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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 18, 2024 7:05:59 GMT
The thing is that there are roughly 10,000 foreign prisoners in British jails. If we could get rid of them we could solve our prison space problems in one fell swoop. But hang on - we can get rid of them. We have the right to return foreign prisoners to their country of origin. And if that country refuses to accept them we can sanction them by withdrawing their right to visas.
Yet we have loads of Pakistanis in jail (for serious charges like rape etc) who obviously should be deported but we don't even deport them at the end of their sentence. WTF is going on?
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 18, 2024 7:16:28 GMT
This might help
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Post by Handyman on Sept 18, 2024 9:16:57 GMT
There are a set of guidelines for Victims Impact Statements which are submitted to the Judge before they are either read out in Court by the victim or victims, or someone on their behalf, the Victim Support Agency provides them with guidance on how to formulate them, of do's and don'ts.
" Don’t directly express your anger toward the court or the offender.
Your goal is to express your hurt and your pain, not to blame. The blame has already been placed on the offender, so now is the time to talk about what you have been experiencing through your loss.
Don’t use unsuitable language, as it will diminish the effectiveness of your statement.
Don’t describe what you want to happen to the offender in prison. Please do not get descriptive about any harm you would like to see imposed.
Don’t put personal, identifying information in your letter and do not say it verbally in court. This includes your physical address, mailing address, email address and phone number.
The offender will be provided copies of all letters submitted. If you state this out loud in court, it will be another opportunity for the offender to contact you in the future. "
IMHO
In other words leave it to the Judge, personally I would have liked to see the Judge and Judges recommend deportation more often, but if they do more Court time fighting the Deportation by Lawyers who make a fortune doing so, the UK is too soft should be you have done your time , now out you go first plane out
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 18, 2024 11:32:52 GMT
There are a set of guidelines for Victims Impact Statements which are submitted to the Judge before they are either read out in Court by the victim or victims, or someone on their behalf, the Victim Support Agency provides them with guidance on how to formulate them, of do's and don'ts. " Don’t directly express your anger toward the court or the offender. Your goal is to express your hurt and your pain, not to blame. The blame has already been placed on the offender, so now is the time to talk about what you have been experiencing through your loss. Don’t use unsuitable language, as it will diminish the effectiveness of your statement. Don’t describe what you want to happen to the offender in prison. Please do not get descriptive about any harm you would like to see imposed. Don’t put personal, identifying information in your letter and do not say it verbally in court. This includes your physical address, mailing address, email address and phone number. The offender will be provided copies of all letters submitted. If you state this out loud in court, it will be another opportunity for the offender to contact you in the future. " IMHO In other words leave it to the Judge, personally I would have liked to see the Judge and Judges recommend deportation more often, but if they do more Court time fighting the Deportation by Lawyers who make a fortune doing so, the UK is too soft should be you have done your time , now out you go first plane out The thing is, the law is being ignored and no one seems to care, this has been pointed out by a few comentators over the past couple of days. Two of the seven grooming gang offenders recently convicted were born in Pakistan. The law says anyone who is sentenced to a term of imprisonment exceeding 12 months and was not born in this country, even if they have dual nationality, should be deported on completion of sentence. A journalist on GB News looked into this. He attempted to discover how many of those convicted of grooming gang offences over the years and were not born in this country had been deported on completion of sentence. Dozens fell into this category but in spite of the law, not one of them has been deported. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 18, 2024 11:38:24 GMT
There are a set of guidelines for Victims Impact Statements which are submitted to the Judge before they are either read out in Court by the victim or victims, or someone on their behalf, the Victim Support Agency provides them with guidance on how to formulate them, of do's and don'ts. " Don’t directly express your anger toward the court or the offender. Your goal is to express your hurt and your pain, not to blame. The blame has already been placed on the offender, so now is the time to talk about what you have been experiencing through your loss. Don’t use unsuitable language, as it will diminish the effectiveness of your statement. Don’t describe what you want to happen to the offender in prison. Please do not get descriptive about any harm you would like to see imposed. Don’t put personal, identifying information in your letter and do not say it verbally in court. This includes your physical address, mailing address, email address and phone number. The offender will be provided copies of all letters submitted. If you state this out loud in court, it will be another opportunity for the offender to contact you in the future. " IMHO In other words leave it to the Judge, personally I would have liked to see the Judge and Judges recommend deportation more often, but if they do more Court time fighting the Deportation by Lawyers who make a fortune doing so, the UK is too soft should be you have done your time , now out you go first plane out The thing is, the law is being ignored and no one seems to care, this has been pointed out by a few comentators over the past couple of days. Two of the seven grooming gang offenders recently convicted were born in Pakistan. The law says anyone who is sentenced to a term of imprisonment exceeding 12 months and was not born in this country, even if they have dual nationality, should be deported on completion of sentence. A journalist on GB News looked into this. He attempted to discover how many of those convicted of grooming gang offences over the years and were not born in this country had been deported on completion of sentence. Dozens fell into this category but in spite of the law, not one of them has been deported. I agree some of the convicted Pakistani rapists having served their sentences were due to be deported but still have not been still appealing to stay due to the fact they have wife's and family here Human Rights and all that |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 18, 2024 15:53:10 GMT
I think the other issue is that Pakistan refuses to allow them back into their country - understandably.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 18, 2024 18:18:23 GMT
I think the other issue is that Pakistan refuses to allow them back into their country - understandably. I think you are right, Pakistan and India have a serious problem with the amount of Rapes committed, basically the women are seen as fair bait and of no or little importance |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 19, 2024 6:03:55 GMT
I think the other issue is that Pakistan refuses to allow them back into their country - understandably. Yes, but if Pakistan refuses to take back one of these people the govt can stop giving visas to Pakistanis - which would be in our own interests anyway. And if the ECHR says they can't be deported - because they have a pot plant or something - just ignore them. It's time to play hard ball like most of the EU countries do. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 20, 2024 6:24:05 GMT
There are a set of guidelines for Victims Impact Statements which are submitted to the Judge before they are either read out in Court by the victim or victims, or someone on their behalf, the Victim Support Agency provides them with guidance on how to formulate them, of do's and don'ts. " Don’t directly express your anger toward the court or the offender. Your goal is to express your hurt and your pain, not to blame. The blame has already been placed on the offender, so now is the time to talk about what you have been experiencing through your loss. Don’t use unsuitable language, as it will diminish the effectiveness of your statement. Don’t describe what you want to happen to the offender in prison. Please do not get descriptive about any harm you would like to see imposed. Don’t put personal, identifying information in your letter and do not say it verbally in court. This includes your physical address, mailing address, email address and phone number. The offender will be provided copies of all letters submitted. If you state this out loud in court, it will be another opportunity for the offender to contact you in the future. " IMHO In other words leave it to the Judge, personally I would have liked to see the Judge and Judges recommend deportation more often, but if they do more Court time fighting the Deportation by Lawyers who make a fortune doing so, the UK is too soft should be you have done your time , now out you go first plane out I take it 'iveant to see this bastard hang upside down until the shit dribbles out of his mouth' wouldn't get heard then How about 'this bastard threatened to off every one of the witnesses that put him away' Don't you think the public need to know that ?? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 20, 2024 6:45:50 GMT
There is a much bigger problem
Handyman hints at it but you need to be a victim or a relative of one to see it
You are introduced to a 'specialist officer'
Their job is to belittle you, to reduce to you a brainwashed, zombified, gibbering wreck compliant in their hands. They reduce your sense of worth so you can be manipulated by the barristers who control the courtroom and who are for the most part utter posters and wankers.
Bear in mind I have done the training to claim a fee as an expert witness.........
I know how the system works. My wife is a fairly helpless pawn in its operation
The whole aim is to reduce the degree to which the bastard in the dock is portrayed as the evil (there is only one word that fits here and I know tinc won't let me use it) that they actually are, and are portrayed to the maximum as a victim of society and poverty and racism and every other fucking excuse going
I only had to endure this as the father of a near miss act of collateral damage. And I had the strength of character and mental power necessary to fight it. God knows how the victims of those butcherrd feel. I know of course how the fathers of those raped feel, we and our daughters have no place in a labour run courtroom. I know this because that's what the bastards did when we tried to report the act that got my daughter into the position of being the collateral damage she almost was. On that business they refused to take any action at all, giving the scum responsible time to flee the country.
Their antics led me directly to stand for the only political party prepared to deal properly with the dregs at this end of this society.
They really fucking hated me for that. Showing them up for the scum they are is really frowned upon
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Post by Handyman on Sept 20, 2024 13:37:51 GMT
There is a much bigger problem Handyman hints at it but you need to be a victim or a relative of one to see it You are introduced to a 'specialist officer' Their job is to belittle you, to reduce to you a brainwashed, zombified, gibbering wreck compliant in their hands. They reduce your sense of worth so you can be manipulated by the barristers who control the courtroom and who are for the most part utter posters and wankers. Bear in mind I have done the training to claim a fee as an expert witness......... I know how the system works. My wife is a fairly helpless pawn in its operation The whole aim is to reduce the degree to which the bastard in the dock is portrayed as the evil (there is only one word that fits here and I know tinc won't let me use it) that they actually are, and are portrayed to the maximum as a victim of society and poverty and racism and every other fucking excuse going I only had to endure this as the father of a near miss act of collateral damage. And I had the strength of character and mental power necessary to fight it. God knows how the victims of those butcherrd feel. I know of course how the fathers of those raped feel, we and our daughters have no place in a labour run courtroom. I know this because that's what the bastards did when we tried to report the act that got my daughter into the position of being the collateral damage she almost was. On that business they refused to take any action at all, giving the scum responsible time to flee the country. Their antics led me directly to stand for the only political party prepared to deal properly with the dregs at this end of this society. They really fucking hated me for that. Showing them up for the scum they are is really frowned upon When it comes to Victims statement as I posted earlier taken directly from the Victims Support Agency that is what happens, you are simply spouting ill informed LOB If you are the victim of a serious crime even if the person is not caught or put on trial you will be offered support by specially trained Police Officers should you want or need support you can contact the Officer assigned to you 24/7 if caught and put on trial the same thing happens. Even Police Officers who often are victims of serious crime or have dealt with terrible frightening traumatic situations are offered support, if you report a minor crime you will receive a letter from the Victim Support Agency telling you if you need help contact us it is the victims choice The Victims Statement should the Victim or Victims wish to make one can at the end of a trial if a defendant or defendants are found guilty can choose to read in out loud themselves in open Court or someone on their behalf the Crown , a copy of which is given to the Judge, the Crown and the Defendants Council . That means everyone in the Court Room hears it including Journalists who often quite the Victims right across the Media |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 20, 2024 21:47:22 GMT
There is a much bigger problem Handyman hints at it but you need to be a victim or a relative of one to see it You are introduced to a 'specialist officer' Their job is to belittle you, to reduce to you a brainwashed, zombified, gibbering wreck compliant in their hands. They reduce your sense of worth so you can be manipulated by the barristers who control the courtroom and who are for the most part utter posters and wankers. Bear in mind I have done the training to claim a fee as an expert witness......... I know how the system works. My wife is a fairly helpless pawn in its operation The whole aim is to reduce the degree to which the bastard in the dock is portrayed as the evil (there is only one word that fits here and I know tinc won't let me use it) that they actually are, and are portrayed to the maximum as a victim of society and poverty and racism and every other fucking excuse going I only had to endure this as the father of a near miss act of collateral damage. And I had the strength of character and mental power necessary to fight it. God knows how the victims of those butcherrd feel. I know of course how the fathers of those raped feel, we and our daughters have no place in a labour run courtroom. I know this because that's what the bastards did when we tried to report the act that got my daughter into the position of being the collateral damage she almost was. On that business they refused to take any action at all, giving the scum responsible time to flee the country. Their antics led me directly to stand for the only political party prepared to deal properly with the dregs at this end of this society. They really fucking hated me for that. Showing them up for the scum they are is really frowned upon When it comes to Victims statement as I posted earlier taken directly from the Victims Support Agency that is what happens, you are simply spouting ill informed LOB If you are the victim of a serious crime even if the person is not caught or put on trial you will be offered support by specially trained Police Officers should you want or need support you can contact the Officer assigned to you 24/7 if caught and put on trial the same thing happens. Even Police Officers who often are victims of serious crime or have dealt with terrible frightening traumatic situations are offered support, if you report a minor crime you will receive a letter from the Victim Support Agency telling you if you need help contact us it is the victims choice The Victims Statement should the Victim or Victims wish to make one can at the end of a trial if a defendant or defendants are found guilty can choose to read in out loud themselves in open Court or someone on their behalf the Crown , a copy of which is given to the Judge, the Crown and the Defendants Council . That means everyone in the Court Room hears it including Journalists who often quite the Victims right across the Media Well I'm the one whose daughter was raped by an islamic over here on dodgy paperwork The police didn't give a fuck After my daughter's maisonette was burned to a cinder upstairs they sent a crew round to brainwash me into not complaining. They didn't give a fuck about her or me, they just wanted to browbeat her and me into believing what they wanted was the only way we would get anywhere And they did their level best to terrifying Sarah with Social Services As I said, if you have not been a victim of a serious crime, Yiu don't now what these fuckers do Mind you, this was under Blair's Pro islamic rape government. Maybe things changed. I doubt it |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 20, 2024 22:32:51 GMT
When it comes to Victims statement as I posted earlier taken directly from the Victims Support Agency that is what happens, you are simply spouting ill informed LOB If you are the victim of a serious crime even if the person is not caught or put on trial you will be offered support by specially trained Police Officers should you want or need support you can contact the Officer assigned to you 24/7 if caught and put on trial the same thing happens. Even Police Officers who often are victims of serious crime or have dealt with terrible frightening traumatic situations are offered support, if you report a minor crime you will receive a letter from the Victim Support Agency telling you if you need help contact us it is the victims choice The Victims Statement should the Victim or Victims wish to make one can at the end of a trial if a defendant or defendants are found guilty can choose to read in out loud themselves in open Court or someone on their behalf the Crown , a copy of which is given to the Judge, the Crown and the Defendants Council . That means everyone in the Court Room hears it including Journalists who often quite the Victims right across the Media Well I'm the one whose daughter was raped by an islamic over here on dodgy paperwork The police didn't give a fuck After my daughter's maisonette was burned to a cinder upstairs they sent a crew round to brainwash me into not complaining. They didn't give a fuck about her or me, they just wanted to browbeat her and me into believing what they wanted was the only way we would get anywhere And they did their level best to terrifying Sarah with Social Services As I said, if you have not been a victim of a serious crime, Yiu don't now what these fuckers do Mind you, this was under Blair's Pro islamic rape government. Maybe things changed. I doubt it Victim Support Charity was set up in 1974 50 years ago and rolled out right across England and Wales by 1986 and has been helping Victims ever since. Rape is one of the most difficult Criminal Offences to prove as more often than not it is one persons word against another's he or she consented to sex but then changed their minds afterwards, made even more difficult by some alleged victims lying when no sexual offence took place. As for the rest of your post about brain washing and threats about Social Services unless you explain what you claim happened once again being brutally frank I take it with a very large pinch of Salt LOB |
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Post by Paulus de B on Sept 27, 2024 12:48:13 GMT
The thing is that there are roughly 10,000 foreign prisoners in British jails. If we could get rid of them we could solve our prison space problems in one fell swoop. But hang on - we can get rid of them. We have the right to return foreign prisoners to their country of origin. And if that country refuses to accept them we can sanction them by withdrawing their right to visas. Yet we have loads of Pakistanis in jail (for serious charges like rape etc) who obviously should be deported but we don't even deport them at the end of their sentence. WTF is going on? Is deportation any sort of a punsihment, though? Sure, they don't want to be deported, but it leaves them free in their country of origin. Deportation after serving a sentence makes more sense, but does nothing for the problem of prison overcrowding. A third option would be to agree with - and pay - countries of origin to imprison their compatriots on Britain's behalf. The low-life of central and east European countries moved in substantial numbers to the west as soon as they were able, leaving under-occupied prisons behind them. They too, could be contracted to house our non-native prisoners. The Danes are setting an example of how to go about it. Liberals are normally keen that we should emulate Scandinavian practices. Denmark's justice minister Peter Hummelgaard has visited a detention centre in southeast Kosovo where his country intends to send up to 300 prisoners to ease overcrowding in the Danish prison system.www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/09/26/danish-justice-minister-visits-kosovo-prison-set-to-receive-300-inmates-from-denmark#:~:text=Denmark's%20justice%20minister%20Peter%20Hummelgaard,in%20the%20Danish%20prison%20system. |
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