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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 11, 2024 14:27:42 GMT
The discovery, made by a National Geographic team 100 years after the mountaineer vanished with George Mallory, could add new clues to one of the great unsolved adventure mysteries of all time. www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/sandy-irvine-body-found-everestClosure for the Irvine family, at last. Mallory and Irvine were pioneers real British hero's. I hope Irvine's camera can be found, it may once and for all settle the mystery over who was the first to summit the world's tallest mountain. Mallory and Irvine in 1924, or Hillary and Tensing in 1953. |
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Post by piglet on Oct 12, 2024 8:32:33 GMT
I watched an up to date video on travelling to mars, within it , the video mocked the question of whether we should or not. it said that exploring, climbing mountains etc was part of being human, its in our genes.
Its not in my genes.
It makes more sense travelling to Mars than climbing a rock, the benefits of a city, or whatever on Mars are immense, what do you get when you get to the top of a mountain?....nothing. A new engine is about to come on line which will cut travelling to Mars far quicker.
As for climbing mountains and dying, it does bring to mind suicide survivors, they all report that in the period of harming themselves and dying, they regret it, and survival is by good fortune.
I wonder what these people think and feel during the period of dying, when they know survival wont happen. If it was me id be thinking i could be drinking a mug of Lavazza, making love, and most importantly, not in a position where death is likely.
I would also feel foolish, not ordinary foolish, but a foolishness so uncommon as to think myself a complete idiot. Is there anyone out there that can identify with these mountaneering morons?
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2024 9:44:01 GMT
I would have thought that knowing who was first to climb the worlds highest mountain was at least, vaguely interesting.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 12, 2024 10:02:11 GMT
I would have thought that knowing who was first to climb the worlds highest mountain was at least, vaguely interesting. I would have thought a successful climb to the summit would also include a successful descent. I can see that first to the top would be a prize worth having but surely it must include getting down again. Shackleton could have gained the South Pole and died on the way back which to my mind would have been a failure. It is the overall trip that makes anything difficult. Amundsen recognised that in 1911. Not denigrating the achievements of Mallory and Irvine just recognising that many climbers could get to the top and die there the trick was in negotiating the dangers of the descent where tiredness and time are not your friend. As I understand it most deaths are on the return journey. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2024 10:21:06 GMT
I would have thought that knowing who was first to climb the worlds highest mountain was at least, vaguely interesting. I would have thought a successful climb to the summit would also include a successful descent. I can see that first to the top would be a prize worth having but surely it must include getting down again. Shackleton could have gained the South Pole and died on the way back which to my mind would have been a failure. It is the overall trip that makes anything difficult. Amundsen recognised that in 1911. Not denigrating the achievements of Mallory and Irvine just recognising that many climbers could get to the top and die there the trick was in negotiating the dangers of the descent where tiredness and time are not your friend. As I understand it most deaths are on the return journey. Not at all. The fact that Mallory and Irvine perished on the mountain is obviously not in question, but there has always been a question mark over whether they fell to their deaths on the ascent or the decent which is why finding Irvine's camera is so important, experts say that due to the cold conditions and modern techniques they would be able to develop the film and it's inconceivable he would not have taken photographs from the summit. Mallory was known to have a photograph of his wife in his wallet which he planned to leave at the summit. In 1999 when his body was found his wallet was intact, but the photograph was missing. There are many eminent people in the climbing world who are of the opinion that it's more than possible, likely even, that Mallory and Irvine died on their decent, which would of course alter history. |
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