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Post by Bentley on Sept 28, 2024 11:37:31 GMT
Within this argument about pensioners ( the group in society with the MOST disposable income ), there is one indisputable fact. That fact is that : All pensioners will be better off at the end of this Parliament than they are now, thanks to the Triple Lock which Labour have pledged to keep in place. Pensioners are more likely to vote Conservative, a very good reason for a Conservative government to introduce the Triple Lock and give our pensioners handsome pay rises every year. At the same time since 2011, road sweepers, nurses, teachers, junior doctors, police officers and most public sector workers all saw their living standards fall. This time next year ALL pensioners will be better off, same as last year, same as the year after next, and that is despite withdrawing the Winter Fuel Payment to most pensioners. Oh look another leftie post that defines pensioners by the most wealthy ones . A pensioner with an income just above the rate to claim pension credit will miss out on the heating allowance and get the state pension rise next year . Has the the Labour government not snatched the heating allowance from all but the poorest pensioners then the pensioner who’s income is just above the rate to claim pension credit would have had both the heating allowance and the state pension rise next year. Fuck me , this has been explained to the pension hating lefties so many times and it still hasn’t sunk in.
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 28, 2024 12:33:03 GMT
Within this argument about pensioners ( the group in society with the MOST disposable income ), there is one indisputable fact. That fact is that : All pensioners will be better off at the end of this Parliament than they are now, thanks to the Triple Lock which Labour have pledged to keep in place. Pensioners are more likely to vote Conservative, a very good reason for a Conservative government to introduce the Triple Lock and give our pensioners handsome pay rises every year. At the same time since 2011, road sweepers, nurses, teachers, junior doctors, police officers and most public sector workers all saw their living standards fall. This time next year ALL pensioners will be better off, same as last year, same as the year after next, and that is despite withdrawing the Winter Fuel Payment to most pensioners. Oh look another leftie post that defines pensioners by the most wealthy ones . A pensioner with an income just above the rate to claim pension credit will miss out on the heating allowance and get the state pension rise next year . Has the the Labour government not snatched the heating allowance from all but the poorest pensioners then the pensioner who’s income is just above the rate to claim pension credit would have had both the heating allowance and the state pension rise next year. Fuck me , this has been explained to the pension hating lefties so many times and it still hasn’t sunk in. The annual rise in state pensions applies to ALL STATE PENSIONERS, whether or not you happen to be a millionaire or a single pensioner with no other income. Therefore the reasonably generous annual rises will be given to all pensioners, and the rise this year ( financial year 2024-2025 ) is the equivelant of THREE TIMES the maximum Winter Fuel Payment. Its a pity that you "bleeding heart" Tories did not protest when George Osborne took away the Educational Maintainence Allowance from the poorest working people, or when working people on low incomes were hit with the Bedroom Tax, but no, that was fair according to Tory supporters. One of my Facebook friends protested about the withdrawing of the Winter Fuel Payment, she wrote her Facebook comment whilst on holiday in a luxury villa in Cyprus, and when she got home she will return to her flat which she owns, and she will continue to recieve her private pension and her state pension - no doubt she votes Tory, and thinks that poor people deserve no help. YES there are pensioners who struggle, I accept that, but the way in which the Winter Fuel Payments works is very wrong, because Millions of pensioners dont need it.
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Post by ratcliff on Sept 28, 2024 12:44:04 GMT
Oh look another leftie post that defines pensioners by the most wealthy ones . A pensioner with an income just above the rate to claim pension credit will miss out on the heating allowance and get the state pension rise next year . Has the the Labour government not snatched the heating allowance from all but the poorest pensioners then the pensioner who’s income is just above the rate to claim pension credit would have had both the heating allowance and the state pension rise next year. Fuck me , this has been explained to the pension hating lefties so many times and it still hasn’t sunk in. The annual rise in state pensions applies to ALL STATE PENSIONERS, whether or not you happen to be a millionaire or a single pensioner with no other income. Therefore the reasonably generous annual rises will be given to all pensioners, and the rise this year ( financial year 2024-2025 ) is the equivelant of THREE TIMES the maximum Winter Fuel Payment. Its a pity that you "bleeding heart" Tories did not protest when George Osborne took away the Educational Maintainence Allowance from the poorest working people, or when working people on low incomes were hit with the Bedroom Tax, but no, that was fair according to Tory supporters. One of my Facebook friends protested about the withdrawing of the Winter Fuel Payment, she wrote her Facebook comment whilst on holiday in a luxury villa in Cyprus, and when she got home she will return to her flat which she owns, and she will continue to recieve her private pension and her state pension - no doubt she votes Tory, and thinks that poor people deserve no help. YES there are pensioners who struggle, I accept that, but the way in which the Winter Fuel Payments works is very wrong, because Millions of pensioners dont need it. when working people on low incomes were hit with the Bedroom Tax
Bedroom tax? For those living in taxpayer subsidised housing with too many bedrooms for their needs are charged a supplement to their heavily taxpayer subsidised rents or they move into taxpayer subsidised accommodation appropriate for their needs A growing family in taxpayer subsidised housing need two/three bedrooms before the adult kids move out so now need only one but refuse to be more appropriately accommodated and are charged a supplement What's unfair in that?
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Post by Handyman on Sept 28, 2024 12:52:26 GMT
No such Tax IMO as Bedroomed tax , it meant single people living in a Council/ Social housing with more than one bedroom had a deduction in Housing Benefit to encourage them to move to a smaller property to free up their larger property for a family, it was a Policy not a Tax
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 28, 2024 15:18:53 GMT
So I assume that you also believe that two pensioners living in a 3 or 4 bedroom house should not recieve any Winter Fuel Allowance because the TAX PAYER is paying to heat a home which is far bigger than is necessary.
And I also guess that you believe that any pensioner with assets over 100,000 or private pensions or savings over a certain amount should also not recieve Winter Fuel Allowance paid for by TAX PAYERS, many of whom are actually less well off than the pensioners they subsidise.
In a FAIR SOCIETY we help those that need a little help, and we ask those who are the better off to contribute a bit more.
As things are, the working tax payer is often subsidising the electricity bills of comfortable and well off pensioners.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 28, 2024 15:22:24 GMT
Oh look another leftie post that defines pensioners by the most wealthy ones . A pensioner with an income just above the rate to claim pension credit will miss out on the heating allowance and get the state pension rise next year . Has the the Labour government not snatched the heating allowance from all but the poorest pensioners then the pensioner who’s income is just above the rate to claim pension credit would have had both the heating allowance and the state pension rise next year. Fuck me , this has been explained to the pension hating lefties so many times and it still hasn’t sunk in. The annual rise in state pensions applies to ALL STATE PENSIONERS, whether or not you happen to be a millionaire or a single pensioner with no other income. Therefore the reasonably generous annual rises will be given to all pensioners, and the rise this year ( financial year 2024-2025 ) is the equivelant of THREE TIMES the maximum Winter Fuel Payment. Its a pity that you "bleeding heart" Tories did not protest when George Osborne took away the Educational Maintainence Allowance from the poorest working people, or when working people on low incomes were hit with the Bedroom Tax, but no, that was fair according to Tory supporters. One of my Facebook friends protested about the withdrawing of the Winter Fuel Payment, she wrote her Facebook comment whilst on holiday in a luxury villa in Cyprus, and when she got home she will return to her flat which she owns, and she will continue to recieve her private pension and her state pension - no doubt she votes Tory, and thinks that poor people deserve no help. YES there are pensioners who struggle, I accept that, but the way in which the Winter Fuel Payments works is very wrong, because Millions of pensioners dont need it. Yes the way the winter fuel allowance works is very wrong. As has been pointed out to you many many times , the previous system gave the pensioners who received slightly above the limit for pension credits( but were still struggling ) the allowance . The new system deems those people wealthy enough not to need it . If Labour and the lefties gave a fuck about the poorer but not impoverished pensioners then they should have and should be demanding the government put a fairer system into place but the truth is that lefties like you hate older or old and are not intelligent enough to realise that there is a broad spectrum of wealth and types of wealth in that group. Its far easier to spout about pensioners having the most disposable income and lumping all but the poorest pensioners into the ‘ wealthy ‘ section. Ill leave it there because you had trouble understanding the last post so I won’t risk overloading our brain with this one .
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 28, 2024 15:29:20 GMT
The annual rise in state pensions applies to ALL STATE PENSIONERS, whether or not you happen to be a millionaire or a single pensioner with no other income. Therefore the reasonably generous annual rises will be given to all pensioners, and the rise this year ( financial year 2024-2025 ) is the equivelant of THREE TIMES the maximum Winter Fuel Payment. Its a pity that you "bleeding heart" Tories did not protest when George Osborne took away the Educational Maintainence Allowance from the poorest working people, or when working people on low incomes were hit with the Bedroom Tax, but no, that was fair according to Tory supporters. One of my Facebook friends protested about the withdrawing of the Winter Fuel Payment, she wrote her Facebook comment whilst on holiday in a luxury villa in Cyprus, and when she got home she will return to her flat which she owns, and she will continue to recieve her private pension and her state pension - no doubt she votes Tory, and thinks that poor people deserve no help. YES there are pensioners who struggle, I accept that, but the way in which the Winter Fuel Payments works is very wrong, because Millions of pensioners dont need it. "Generous" fiddles? Hardly the way to describe the lowest OAP pension in western Europe. Now if we look at the unjustifiably high wages of train drivers or lazy NHS GPs then we get much closer to the definition of "Generous".
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 28, 2024 16:11:47 GMT
Within this argument about pensioners ( the group in society with the MOST disposable income ), there is one indisputable fact. That fact is that : All pensioners will be better off at the end of this Parliament than they are now, thanks to the Triple Lock which Labour have pledged to keep in place. Pensioners are more likely to vote Conservative, a very good reason for a Conservative government to introduce the Triple Lock and give our pensioners handsome pay rises every year. At the same time since 2011, road sweepers, nurses, teachers, junior doctors, police officers and most public sector workers all saw their living standards fall. This time next year ALL pensioners will be better off, same as last year, same as the year after next, and that is despite withdrawing the Winter Fuel Payment to most pensioners. Why will we be 'better off' Are our pensions linked to the 21% junior doctors deal ? I doubt it So if we're lucky they'll keep pace with the inflationary antics at the Bank of England with thousands finding that thanks to tax thresholds they have tomosy tax on their pension and also get smacked for it on their savings if they have any You really do come up with some utter bullshit sometimes
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 28, 2024 16:14:47 GMT
No such Tax IMO as Bedroomed tax , it meant single people living in a Council/ Social housing with more than one bedroom had a deduction in Housing Benefit to encourage them to move to a smaller property to free up their larger property for a family, it was a Policy not a Tax Except that it WAS a fucking tax because there were 23,000 families fucked over by it and a mere 120 houses smaller than the new rules hit you at for them to move into. So they were trapped and forced to suffer the tax on their incomings
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Post by Handyman on Sept 28, 2024 17:50:57 GMT
No such Tax IMO as Bedroomed tax , it meant single people living in a Council/ Social housing with more than one bedroom had a deduction in Housing Benefit to encourage them to move to a smaller property to free up their larger property for a family, it was a Policy not a Tax Except that it WAS a fucking tax because there were 23,000 families fucked over by it and a mere 120 houses smaller than the new rules hit you at for them to move into. So they were trapped and forced to suffer the tax on their incomings You can rant roar swear do backward summersaults trying to kiss your own arse, there is no such thing as " Bedroom Tax, it was a reduction of about £10 from those who claimed "Housing Benefit " funded from Taxation a comment from the media from last year 2023 . " By Talia Shadwell, ITV News content producer It has been a decade since the so-called 'bedroom tax' was introduced, to widespread controversy. But ten years on, there appears to have been little appetite to find out whether the under-occupancy penalty actually worked. Despite a growing housing crisis shaping up to be a key election battleground, neither the Conservative or Labour Parties would commit to any plans to review or abolish the bedroom tax, when asked by ITV News. The policy, officially known as the ' removal of the spare room subsidy,' is perhaps better known by its nickname, the 'bedroom tax'.
The government says the policy, which took effect a decade ago, encourages people to move out of socially rented homes that are too big for them to make spaces for larger families. Figures show despite the disincentive, hundreds of thousands of social housing households still pay today, and critics told us they are troubled by the lack of interest in reviewing the policy given the pressure of the cost of living crisis. The government has confirmed it has no plans to review or abolish the policy, which was conceived at the height of the austerity era of welfare reforms. It confirmed no official research into assessing the financial impact or success of the policy had been carried out in the last eight years, and ignored our query on whether any more research into the policy's impact on people's lives was planned. Four times, ITV News asked Labour whether it stands by its past public commitments to abolish the bedroom tax if the party took power. And four times, Sir Keir Starmer's party didn't respond, on a policy its MPs had in the past labelled "cruel." But ten years after the bedroom tax was introduced, the national social housing stock continues to shrink. "
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Post by see2 on Sept 28, 2024 18:50:09 GMT
No such Tax IMO as Bedroomed tax , it meant single people living in a Council/ Social housing with more than one bedroom had a deduction in Housing Benefit to encourage them to move to a smaller property to free up their larger property for a family, it was a Policy not a Tax Of course not, but it was a cut in income designed to force people to move from their home into a smaller home. Commonly referred to as the bedroom tax, for obvious reasons.
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Post by ratcliff on Sept 29, 2024 10:06:08 GMT
So I assume that you also believe that two pensioners living in a 3 or 4 bedroom house should not recieve any Winter Fuel Allowance because the TAX PAYER is paying to heat a home which is far bigger than is necessary. And I also guess that you believe that any pensioner with assets over 100,000 or private pensions or savings over a certain amount should also not recieve Winter Fuel Allowance paid for by TAX PAYERS, many of whom are actually less well off than the pensioners they subsidise. In a FAIR SOCIETY we help those that need a little help, and we ask those who are the better off to contribute a bit more. As things are, the working tax payer is often subsidising the electricity bills of comfortable and well off pensioners. Assumptions and guesses All bog standard standard MO for the average lefty attempting to justify their pathetic politics of envy . Only some 50% of the adult population pay income tax , only private sector taxpayers actually contribute funds to the central pot , public sector workers and working age welfare spongers only ''pay'' any tax (purchase/income) with private sector funds given to them by a grasping government
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Post by ratcliff on Sept 29, 2024 10:13:34 GMT
No such Tax IMO as Bedroomed tax , it meant single people living in a Council/ Social housing with more than one bedroom had a deduction in Housing Benefit to encourage them to move to a smaller property to free up their larger property for a family, it was a Policy not a Tax Of course not, but it was a cut in income designed to force people to move from their home into a smaller home. Commonly referred to as the bedroom tax, for obvious reasons. ''Forced''? No , had they been ''forced'' they'd have been evicted from the too large taxpayer subsidised property and had to find alternative accommodation That didn't happen They had the choice to pay a nominal supplement to their heavily subsidised rent (from taxpayer funded benefit handouts) to stay where they were or move in accommodation more appropriate to their needs
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 29, 2024 10:56:34 GMT
Why do posters refer to Social Housing as "tax payers subsidised housing" ?
The MINIMUM rent that any tennant pays in my area for either Council or Housing Association homes is £100.00 per week, and if that property has a lifespan of 40 years, that equates to £210,000.00 for a flat ( in my area ) worth £100,000 or a three bed property worth £180,000.
The vast majority of Housing Association / Council House occupiers are (A) working, and (B) on such incomes that exclude them from buying a property, in many cases because they cannot aford the deposits.
Its always the same with Tories and Tory supporters, they look down on such people, scorn public sector workers, and think that such people are undeserving because they are helped thanks to our welfare state created by the Labour Party.
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Post by ratcliff on Sept 29, 2024 11:13:35 GMT
Why do posters refer to Social Housing as "tax payers subsidised housing" ? The MINIMUM rent that any tennant pays in my area for either Council or Housing Association homes is £100.00 per week, and if that property has a lifespan of 40 years, that equates to £210,000.00 for a flat ( in my area ) worth £100,000 or a three bed property worth £180,000. The vast majority of Housing Association / Council House occupiers are (A) working, and (B) on such incomes that exclude them from buying a property, in many cases because they cannot aford the deposits. Its always the same with Tories and Tory supporters, they look down on such people, scorn public sector workers, and think that such people are undeserving because they are helped thanks to our welfare state created by the Labour Party. Why do posters refer to Social Housing as "tax payers subsidised housing" ?Because that's what it is for life There's no means testing to ensure that only the truly impoverished with no hope of funding their own accommodation in the near future (say leases could be granted for 7 years maximum to ''helpout'') for one the late Bob Crow the transport union boss lived in a taxpayer subsidised council house paying a pittance despite earning way north of £145k pa more than 10 years ago in and refused to move saying he had ''no moral duty'' to move . (40 year lifespan for a house? I'd be suing the builders if that was mine and only further proves that you have no contact whatsoever with reality)
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