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Post by piglet on Sept 26, 2024 10:07:58 GMT
I dont get why the Republicans would not want Russia defeated, surely they would, if not why? If its about Russia not wanting anything to do with the lgbtq whatever, then thats understandable, but not to this extent. Christianity, family, democracy etc is the way to go. Why do the republicans not condemn Russia?
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Post by Vinny on Sept 26, 2024 10:15:39 GMT
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Post by Orac on Sept 26, 2024 11:45:53 GMT
I dont get why the Republicans would not want Russia defeated It might be starting point to ask yourself why exactly you want Russia defeated - a scenario that is likely to entail the destruction of large parts of Europe, and death of your entire family and everyone you know. Do have any idea why you find this such an attractive prospect? |
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Post by patman post on Sept 26, 2024 13:54:52 GMT
I dont get why the Republicans would not want Russia defeated It might be starting point to ask yourself why exactly you want Russia defeated - a scenario that is likely to entail the destruction of large parts of Europe, and death of your entire family and everyone you know. Do have any idea why you find this such an attractive prospect? Why wouldn't you want the ambition of one country taking over and obliterating another country defeated — not just Russia's attempted annexing of Ukraine, but also other countries' military invasions of Israel, Gaza, Gambia, Somalia, etc...? |
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Post by Orac on Sept 26, 2024 14:11:48 GMT
It might be starting point to ask yourself why exactly you want Russia defeated - a scenario that is likely to entail the destruction of large parts of Europe, and death of your entire family and everyone you know. Do have any idea why you find this such an attractive prospect? Why wouldn't you want the ambition of one country taking over and obliterating another country defeated — not just Russia's attempted annexing of Ukraine, but also other countries' military invasions of Israel, Gaza, Gambia, Somalia, etc...? I was talking about Russia being defeatedAs for the reasons, I'm sure i mentioned some in my first post - a scenario that is likely to entail the destruction of large parts of Europe, and death of your entire family and everyone you know.If you use vague language as rhetoric, you have to expect various people to interpret it in various ways |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 26, 2024 14:22:13 GMT
I dont get why the Republicans would not want Russia defeated It might be starting point to ask yourself why exactly you want Russia defeated - a scenario that is likely to entail the destruction of large parts of Europe, and death of your entire family and everyone you know. Do have any idea why you find this such an attractive prospect? My thoughts too. imo if Russia was defeated it would lead to a break up of the federation. That would be a nightmare for Europe and a chance for a huge land grab of Russian territory by China . A nuclear war is possible and there is no guarantee that the US would risk an outright exchange for Europe. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 26, 2024 14:51:57 GMT
It might be starting point to ask yourself why exactly you want Russia defeated - a scenario that is likely to entail the destruction of large parts of Europe, and death of your entire family and everyone you know. Do have any idea why you find this such an attractive prospect? My thoughts too. imo if Russia was defeated it would lead to a break up of the federation. That would be a nightmare for Europe and a chance for a huge land grab of Russian territory by China . A nuclear war is possible and there is no guarantee that the US would risk an outright exchange for Europe. So isn't stifling Russia's current land grab more likely to wind down its militaristic empire rebuilding ambitions than just letting it press on to recolonise past satellite states...? |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 26, 2024 15:03:08 GMT
My thoughts too. imo if Russia was defeated it would lead to a break up of the federation. That would be a nightmare for Europe and a chance for a huge land grab of Russian territory by China . A nuclear war is possible and there is no guarantee that the US would risk an outright exchange for Europe. So isn't stifling Russia's current land grab more likely to wind down its militaristic empire rebuilding ambitions than just letting it press on to recolonise past satellite states...? Possibly but that wasn’t what the post addressed . No part of it suggested that Russia should be allowed to recolonise its past satellite states . |
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Post by Orac on Sept 26, 2024 15:06:30 GMT
'Stifling' could be achieved by getting Russia's population on side. You would most likely be able to achieve that by being reasonable rather than dismissive about their claimed 'security concerns' - and that in contrast, Putin was implacable and unreasonable 'land grabber' looking for an excuse. It's probably way to late for anything intelligent like that now btw
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Post by Bentley on Sept 26, 2024 15:13:45 GMT
Imo it’s highly unlikely that Russia will just pull out of Ukraine without some kind of negotiations and settlement .
What that will be is debatable.
What some people seem to want is an implosion of its government resulting in an implosion of its military.
Imo that would be the gateway to decades of unrest and a disaster for Europe in just about every way.
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Post by Orac on Sept 26, 2024 15:19:25 GMT
Imo it’s highly unlikely that Russia will just pull out of Ukraine without some kind of negotiations and settlement . What that will be is debatable. What some people seem to want is an implosion of its government resulting in an implosion of its military. Imo that would be the gateway to decades of unrest and a disaster for Europe in just about every way. at the very least. An imploding military and government I would say such a scenario has an unacceptably high risk that someone, somewhere would press the button, either as a final 'fuck you' or a preemption of someone doing the former |
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Post by piglet on Sept 27, 2024 9:15:38 GMT
Your fearful of the unknown, while disregarding the consequences of not defeating Russia. Change in all ways is inevitable, not only in your own life, but on a global scale. Russia cannot stay as it is, indeed it has been shrinking for a long time. Change is like a train coming, it will run you over.
Interpretation is what were talking about, i see Russia being broken up as a good thing, how can it not be, its just a matter of time, the vast lands it holds will be put to good use. China will be next, democracy or the wests version of it is better, spreading wealth, a better life more evenly.
Even the wests interpretation of democracy will change, because like Russia, eeven that is corrupt, but less so. Look at Starmer, like Putin, taking advantage of being da boss. Thibnk of it like a person, the huge changees wee all go through, i reckon were about 16.
As for your fears about being blown up, is it better to be blown up, or take a knee to a bastard? If Putin fires off, then we end, no problem, nature will come up with something beetter, in the samee way a human is better than a triceratops.
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Post by piglet on Sept 27, 2024 9:22:35 GMT
Thanks for that Vinny, oh dear.
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