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Post by patman post on Sept 18, 2024 17:41:53 GMT
The idea is that Oxford Street should be totally pedestrianised and for even bikes to be banned.
The two groups likely to be most against the idea residents in the streets that will carry the 16 bus routes that currently use Oxford Street, and cyclist groups — two-wheeler groups are becoming as vicious and uncaring for ordinary citizens in their holier than thou attitudes and lobbying as the NRA in the US.
I hope the part of the pedestrianisation idea that catches on is the clamping down on is the believed invincibility and unaccountability of cyclists and scooters. Even in N16, we’re plagued with these rampaging pedlars and EV-assisted riders yputting all pedestrians — from toddlers to OAPs — at risk of serious injury.
Keep bike riders away from walkers, and if they must join walkers, let them dismount and push their contraptions while in pedestrian areas…
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 18, 2024 17:46:03 GMT
I'm not sure what is sensible about it - across the UK many Councils have made town and city centres pedestrianised, I have yet to see one that has not had the same problems as Oxford street with empty shops and falling foot traffic.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 18, 2024 17:59:37 GMT
I'm not sure what is sensible about it - across the UK many Councils have made town and city centres pedestrianised, I have yet to see one that has not had the same problems as Oxford street with empty shops and falling foot traffic. This happened in Torquay. Its now rows of empty shops dirty streets and a haven for the scroats and dealers. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 18, 2024 18:01:44 GMT
The idea is that Oxford Street should be totally pedestrianised and for even bikes to be banned. The two groups likely to be most against the idea residents in the streets that will carry the 16 bus routes that currently use Oxford Street, and cyclist groups — two-wheeler groups are becoming as vicious and uncaring for ordinary citizens in their holier than thou attitudes and lobbying as the NRA in the US. I hope the part of the pedestrianisation idea that catches on is the clamping down on is the believed invincibility and unaccountability of cyclists and scooters. Even in N16, we’re plagued with these rampaging pedlars and EV-assisted riders yputting all pedestrians — from toddlers to OAPs — at risk of serious injury. Keep bike riders away from walkers, and if they must join walkers, let them dismount and push their contraptions while in pedestrian areas… Khan seems to be doing this because he can, not because it's necessary, or even beneficial. The war on the motorist, it's trendy politics. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 18, 2024 18:04:08 GMT
But — at the risk of being a cocky Londoner — there is no other street in the UK that compares to Oxford Street. Plus, the occasions that pedestrianising the West End has happened, it’s boosted footfall and trade.
Oxford Street — like the climate — is dangerously near getting beyond repair. It will turn into another derelict UK high street without radical thinking to ensure its survival and advancement…
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 18, 2024 18:07:23 GMT
I'm not sure what is sensible about it - across the UK many Councils have made town and city centres pedestrianised, I have yet to see one that has not had the same problems as Oxford street with empty shops and falling foot traffic. This happened in Torquay. Its now rows of empty shops dirty streets and a haven for the scroats and dealers. Same in Stafford. The councils relentless war on the motorist has resulted in reduced footfall and shops closing. We used to go into town a lot more than we do now and that's largely because the council have made it so difficult for motorists. You cant even pay cash in most parking meters now. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Sept 18, 2024 18:07:24 GMT
jonksy Wasn't that more to do with The Willows and the acres of free parking it provides. The main street only needs to be burger bars and pubs for the tourists as they walk up for the front. And it was almost too narrow for a bus anyway  |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 18, 2024 18:12:26 GMT
How is pedestrianising Oxford street a war on motorists ?
You can still drive around it.
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Post by patman post on Sept 18, 2024 18:14:14 GMT
The idea is that Oxford Street should be totally pedestrianised and for even bikes to be banned. The two groups likely to be most against the idea residents in the streets that will carry the 16 bus routes that currently use Oxford Street, and cyclist groups — two-wheeler groups are becoming as vicious and uncaring for ordinary citizens in their holier than thou attitudes and lobbying as the NRA in the US. I hope the part of the pedestrianisation idea that catches on is the clamping down on is the believed invincibility and unaccountability of cyclists and scooters. Even in N16, we’re plagued with these rampaging pedlars and EV-assisted riders yputting all pedestrians — from toddlers to OAPs — at risk of serious injury. Keep bike riders away from walkers, and if they must join walkers, let them dismount and push their contraptions while in pedestrian areas… Khan seems to be doing this because he can, not because it's necessary, or even beneficial. The war on the motorist, it's trendy politics. I guess being able to do it is a necessary requirement. But I agree, the way the Green-type campaigns against motorists are being enacted — with whole communities almost cut off from collecting bulk shopping, travelling, visiting, etc — are way OTT. But this scheme looks like it might just do some good for locals and visitors alike… |
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Post by patman post on Sept 18, 2024 18:18:27 GMT
This happened in Torquay. Its now rows of empty shops dirty streets and a haven for the scroats and dealers. Same in Stafford. The councils relentless war on the motorist has resulted in reduced footfall and shops closing. We used to go into town a lot more than we do now and that's largely because the council have made it so difficult for motorists. You cant even pay cash in most parking meters now. With respect, whatever streets in Stafford and Torquay you’re referring to, they’re not Oxford Street… |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 18, 2024 18:47:59 GMT
jonksy Wasn't that more to do with The Willows and the acres of free parking it provides. The main street only needs to be burger bars and pubs for the tourists as they walk up for the front. And it was almost too narrow for a bus anyway Thats true. But there are many things you cannot purchase from the willows....The burger bars are all gone apart from macdonalds and all the big names have pulled out. Torquay is no more than a shithole these days... |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 18, 2024 18:54:31 GMT
Oxford Street has been in decline for a number of years some such as Debenhams have packed up and gone due to high rents and running costs plus stiff competition from online sales, Covid also did not help.
Westminster is a high street crime location , pickpockets, handbag snatches, street robberies especially for watches, many who do venture into Westminster do so by bus as they run down Oxford Street the elderly and infirm may well find it more difficult to get there.
As Westminster Council is now run by Labour Khan will get his way IMHO
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 18, 2024 18:54:42 GMT
Same in Stafford. The councils relentless war on the motorist has resulted in reduced footfall and shops closing. We used to go into town a lot more than we do now and that's largely because the council have made it so difficult for motorists. You cant even pay cash in most parking meters now. With respect, whatever streets in Stafford and Torquay you’re referring to, they’re not Oxford Street… We are in complete agreement. Oxford Street is a right tip compared to Greengate Street.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 18, 2024 19:00:15 GMT
How is pedestrianising Oxford street a war on motorists ? You can still drive around it. Because as more streets are closed to traffic, congestion becomes increasingly bad on surrounding streets. Traffic doesn't disappear, it's just forced onto fewar streets which increases congestion and pollution. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 18, 2024 19:20:16 GMT
How is pedestrianising Oxford street a war on motorists ? You can still drive around it. Because as more streets are closed to traffic, congestion becomes increasingly bad on surrounding streets. Traffic doesn't disappear, it's just forced onto fewar streets which increases congestion and pollution. London is a big place . If they closed the north circular or the A13 and embankment then I’d agree it was a war on motorists but Oxford street ? I dunno. |
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