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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Sept 23, 2024 1:30:16 GMT
Whilst I knew that some Scottish people speak Gaelic I didn't know that there were other languages that you speak ... like Doric and Lallans. This really makes you lot seem like a bunch of foreigners! Having said this I think I deserve to be insulted ... what's a typical insult in these languages?
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Post by piglet on Nov 7, 2024 10:10:46 GMT
I can insult you in italian if you want, translated i could tell you, im not, that you are a dirty devil, the devil is a pig, you are a miserable pig, god is a pig, pig features a lot, may a donkey go in your mother, id better stop there.
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Post by thomas on Nov 8, 2024 8:49:42 GMT
Whilst I knew that some Scottish people speak Gaelic I didn't know that there were other languages that you speak ... like Doric and Lallans. This really makes you lot seem like a bunch of foreigners! Having said this I think I deserve to be insulted ... what's a typical insult in these languages? The native language of scotland is Gaelic( gaidhlig) , that was gradually replaced during the medieval period , something like from 15 th century onwards , by the language we now know as Middle English. Despite the name Middle English , it was in fact the hybrid language of the Norman French elite , at first rejected by the anglo saxons in england , a sort of mix of anglo saxon , danish and French , but which eventually won out. This language spread into scotland with the coming of the normans , in the south and east , and gradually over the centuries pushed Gaelic back north wand west. Middle English , originally known as Inglis in scotland by native speakers , then began to be called "Scots" from the late fourteenth early fifteenth centuries . Doric and lallans are simply dialects of Scots rather than seperate languages in their own right . From the 17th century onwards though , it was been the policy of the Scottish elite to promote standard English , to the detriment of both Scots and Gaelic. Most insults in modern Scots are similar to what you have in modern English . in my own native Glasgow , (lallans) words like bampot (idiot) choob ( stupid) doati ( simple ) eejit ( idiot) are common , among many others which are no different to standard English swear words. Cunt for example can be ambiguous , as a swear word or term of endearment. A lot of words in doric ( the Scots of Aberdeenshire) can be very different. From what I remember , there were big communities in the medieval times of flemish in north eastern scotland which heavily influenced Scots there , not sure of the swear words( morayloon will help) but they have words like Quine ( woman ) loon ( man) . To be fair much of Scots is dying out now , and many younger Scottish are using American terms . |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 11, 2024 1:57:19 GMT
That's a real shame
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 11, 2024 7:16:54 GMT
David Starkey got cancelled for making similar remarks about English youths.
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 8:23:37 GMT
unfortunately thats life. American English is the language of power , and American culture infiltrates all aspects of Scottish , and arguably uk and European life. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 8:24:01 GMT
David Starkey got cancelled for making similar remarks about English youths. sorry dan dont understand your point? can you elaborate? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 19, 2024 5:02:17 GMT
Jocks have such varied accents and dialects for such a small country. Glaswegians have the classic semi aggressive tones, usually backed up by nothing, while those from Edinburgh had a much softer accent, it wasn't necessarily any easier to understand if your civilised, but it was softer. I knew a girl from Saltcoats who had the most beautiful accent, and I remember a chap, a mountain of a man and one of the most laid back men I ever knew I cant remember where he as from but even the Jock lads couldn't understand him honestly it was like another language. We used to say to him, say that again, slowly. And he'd laugh and gently punch you on the arm and you'd go flying. I seem to remember he was from a farming family. He was a good lad.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 19, 2024 5:16:53 GMT
David Starkey got cancelled for making similar remarks about English youths. Damned shame, he speaks forthright common sense, which is unfashionable these days. |
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 22, 2024 12:18:01 GMT
David Starkey got cancelled for making similar remarks about English youths. Damned shame, he speaks forthright common sense, which is unfashionable these days. I used his avatar on here. Lefties/Islamists bombarded me with accusations of racism and insisted that I should be banned. This is the state of the UK today. |
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Post by piglet on Nov 22, 2024 12:24:01 GMT
Northerners think southern accents are the same, they are not. When i moved to Stoke i was having a bad time personally, lets not go there, i was watching tv and a play came on, channel 4 i think. The lead actress had a Cambridgeshire accent, i was so home sick tears flowed. All is different, but not as obvious as northern accents, the cambs accent is unique with unique ways of pronunciation.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 23, 2024 18:06:14 GMT
Since we're digressing into other accents, I always liked the cockney accent. It seemed to have an air of humour about it, and I particularly remember one chap who was the embodiment of Del Boy. He had a smart answer for everything, and it got him into a lot of trouble, but he was funny, I've mentioned this anecdote before, but it's worth mentioning again.
The scene: The troop was on the drill square being bawled out by the drill sgt, not because we had done anything wrong, but because it's what drill sgt's did. The drill sgt was unimpressed with cockney wides boys turnout. He placed the end of his pace stick up cockney wide boys nose and gently lifted, he bawled out, I've got a peice of crap on the end of my pace stick! Never slow with a smart answer cockney wide boy quickly said, well it's not on this end sarge!
Everyone bit their lip but the drill sgt who's sense of humour had been removed, was not amused. Cockney wide boy was doubled away to the guard room for a couple of hours of punishment. When he got back to the billet he was very tired and sweaty, but hailed as a hero.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 23, 2024 18:19:52 GMT
Imo Arthur Mullard and Warren Mitchell’s Alf Garnett is the nearest to the old cockney accent that I know .
I’m talking about East Enders born before WW2
Mullards was a much lazier way to speak than the Essex accent and reminds me of the old boys in my family and working in Stratford in the early 70s.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 23, 2024 22:50:09 GMT
Imo Arthur Mullard and Warren Mitchell’s Alf Garnett is the nearest to the old cockney accent that I know . I’m talking about East Enders born before WW2 Mullards was a much lazier way to speak than the Essex accent and reminds me of the old boys in my family and working in Stratford in the early 70s. Bentley, are you a 'cockeny'?.. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 23, 2024 23:09:24 GMT
Imo Arthur Mullard and Warren Mitchell’s Alf Garnett is the nearest to the old cockney accent that I know . I’m talking about East Enders born before WW2 Mullards was a much lazier way to speak than the Essex accent and reminds me of the old boys in my family and working in Stratford in the early 70s. Bentley, are you a 'cockeny'?.. I was born in Forest Gate hospital and lived in Canning Town until I was 18 months when we moved out near Southend due to my late brother having acute asthma. Both my Mum and Dad came from Canning Town . technicality I need to have been born within the sound of Bow bells to be a cockney but I’m from the East End . I had the pleasure to do my 5 year apprenticeship in a factory that was in the exact place where the Olympic stadium now stands . So I have had a lot of exposure to propa geezers.😁 |
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