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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2024 8:27:17 GMT
Our country has never been truly pleasant and civilised, at least during our lifetimes. There have always been far too many numbskull nationalists and toxic anti-immigrant obsessives lurking amongst us for that. BOLLOCKS.... He means Scotland, not the UK.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2024 8:28:28 GMT
He means Scotland, not the UK. The wonders of devolution....
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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2024 8:37:57 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 7, 2024 8:43:46 GMT
www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem“A powerful modern racial myth has been exploded. What started as a far-right trope had migrated into the mainstream, meeting little resistance along the way”
“a much-anticipated Home Office report has concluded that there is no credible evidence that any one ethnic group is over-represented in cases of child sexual exploitation”.
“The “grooming gangs” narrative fed into the agenda of the far right”
“The two-year study by the Home Office makes very clear that there are no grounds for asserting that Muslim or Pakistani-heritage men are disproportionately engaged in such crimes”
“The common denominator is not immigration, race, culture or Islam”
“It is time to call off the witch-hunt. We need finally to accept what credible research has been telling us for years: that child sexual abuse is not a “Muslim problem” but is endemic to virtually all communities”
Well of course grooming gangs have always existed. However, the Pakistani Muslim gangs industrialised them along racial grounds using their closed community and shared cultural values.
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 7, 2024 9:07:24 GMT
That's why they're unable to condemn it and have relied on attacking the victims.
Racial and sectarian motivated child grooming gangs was imported, and it IS the Left who protected and encouraged it to hurt the people and undermine the institutions of this country. They sacrificed innocent young girls for their warped ideology and hatred of western civilisation, and even today, after it's all out, they will still lie about it and demand obedience to their hysterical projections and claims that anyone who questions them are racists.
It's a very sick strategy these vile lefties rely on. We know the vast majority of people in this country do not support the racial and sectarian motivated child grooming gangs, or any other depraved cult, but many keep silent because they don't want to be called racist. I don't blame them, even if they look cowardly. They have their own families, careers and livelihoods to protect and we all know how determined the left are to destroy honest and decent people who don't conform to the sickness of the left.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2024 9:18:39 GMT
www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem“A powerful modern racial myth has been exploded. What started as a far-right trope had migrated into the mainstream, meeting little resistance along the way”
“a much-anticipated Home Office report has concluded that there is no credible evidence that any one ethnic group is over-represented in cases of child sexual exploitation”.
“The “grooming gangs” narrative fed into the agenda of the far right”
“The two-year study by the Home Office makes very clear that there are no grounds for asserting that Muslim or Pakistani-heritage men are disproportionately engaged in such crimes”
“The common denominator is not immigration, race, culture or Islam”
“It is time to call off the witch-hunt. We need finally to accept what credible research has been telling us for years: that child sexual abuse is not a “Muslim problem” but is endemic to virtually all communities”
Well of course grooming gangs have always existed. However, the Pakistani Muslim gangs industrialised them along racial grounds using their closed community and shared cultural values. Said it before, immigration without integration is invasion.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 7, 2024 9:25:52 GMT
Bentley, Here’s my belated reply to your post from a day or two ago, as promised. Sorry again for the delay. I don’t follow how you reach your conclusion that I “think commenting on white ethnic groups …when they murder ,is justified … but not that Mohamed Iidow' was an illegal immigrant or his ethnic group” but however you arrive at that conclusion, it is not accurate. Nor am I sure if you mean racist or racially motivated when you say “ justified” but I am going to assume that is the case because you take what you think I believe about these 2 separate matters, juxtapose them along side each other, and conclude that my position is racist. Commenting on white ethnic groups when they murder is neither racist nor not racist in itself. That depends upon a couple of factors that I can think of ( although there might be more but this should make my principles clear enough) I.e. 1. Would the same people who choose to comment still have chosen to do so, and to do so in the same way, on non-white ethnic groups when they murder? If not, then their behaviour is racially motivated, as is the behaviour of people who choose not to comment on white ethnic groups when they murder but to comment on other ethnic groups when they do. 2. Was the killing itself potentially racially motivated I. e. was the victim from a different ethnic group than the ethnic group of the killers. If so, then commenting on the killing of a member of one ethnic group by members of another ethnic group is not racially motivated unless those who choose to comment or not to comment do so selectively, depending upon the ethnic groups involved, in which case it is racially motivated in my view. Commenting on Mohamed Iidow’s ethnic group and on him possibly being an illegal immigrant was not, in itself, racially motivate. The acid test, just like the white killer gang above, is would those who behaved as they did have behaved in exactly the same way irrespective of the accused’s ethnic group ( more accurately, in this case, the ethnic association of the accused's name)? So would Red have behaved just as he did, and put up that shocking OP on here, if the accused’s name had been Tommy Robinson, and would those whose first reaction to hearing of this attack still have been to think “illegal immigrant” rather than of what horror this poor woman might have gone through. In fact, would they have ever considered the residency status of the accused at all? If not, and we surely all accept that they would not, then their behaviour and reactions were motivated by racial and/or anti-immigrant tendencies, in my view. So, juxtapositioning my thinking on these two issue as you have done, is my position racist as you claim? I don’t think so because the principle behind my thinking is not racist or racially motivated and the same principle is applied to both issues. Too garbled to bother with.^ See I can do that .
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 7, 2024 9:28:12 GMT
Yes it was. As soon as I saw the name Mohamed I thought... I wonder if he's an illegal. I would have thought it's a perfectly normal reaction these days. There is nothing that comes anywhere close to ‘perfectly normal’ about any part of your reaction on here to this horror incident, including that shocker of an OP.. It might seem like a perfectly normal reaction to anti-immigrant obsessives, and this place seems to be awash with them so your reaction might seem normal if they were all you had to judge it by, but don’t let that fool you. Your reaction was neither normal nor healthy. The link I provided in the OP clearly states: Mum-of-three 'raped repeatedly until she died'... [By some low life peice of filth called Mohamed Iidow] I assume you think the headline is 'offensive'? Perhaps you're from the left wing school of thought that says any bad news story that involves anyone who 'maybe' an illegal immigrant a refugee, should be hidden from the public. Well, I tend to disagree, and I don't give a toss about left wing feelings. And I cant help noticing that as horrific as this story undoubtedly is, you show no sympathy for the victim whatsoever, and no anger for the accused. Your entire contribution to the discussion is criticism of me for having the temerity to mention it. Well done you, how very virtuous.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2024 9:30:25 GMT
Well of course grooming gangs have always existed. However, the Pakistani Muslim gangs industrialised them along racial grounds using their closed community and shared cultural values. Said it before, immigration without integration is invasion. They have no intentions of ever intergrating...
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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2024 9:31:37 GMT
I know.
Like I said, invasion.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 7, 2024 9:50:58 GMT
There is nothing that comes anywhere close to ‘perfectly normal’ about any part of your reaction on here to this horror incident, including that shocker of an OP.. It might seem like a perfectly normal reaction to anti-immigrant obsessives, and this place seems to be awash with them so your reaction might seem normal if they were all you had to judge it by, but don’t let that fool you. Your reaction was neither normal nor healthy. The link I provided in the OP clearly states: Mum-of-three 'raped repeatedly until she died'... [By some low life peice of filth called Mohamed Iidow] I assume you think the headline is 'offensive'? Perhaps you're from the left wing school of thought that says any bad news story that involves anyone who 'maybe' an illegal immigrant a refugee, should be hidden from the public. Well, I tend to disagree, and I don't give a toss about left wing feelings. And I cant help noticing that as horrific as this story undoubtedly is, you show no sympathy for the victim whatsoever, and no anger for the accused. Your entire contribution to the discussion is criticism of me for having the temerity to mention it. Well done you, how very virtuous. Ironically, the eejit's done exactly what he accused you of.
Just another example of the hypocrisy of the left.
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Post by happyjack on Oct 7, 2024 10:27:16 GMT
There is nothing that comes anywhere close to ‘perfectly normal’ about any part of your reaction on here to this horror incident, including that shocker of an OP.. It might seem like a perfectly normal reaction to anti-immigrant obsessives, and this place seems to be awash with them so your reaction might seem normal if they were all you had to judge it by, but don’t let that fool you. Your reaction was neither normal nor healthy. The link I provided in the OP clearly states: Mum-of-three 'raped repeatedly until she died'... [By some low life peice of filth called Mohamed Iidow] I assume you think the headline is 'offensive'? Perhaps you're from the left wing school of thought that says any bad news story that involves anyone who 'maybe' an illegal immigrant a refugee, should be hidden from the public. Well, I tend to disagree, and I don't give a toss about left wing feelings. And I cant help noticing that as horrific as this story undoubtedly is, you show no sympathy for the victim whatsoever, and no anger for the accused. Your entire contribution to the discussion is criticism of me for having the temerity to mention it. Well done you, how very virtuous. You must have tried really hard to notice “no show of sympathy for the victim whatsoever and no anger for the accused”. For example, this is what I said in my 2nd post, which can be found just 5 short posts below your OP near the top of page 1 of this thread. Either that or, even though it was just 6 posts down from the top, it was still buried too far into the thread for you to possibly maintain your attention span for that length of time.. “ If your immediate and overwhelming reaction wasn’t one of deep distress about how this poor woman must have suffered terribly while being forced to endure this heinous act, followed by outrage and shame that any man would even think to do such a thing, but instead immediately think ‘illegal immigrant’, then you need to take a good look at yourself.“As I have pointed on on a number of occasions, your shocking OP is remarkable for your complete failure to include any show of sympathy for the victim, something that you have failed to do in any of your posts on here up until now. The same goes for any expression of anger at the accused unless you feel that calling him scum in your OP covers it. And just to be clear, that “[By some low life peice of filth called Mohamed Iidow]” did not appear in you OP: you have just tagged it on now, so nobody should be fooled into thinking otherwise. But why waste any time on that touchy-freely lefty nonsense, eh! Your OP was simply a callous attempt to turn this horror incident into an excuse to have another go at punting your toxic anti-immigrant message, with whatever else you had to contribute reserved for a quick attack on Sidiq Khan and for your ‘left wing authorities conspiracy of silence’ theory. Shame on you !
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 7, 2024 10:42:20 GMT
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Post by happyjack on Oct 7, 2024 10:47:48 GMT
He means Scotland, not the UK. You know better than that, Vinny. You have seen me say many times that Scotland, like England, is not a country - so how could you possibly say that I mean “Scotland” when I talk about our country?
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Post by happyjack on Oct 7, 2024 11:18:05 GMT
Well, you certainly cared enough to post a message about it earlier today so I am presuming you are squirming with embarrassment with what you said now that Red’s post has been been completely debunked. Just as a reminder, here’s what you said a few posts above in support of Red’s embarrassing, debunked and hypocritical post to me:- “ Ironically, the eejit's done exactly what he accused you of.
Just another example of the hypocrisy of the left. “
The eejits here are clearly Red and you and the hypocrisy… well, it is obvious who is really guilty of that here without me having to spell it out..
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