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Post by Vinny on Oct 14, 2024 23:17:32 GMT
It's possible to dislike Trump and Biden, and let's not forget Obama a man who threw Ukraine under the bus to appease Putin.
Let's not forget Bush and Blair and Bill Clinton.
All scum.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 15, 2024 9:44:35 GMT
The idea that a nonce can't be a right winger, is nonsense. But when nonces go on about zionists, conspiracy theories and all the kinds of things Dub likes to hear, he will forget its a paedophile telling him this and distracting him. Therefore paedos like Trump, who used to hang out with Epstein, barge in on naked underage girls at his beauty pageants, and has rape allegations against him, enjoy Dub's total support. Paedos like Putin, who lifted a boy's shirt and kissed him in public, and was accused of raping little boys in East Germany by Alexander Litvinenko (who was then murdered with Polonium 210 by thugs linked to the Putin dictatorship), enjoy Dub's wholehearted support too. So are you claiming all my information comes from Internet pedophiles? …. an interesting theory I never considered! 🤣😂😱👏 Yes, there are Republican/Hollywood “nonces” and Zionists who behave like “nazis”. … so it’s not ‘anti-semitic’ to mention it, eh Vinny? When are you going to present your evidence I support murder, rape and pedophilia? … you seem to be inferring that by association?… Nobody here is whitewashing or ignoring Trump/Putin’s sex crimes … where sources are reliable … and don’t have a ‘political agenda’. Where the Deep State suppresses evidence and kills off witnesses and protagonists … naturally, we the Public … are left in the DARK what is REAL … or just Vinny-types/CIA spinning “porky pies. Now you are suggesting everyone who criticises zionists behaving badly… is a ‘nonce’?? … anyone who voted for Putin or Trump - for whatever political reasons unconnected with their sexual preferences …. is a “nonce”? …. and everyone who was photographed with P.Diddy and Epstein … partied with them … is a pedophile? Is it surprising people question your dumb comments? … and don’t take your allegations seriously? ++++++++ In a World where the Establishment FBI/CIA gathers all their evidence through spying and abuse victim statements … surely they have more on Trump than just perving at 16+ pageant girls?? … girls who look older and act older? … of a legal age to marry in some States in the U.S.?? No?…🤔 It’s a bit creepy … but is it Biden, Putin, Will Smith, P. Diddy, James Cordon creepy?? … do you have any evidence yet … besides Epstein island flight logs? … Real rape allegations … at a time Trump was a Democrat … and partying with Zionists and Democrats.?? … with all your evidence Vinny … I’m surprised Trump is still free to contest the White House … ?? Maybe the Deep State is still sitting on your evidence? … like they sat on the evidence the 2020 election was rigged? … and Rep supporters were ‘invited’ by Deep State Agents to enter the Capitol building? … before they ‘deliberately sacrificed’ an ‘expendable’ female police officer. ‘Friendly’ fire? +++++ Let’s be analytical …. I’ve dropped more evidence and facts aliens exist, geo-weathering programmes are real, humans walked with dinosaurs, covid vaccines failed efficacy claims, weather systems support anti-gravity mechanisms and multi-dimensions and giant hominids exist …. than Vinny has supplied here … allegations Trump committed rape of minors. …. Maybe we should wait to see what the Feds sift from the video evidence from Diddy’s house?.🤔 If the CIA wants to drop a bombshell to eradicate the Trump bid for the White House … this is the time to present their evidence … … if they don’t bother … they either haven’t got proof to stop him running … or their 2020 Vote-rigging operation is back up and running. … ready to do their 1am swap with prepped voting slips … and hacked voter machines connected to the Internet … all synched perfectly to match the new numbers. I think things will start ‘swinging’ for the Dems after the VOTE … just like at Diddy’s Party … at 1am!🫣 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2024 11:44:37 GMT
It does not necessarily have to include Trump or anyone else. Nor does it have to exclude him or anyone else. When it comes to such things we cannot include or exclude anyone on the basis of what we think of their politics. We can only draw conclusions based on evidence and there is quite a lot that puts Trump in the company of nonces and when added to his own known derogatory attitude towards females, well let's just say it amounts to enough to harbour suspicions. This is a bizarre tangle - First you specifically highlight that people are not talking about Trump and in a way that suggests that this omission in itself betrays a terrible political bias, then you ironically caution against political bias before coming up with with entirely spurious and vague reasoning to talk about Trump specifically here. To give you an idea how idiotic your reasoning is, have you got a rough estimate of the number of famous people who have been photographed with Epstein? Do you think this is a small number - perhaps five or six people who are all 'probably paedophiles'? Let me put it like this, you would have to be a complete idiot to think this.You will note that Biden hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread once, despite his daughter's diaries containing some very, very odd passages about her and him in the shower together. Why do you think that is? Well, Biden hasn't been convicted and so any references to Biden in a thread about paedophilia would likely just be interpreted as politically motivated smearing and act as an un-resolvable distraction from the conversation itself. Don't you find a bit odd that the people who can't work this out in their heads all dislike Trump? You appear to be the one putting forward the notion of a global conspiracy of powerful nonces that just happens to exclude the ones whose politics you agree with. And for calling that out you accuse me of partisanship. And where have I ever excluded the possibulity of Biden being in on it? Your conspiracy theorising seems suspiciously politically motivated to me which makes it suspect. A global conspiracy of nonces that naturally does not include the people you agree with, Let me put it like this. You would have to be a complete idiot of you think that makes sense. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 15, 2024 12:09:35 GMT
This is a bizarre tangle - First you specifically highlight that people are not talking about Trump and in a way that suggests that this omission in itself betrays a terrible political bias, then you ironically caution against political bias before coming up with with entirely spurious and vague reasoning to talk about Trump specifically here. To give you an idea how idiotic your reasoning is, have you got a rough estimate of the number of famous people who have been photographed with Epstein? Do you think this is a small number - perhaps five or six people who are all 'probably paedophiles'? Let me put it like this, you would have to be a complete idiot to think this.You will note that Biden hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread once, despite his daughter's diaries containing some very, very odd passages about her and him in the shower together. Why do you think that is? Well, Biden hasn't been convicted and so any references to Biden in a thread about paedophilia would likely just be interpreted as politically motivated smearing and act as an un-resolvable distraction from the conversation itself. Don't you find a bit odd that the people who can't work this out in their heads all dislike Trump? You appear to be the one putting forward the notion of a global conspiracy of powerful nonces that just happens to exclude the ones whose politics you agree with. And for calling that out you accuse me of partisanship. And where have I ever excluded the possibulity of Biden being in on it? Your conspiracy theorising seems suspiciously politically motivated to me which makes it suspect. A global conspiracy of nonces that naturally does not include the people you agree with, Let me put it like this. You would have to be a complete idiot of you think that makes sense. All I did was not mention by name anyone who hasn't be convicted of paedophilia related offence. This means i did not specifically mention Trump (who hasn't been convicted of a paedophilia related offence). However, for some reason me doing this struck you as betraying some large political bias. and so - an absence of biased smearing looked like bias to you. All i can do here is lead you to water and wait for the penny to drop. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 15, 2024 12:17:48 GMT
Dub, you've been conned. The people whose lies you've bought into are frauds. And as MrBenn has said of Orac and yourself. You're ok with the idea of conspiracies so long as they don't involve people whose politics you agree with. Inside job terrorism (Russian apartment bombings) in Russia, you ignore, because you like the politics of those who did it. Assassinations of politicians and journalists in Russia, you ignore, because you like the politics of those who did it. Child abuse by Trump or Putin, you ignore, because you like them. Child abuse by Trump's friend Diddy, you accuse everyone you don't like of being in on it, except those you do like. Someone you like could never be bad now could they? Never considered how many Ukrainian kids from Donbas were kidnapped by Putin's Wagner, Rusich and E.N.O.T. Corp mercenaries, did you? No, whilst Ukrainian kids were being raped by Putin and his paedophile ring, you were singing Putin's praises and calling the Ukrainians Nazis. 20 thousand children have been from Ukraine by regular and irregular Russian forces. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_Warwww.dw.com/en/ukraines-abducted-children-the-list-of-suspects-will-grow-longer/a-65117416www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2022/08/05/deporting-ukrainian-children-and-russifying-them-is-jeopardizing-the-future-of-ukraine_5992568_23.htmlHow many of them have been abused by Putin's cronies, and Putin himself? It's not just genocide, it's child abuse. Putin's friend and Diddy's friend Trump is also a paedophile. That's one of the reasons Trump and Putin are such close friends. Putin has dirt on Trump. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2024 15:33:56 GMT
You appear to be the one putting forward the notion of a global conspiracy of powerful nonces that just happens to exclude the ones whose politics you agree with. And for calling that out you accuse me of partisanship. And where have I ever excluded the possibulity of Biden being in on it? Your conspiracy theorising seems suspiciously politically motivated to me which makes it suspect. A global conspiracy of nonces that naturally does not include the people you agree with, Let me put it like this. You would have to be a complete idiot of you think that makes sense. All I did was not mention by name anyone who hasn't be convicted of paedophilia related offence. This means i did not specifically mention Trump (who hasn't been convicted of a paedophilia related offence). However, for some reason me doing this struck you as betraying some large political bias. and so - an absence of biased smearing looked like bias to you. All i can do here is lead you to water and wait for the penny to drop. Of course your very notion of a secret powerful elite of paedophile psychopaths destroying society itself implies that none of them have been convicted of paedophile offences. Otherwise they would not be secret. Yet you seem to have a problem with the very notion of people you agree with being part of it. Of course no one can say for certain that Trump or anyone else is part of it if it exists. And no one can say he isnt. It was not I who first brought Trump into the debate. I believe that was Vinny. But your obvious reluctance to even countenance the suggestion that he might be one of this secret cabal for no other discernible reason than that you like his politics is duly noted. If you think I am an idiot for pointing out this obvious bias, you need to look in the mirror a bit more. Point one. If this secret cabal of powerful psychopathic paedophiles destroying society actually exists, any potentially powerful or influential person could be part of it because it is secret. Thus we cannot rule Trump or Biden or Starmer or Truss, or Corbyn or Farage, or Clinton - anyone at all in a position of power or influence - in or out. All we can really do is follow what evidence exists however scanty. But whilst noting your eagerness to believe that your political opponents must be part of it, you display an obvious reluctance to do so when it is people you support. A bias that is obvious to intelligent people and undermines the credibility of what you are saying. If you think that makes me stupid or a buffoon, then the real joke is on you. Point two. This looks in light of all this as if you are engaged in a politically motivated conspiracy theory in which you believe that anyone you dont like is a paedophile psychopath, including presumably lefties and liberals of all kinds. Perhaps I am jumping to unjustified conclusions but that's what it transparently looks like. As such I see little further point is discussing this with you, because I have enough sense to know that not all the good guys on on my side and not all the bad guys aren't. When it comes to paedophiles and psychopaths it is never as simple as that. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 15, 2024 16:07:32 GMT
All I did was not mention by name anyone who hasn't be convicted of paedophilia related offence. This means i did not specifically mention Trump (who hasn't been convicted of a paedophilia related offence). However, for some reason me doing this struck you as betraying some large political bias. and so - an absence of biased smearing looked like bias to you. All i can do here is lead you to water and wait for the penny to drop. Of course your very notion of a secret powerful elite of paedophile psychopaths destroying society itself implies that none of them have been convicted of paedophile offences. Otherwise they would not be secret. Yet you seem to have a problem with the very notion of people you agree with being part of it. No. It was other way around. You had some problem with Trump specifically not being mentioned by others. You saw this mere absence as betraying a political bias. You ignored the fact that nobody else was being mentioned, no doubt using the same blind-spot in reasoning that allowed you to ignore the number of notable or famous people who have been photographed with Epstein. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2024 16:37:47 GMT
Of course your very notion of a secret powerful elite of paedophile psychopaths destroying society itself implies that none of them have been convicted of paedophile offences. Otherwise they would not be secret. Yet you seem to have a problem with the very notion of people you agree with being part of it. No. It was other way around. You had some problem with Trump specifically not being mentioned by others. You saw this mere absence as betraying a political bias. You ignored the fact that nobody else was being mentioned, no doubt using the same blind-spot in reasoning that allowed you to ignore the number of notable or famous people who have been photographed with Epstein. I never brought Trump up. Vinny did. You didn't like it, betraying your own selectivity which has in consequence become something of a fucus point. Discuss it with him, he is the one insisting that Trump is a nonce. Whilst you insist he is not due to insufficient evidence whilst positing the existence of a powerful cabal of influential nonces for which there is insufficient evidence. There is an inconsistency of approach there, determined it seems by little more than your own political biases. Why should this secretive cabal of powerful paedophiles only consist of your political opponents? That has BS written all over it |
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Post by Orac on Oct 15, 2024 18:43:43 GMT
No. It was other way around. You had some problem with Trump specifically not being mentioned by others. You saw this mere absence as betraying a political bias. You ignored the fact that nobody else was being mentioned, no doubt using the same blind-spot in reasoning that allowed you to ignore the number of notable or famous people who have been photographed with Epstein. I never brought Trump up. Vinny did. You didn't like it, betraying your own selectivity which has in consequence become something of a fucus point. I don't want to get into a he said, she said thing, but the very post i responded to mentions Trump and laments the lack of Trump focus in the threadYou wrote - "But one thing I have noticed is that whilst believing in the existence of an all powerful global network of psychopathic nonces destroying society, in their minds it never seems to include such obviously destructive people as Trump or any other of their political allies."As for my response to Vinny - i simply highlighted the same catastrophic reasoning error you made - ie rather than looking at things objectively, picking out and focusing on one person for no particular reason other than you don't like them. No amount of reasoning is going to stop Vinny being Trump fixated, so the conversation never really went anywhere. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 15, 2024 20:39:53 GMT
There's evidence of Trump being a paedophile, but as you agree with his politics you don't want to know.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 16, 2024 6:33:16 GMT
There's evidence of Trump being a paedophile, but as you agree with his politics you don't want to know. Is that true, there may be suspicion as regards underage girls but as regards pre-pubescent children have you any links? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 16, 2024 6:35:23 GMT
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Post by thomas on Oct 16, 2024 6:46:29 GMT
No. It was other way around. You had some problem with Trump specifically not being mentioned by others. You saw this mere absence as betraying a political bias. You ignored the fact that nobody else was being mentioned, no doubt using the same blind-spot in reasoning that allowed you to ignore the number of notable or famous people who have been photographed with Epstein. I never brought Trump up. Vinny did. I dont think vinnys dislike of Donald trump is driven by something as pure as your dislike of him politically Steve. Vinny couldnt give a fuck about Donald trumps alleged misdemeanours , his politics , or anything else. Vinny is simply afraid that if trump gets into power , trump will take away his tory soldiers in Ukraine , and leave his life empty in the process, depriving him of the ability to daily scream his endless low calorie soundbites about "killing the invader" or "death to Putin" . If you dont want to talk about trump , dont talk about him , instead of hiding behind vinnys gibberish. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 16, 2024 6:49:23 GMT
They were not pre pubescent children which is the particular desire of a paedophile. Being interested in girls is generally a male thing which is difficult to say is unacceptable when a young woman is 17 years and 364 days old and perfectly acceptable when she is 18 years old the day after. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 16, 2024 7:50:11 GMT
So from your best key evidence you’ve presented to us Trump is “a pedophile” … we get this: From The Independent … A newspaper that is owned and funded by Zionists who hate Trump and Putin. 🤔😂 “ Mr Trump said on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005 that he could ‘get away’ with walking into the dressing room to ‘inspect’ beautiful women
Donald Trump used to “stroll right in” to the dressing room of beauty pageants while the contestants - some of whom were teenagers - were naked or half-dressed, a former model has claimed.
Tasha Dixon was 18 when she competed in the Miss USA pageant, winning the state crown.
“Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half naked changing into our bikinis,” Ms Dixon told CBS.
“He just came strolling right in. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Other girls were naked.”
She added that people who worked for Mr Trump “pressured” the women to “fawn over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention” while still not fully dressed.
Ms Dixon added the situation made them feel awkward and physically vulnerable.
Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.
Former Miss Vermont Teen USA, Mariah Billado, told Buzzfeed: "I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my god, there's a man in here."
Three other girls chose to remain anonymous, but told the publication it was "creepy" and "shocking".
Mr Trump said on the Howard Stern radio show in 2005 that he was “allowed”, as the owner of the pageant, to go backstage while the contestants were getting dressed.
“You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”
Ms Dixon told CBS she believed that Mr Trump owned the pageant for 19 years because he could “utilise his power around beautiful women” and there was no one above him to complain to.
When Ms Dixon competed in 2001, the theme was empowering women.
She said she had not listened to the radio show and her accusations were not politically motivated.
The revelations come as a leaked video from 2005 show the presidential nominee bragging about sexually assaulting women. He released an apology within hours but defended the remarks as “locker room talk”.
The remarks come in contrast to a statement from former Miss California, Carrie Prejean, who competed in the beauty pageant the same year as Ms Dixon.
“To paint Mr Trump as someone who would purposely walk into a women’s dressing room and ask women to come impress him is the most disgusting accusation so far,” she said.
Mr Trump used to own the Miss Universe, the Miss USA and Miss Teen USA pageants until last year.” A ‘confession from Trump on the radio show of shock jock Howard Stern … from 2005 …. almost 20 years ago … still no court case or prosecution, Vinny? …. Why not? Is it because it’s locker room talk? … from an era when guys used to brag about that stuff … especially to Stern … when it was accepted as normal? … before WOKE Dems invented 63 genders? If underage girls were sneaking into pageants … and elderly owners of the contests were walking in … regularly to check everything was ok, the girls were organised and had everything they wanted … is that pedophilia … sexual abuse?? I think Society today … and Vinny … needs to come up with something on par with what Epstein and P.Daddy are alleged to have done … drugging and raping unwilling victims of all ages. Come on, Vinny … show us something other than Trump being a little pervy … back in the day when it was the norm. … and he was a Democrat, mixing mostly with Democrats. Partying like Hollywood does?? … almost anything goes … Caligula on crack from the sound of things. Murder? … every excess?He’s had his moments assaulting women … we know a little about his checkered bad boy past … maybe the Diddy material will be the evidence the CIA is looking for? … to keep the Dems in power … and keep their plan for total nuclear annihilation of the UK, Europe … and possibly the planet … right on track! We are still holding our breath Humanity will save the day. … as P Diddy and Trump also fight for survival. P.Diddy on ‘suicide watch’ …. or “deep state sponsored fast track killing” … as we now refer to it, since Epstein. 🫣 |
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