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Post by Pacifico on Sept 21, 2024 17:00:36 GMT
I'm not convinced that is true. We might like taking the piss out of foreigners but that is a show of affection, the amount of foreigners we have embraced into the UK and integrated into our society (far more than any other country in Europe) surely shows that foreigners are more than welcome. Well I assumed your comment was slightly tongue in cheek as being Scottish I know that hatred of the English is not the sole national identifying attribute. The English tend to tolerate foreigners which is not the same as liking them and of course I am speaking in a generalised fashion and stereotyping but then what else is there if we start off in that vein. Identity is attached to ethnicity and culture in many ways and is a complicated belief system not easily defined but real. My point was everyone knows who they are and if one accepts an Indian identity as existing then consider the same parameters that brought one to that conclusion and apply it to any other identity. I do not think that is supported by the facts. The UK has the highest proportion of mixed race partnerships/marriages in Europe - seems that the English quite like foreigners. Even the archetypal Nationalist Englishman, Nigel Farage, has been shacked up with 3 foreigners... The 'problem' with the English (if you wish to call it that) is that they are all to willing to embrace different cultures as part of the English diaspora. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 21, 2024 17:42:38 GMT
Well I assumed your comment was slightly tongue in cheek as being Scottish I know that hatred of the English is not the sole national identifying attribute. The English tend to tolerate foreigners which is not the same as liking them and of course I am speaking in a generalised fashion and stereotyping but then what else is there if we start off in that vein. Identity is attached to ethnicity and culture in many ways and is a complicated belief system not easily defined but real. My point was everyone knows who they are and if one accepts an Indian identity as existing then consider the same parameters that brought one to that conclusion and apply it to any other identity. I do not think that is supported by the facts. The UK has the highest proportion of mixed race partnerships/marriages in Europe - seems that the English quite like foreigners. Even the archetypal Nationalist Englishman, Nigel Farage, has been shacked up with 3 foreigners... The 'problem' with the English (if you wish to call it that) is that they are all to willing to embrace different cultures as part of the English diaspora. Well you want to dig deeper into those stats, the highest proportion of mixed race relationships are in London which may indicate that English and another ethnicity may not be the norm, the proportion from memory is still only about 6% of all relationships. Tolerating is not the same as embracing, many people tolerate the different religions but they certainly do not embrace them. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 22, 2024 7:41:00 GMT
What is 'English identity'? Good question In 1981 Michael Palin took up a barking mad challenge to see if it were possible to actually circumnavigate the world in the fabled eighty days using surface transport alone. It was the start of a broadcasting venture that would send him in the footsteps of Alan Whicker. But in answer to your question, the final 15 minutes or so of the final programme in the series covers his arrival at Felixstowe on a Maersk Lines Container ship, his disembarkation at the container port as a passenger, his rail journey by diesel multiple unit at barely more than 45mph into London Liverpool Street and his final journey by Underground to the Reform Club, who refused to allow him and his BBC crew in. If anyone ever asks me what English identity meant, when it meant something, I tell them to find that last programme in that series and watch it Because a month before he took that rail journey into London, I took the outbound one all the way to Ipswich, having just given a lecture to the Biochemical Society. OK to be more accurate, been one of a sizeable number of newcomers who together took to the stage and the limelight to deliver part of one It was a different world. For a start, apart from the fact the trains were diesel, and some cars and lorries slightly more modern, I seriously doubt much had changed since my then teenage father had travelled with his parents from Ilford to Cardiff so my grandfather could continue his work unhindered by Hitlers Dorniers and Buzz Bombs. The obvious point to make us to look at the faces on the train, in the docks and on the streets of both Suffolk and London. But the broadcast records a world in which a madcap idea to determine whether a century old work of travel fiction had a substantial basis in fact received both funding and approval. And a world where the organisation made famous by the book, and which was more than happy to let the departure from their premis s be filmed, told them to fuck off when they returned to say 'we did it's Only in England... |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 22, 2024 7:43:25 GMT
Here is a good test When the Labour party arrests and interns the English in camps, would you be among those arrested? I think I probably would, and in the finest tradition, would promptly set about planning an escape |
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