financial crisis followed by a deep recession just at the same time as the UK did, and that in this country it was the fault of the government. ? What Gordon Brown actually stated was that you cannot do financial regulation effectively without international co-operation. PFI is of course a different argument, and nothing to do with the financial crash which resulted in the recession, but just for the record, PFI is not "On Book" debt, it is not included in Government Borrowing. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2024 12:51:20 GMT
Latest polling has labour losing durham north to reform uk, and in total losing 23 seats in england and Wales to farages party. It's also the first time in 2 half years labour havent had a polling lead over the tories....  |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2024 12:53:55 GMT
The deep recession of 2008 was caused in large part by new labour policy , to which gordon brown later admitted , that his lax regulation of the banking sector , coupled with his ignorance of how intertwined banking was , contributed massively to the enfolding crises. Its pitiful that poor ignorant fools like yourself and the other cult member see 2 spend so much of your time futile trying to re write history into making brown out to be merely the poor unfortunate who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. This myth and excuse seems to be a habit of every labour administration I can think of at every level , wether they are bankrupting Glasgow Birmingham or croydon or Liverpool , severely hamstringing devolved governance , or causing financial crashes at uk level , its always someone or something else to blame. It's beyond argument Osbourne inherited a shitshow from labour . Just as Salmond inherited a shitshow in 2007 at Holyrood. if reeve cant fill out tax return how can we expect her to run the uk economy? Why cant she use her own money like the rest of us who pay for accountants? You just re-wrote history Are you saying that it was merely a coincidence that many nations suddenly encountered a financial crisis followed by a deep recession just at the same time as the UK did, and that in this country it was the fault of the government. ? What Gordon Brown actually stated was that you cannot do financial regulation effectively without international co-operation. PFI is of course a different argument, and nothing to do with the financial crash which resulted in the recession, but just for the record, PFI is not "On Book" debt, it is not included in Government Borrowing. Are you denying that the financial services authority said labour had to take a large share of the blame for the banking crises in the uk in 2008 , with their light touch regulation , and that brown later apologised  ? FSA says Labour leadership had encouraged it to take a 'light touch' on banks and must take share of blame for financial crisis Labour's lax regulation of the City contributed to the collapse of Royal Bank of Scotland and allowed the former bosses of the bank, including Sir Fred Goodwin, to walk away without being disciplined, according to the Financial Services Authority.
In a long-awaited report into the RBS scandal, Lord Turner, chairman of the FSA, said the regulator had been encouraged to take a "light touch" by Labour and that its creator, Gordon Brown, had left it with a "structural flaw".
Turner, who said the public had a right to be "absolutely furious" about the banking crisis, cited demands by Tony Blair, Brown and Ed Balls that the financial district be allowed to be competitive.
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2024 12:59:03 GMT
The deep recession of 2008 was caused in large part by new labour policy , to which gordon brown later admitted , that his lax regulation of the banking sector , coupled with his ignorance of how intertwined banking was , contributed massively to the enfolding crises. Its pitiful that poor ignorant fools like yourself and the other cult member see 2 spend so much of your time futile trying to re write history into making brown out to be merely the poor unfortunate who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. This myth and excuse seems to be a habit of every labour administration I can think of at every level , wether they are bankrupting Glasgow Birmingham or croydon or Liverpool , severely hamstringing devolved governance , or causing financial crashes at uk level , its always someone or something else to blame. It's beyond argument Osbourne inherited a shitshow from labour . Just as Salmond inherited a shitshow in 2007 at Holyrood. if reeve cant fill out tax return how can we expect her to run the uk economy? Why cant she use her own money like the rest of us who pay for accountants? PFI is of course a different argument, and nothing to do with the financial crash which resulted in the recession, but just for the record, PFI is not "On Book" debt, it is not included in Government Borrowing. I know perfectly well what PFI is , and how it works , by allowing new labour to needlessly borrow enormous amounts of money , mainly under incompetent contracts , and the vast swathes of debt they built up are passed on for decades for future administrations to pick up the tab . Thats why they were so beloved of blair and brown , and why starmer incredibly and reeve are said to be mulling them over once again. The off book debt still has to be paid for sid. Numerous reports have pointed out labours massive PFI debt has crippled the public sector in the uk ever since they were last booted out of power.  |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2024 13:08:46 GMT
A Labour council, operating under a Labour Scottish Executive and a Labour government at Westminster, needed to spend £150m on its schools, but rather than use a small fraction of the effectively free money that was sitting around unspent in the Executive’s coffers, signed off on a PFI contract that would cost Scottish taxpayers £729m to do the exact same job.Bumbling incompetence is one thing. But if we were the current Scottish Government we’d have police crawling all over North Lanarkshire trying to find out how anything so self-evidently insane, and such an utterly criminal waste of taxpayers’ money, was ever allowed to happen. And when we found out, we’d want to see some bodies hanging from Motherwell lamp-posts before the sun went down www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/north-lanarkshire-council-announces-worst-ever-1333544 Clear example of the massive damage to the public sector the labour parties incompetent PFI contracts , in just one single Scottish council area , never mind scotland or uk wide , left with mass job losses and severe cuts to spending.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 13, 2024 13:15:12 GMT
To say or suggest that the Financial Crisis would not have hit the UK, or that the government of the day could have somehow built a Fire Wall is not true.
Even if the financial crisis had not hit us at all, an idea from science fiction, the very fact that most of Europe and the United States then went into a deep recession meant that the UK could not possibly escape the recession, with, or without financial regulation.
The demise of RBS and Northern Rock etc did not directly affect the people as much as the recession that followed did.
Gordon Brown shored up the banks by nationalising them and pouring money into them, and all of that money is now paid back to the tax payer (The Treaury).
No matter what Brown did with banking regulation, the recession would still have come, and borrowing would still have gone up, as it did in other nations, and people who bend the truth would today still claim it was all Gordon Browns fault.
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2024 13:23:56 GMT
To say or suggest that the Financial Crisis would not have hit the UK, or that the government of the day could have somehow built a Fire Wall is not true. Even if the financial crisis had not hit us at all, an idea from science fiction, the very fact that most of Europe and the United States then went into a deep recession meant that the UK could not possibly escape the recession, with, or without financial regulation. The demise of RBS and Northern Rock etc did not directly affect the people as much as the recession that followed did. Gordon Brown shored up the banks by nationalising them and pouring money into them, and all of that money is now paid back to the tax payer (The Treaury). No matter what Brown did with banking regulation, the recession would still have come, and borrowing would still have gone up, as it did in other nations, and people who bend the truth would today still claim it was all Gordon Browns fault. you accuse me of re writing history. Where did I say the financial crises would or would not have hit the uk? What I was pointing out are the facts that we know. I repeat to you labour apologised for their role in the financial crises in the uk in 2008 , and brown , the FSA and many others pointed out labours light touch regulation of the banking industry , fuelled by greed , contributed to the financial crises. You talked also about labour under starmer needing to repair public finances , and when I pointed out for example Osbourne had exactly the same issue after the disaster that was the last new labour government in 2010 , and pointed out the mess laboursPFI had left public sector finances in , once again , you run away demanding we dont talk about PFI , or claiming it wasnt labour , a big boy did it and ran away. It's laughable listening to your excuses , and feeble attempts to re write history , in labours favour. With the small amount of the uk electorate who voted labour , coupled with the current polls , I would argue not many folk are listening to you sid. Your party is a bunch of incompetent shysters , and their historical record , especially economically , is woeful. We are all sitting waiting with baited breath to see the damage reeve and starmer is about to further inflict on the uk when they announce labours tax and spend autumn budget. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 13, 2024 13:24:32 GMT
A Labour council, operating under a Labour Scottish Executive and a Labour government at Westminster, needed to spend £150m on its schools, but rather than use a small fraction of the effectively free money that was sitting around unspent in the Executive’s coffers, signed off on a PFI contract that would cost Scottish taxpayers £729m to do the exact same job.Bumbling incompetence is one thing. But if we were the current Scottish Government we’d have police crawling all over North Lanarkshire trying to find out how anything so self-evidently insane, and such an utterly criminal waste of taxpayers’ money, was ever allowed to happen. And when we found out, we’d want to see some bodies hanging from Motherwell lamp-posts before the sun went down www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/north-lanarkshire-council-announces-worst-ever-1333544 Clear example of the massive damage to the public sector the labour parties incompetent PFI contracts , in just one single Scottish council area , never mind scotland or uk wide , left with mass job losses and severe cuts to spending. I can't wait to hear the Labour excuses, they've always used the reset button 'It's the Tories fault, blame the Tories, it's the Tories mess' .... LOL they will need to come up with a new cliche |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 13, 2024 13:30:37 GMT
A Labour council, operating under a Labour Scottish Executive and a Labour government at Westminster, needed to spend £150m on its schools, but rather than use a small fraction of the effectively free money that was sitting around unspent in the Executive’s coffers, signed off on a PFI contract that would cost Scottish taxpayers £729m to do the exact same job.Bumbling incompetence is one thing. But if we were the current Scottish Government we’d have police crawling all over North Lanarkshire trying to find out how anything so self-evidently insane, and such an utterly criminal waste of taxpayers’ money, was ever allowed to happen. And when we found out, we’d want to see some bodies hanging from Motherwell lamp-posts before the sun went down www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/north-lanarkshire-council-announces-worst-ever-1333544 Clear example of the massive damage to the public sector the labour parties incompetent PFI contracts , in just one single Scottish council area , never mind scotland or uk wide , left with mass job losses and severe cuts to spending. I can't wait to hear the Labour excuses, they've always used the reset button 'It's the Tories fault, blame the Tories, it's the Tories mess' .... LOL they will need to come up with a new cliche I bet labours office for constructed bullshit are working over time... |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2024 13:38:08 GMT
A Labour council, operating under a Labour Scottish Executive and a Labour government at Westminster, needed to spend £150m on its schools, but rather than use a small fraction of the effectively free money that was sitting around unspent in the Executive’s coffers, signed off on a PFI contract that would cost Scottish taxpayers £729m to do the exact same job.Bumbling incompetence is one thing. But if we were the current Scottish Government we’d have police crawling all over North Lanarkshire trying to find out how anything so self-evidently insane, and such an utterly criminal waste of taxpayers’ money, was ever allowed to happen. And when we found out, we’d want to see some bodies hanging from Motherwell lamp-posts before the sun went down www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/north-lanarkshire-council-announces-worst-ever-1333544 Clear example of the massive damage to the public sector the labour parties incompetent PFI contracts , in just one single Scottish council area , never mind scotland or uk wide , left with mass job losses and severe cuts to spending. I can't wait to hear the Labour excuses, they've always used the reset button 'It's the Tories fault, blame the Tories, it's the Tories mess' .... LOL they will need to come up with a new cliche The scale of labours incompetence with PFI in scotland deserves a thread of its own. It's still being paid for by Scottish taxpayers all these years later. Its just laughable though listening to sid defending the antics of new labour last time around , never mind the disastrous start this time. We all know that brown was chancellor for ten years before the financial crash , and that many critics blame his policies , implemented over that time , for largely contributing to the financial crash. All the deregulation in the financial services sector , and the practice of dodgy risky lending , began largely on his watch . To somehow suggest brown and new labour were innocent bystanders caught up in a global mess of no fault of their own is something only the new labour cultists believe. No wonder that scumbag blair bailed out when he did. Even he saw the writing on the wall..... |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 13, 2024 15:35:52 GMT
Just how many pensioners heating allowances went to pay for just one Council of Nations and Regions (England no longer exists kit is now split into "Regions") including expenses claims. Was Sue Gray paid for not even turning up I wonder? Fury as train guards get a £300 bonus to work five days a week from trade union veteran Louise Haigh - while her allies slam Starmer's rebuke after she almost wrecks £1bn deal for business summit..... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13954821/Train-guards-bonus-work-five-days-week-union-Louise-Haigh.html |
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