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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 15, 2024 10:20:44 GMT
How many prisoners in our jails made their way to the UK illegally? Are people from certain countries more likely to end up behind bars than others? How much do migrants really cost the state and how much do they actually contribute?
You’d think we might have the answers to these basic questions. After all, they’re crucial for understanding the impact of immigration. But guess what? We don’t have them, because the Government refuses to publish the data.
As other European countries become more transparent on migration data, here in the UK, we’re moving in the opposite direction. It’s getting harder and harder to get the facts. The Department for Work and Pensions has quietly stopped releasing figures on how many migrants are claiming welfare. HMRC have cut off data showing how much tax migrants pay and how much they take back in tax credits.
In fairness to the new government, the trend towards secrecy and obfuscation began in the twilight period of the previous government. But far from putting right a disservice to the public, Sir Keir Starmer’s government has doubled down on disguising and hiding the facts from us.
[Courtesy of Migration Watch UK]
Starmer represents the classic authoritarian left wing government. Hide the truth and come down hard on anyone who questions the official version of events.
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 15, 2024 11:19:25 GMT
A good post for the Xenophobes
Migrants are criminals - migrants eat your pet dogs ( Donald Trump ) - migrants bring diseases - they steel your jobs - rape your women ( The Daily Mail ) and they take our homes.
The Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire explained once, that the huge influx of Eastern Europeans into The Fens and Peterborogh did not result in more crime, but it did alter "the nature of crime"; What he meant by that was that there were more alcohol related crimes, drunk and disorderly, drink driving etc.
Is it not true that there are good and bad everywhere ?
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Post by sandypine on Sept 15, 2024 11:35:42 GMT
A good post for the Xenophobes Migrants are criminals - migrants eat your pet dogs ( Donald Trump ) - migrants bring diseases - they steel your jobs - rape your women ( The Daily Mail ) and they take our homes. The Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire explained once, that the huge influx of Eastern Europeans into The Fens and Peterborogh did not result in more crime, but it did alter "the nature of crime"; What he meant by that was that there were more alcohol related crimes, drunk and disorderly, drink driving etc. Is it not true that there are good and bad everywhere ? Of course that is true but then why would there be a problem with collecting data that will confirm what you believe? We collect data on almost everything else we do why not what effect migration has on crime, if any? We are told that migration brings immense benefit to the country although the information on that is at best sketchy. Perhaps migration reduces crime that would be a Godsend for you. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 15, 2024 11:43:15 GMT
A good post for the Xenophobes Migrants are criminals - migrants eat your pet dogs ( Donald Trump ) - migrants bring diseases - they steel your jobs - rape your women ( The Daily Mail ) and they take our homes. The Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire explained once, that the huge influx of Eastern Europeans into The Fens and Peterborogh did not result in more crime, but it did alter "the nature of crime"; What he meant by that was that there were more alcohol related crimes, drunk and disorderly, drink driving etc. Is it not true that there are good and bad everywhere ? So, you think that asking questions about immigration is xenophobic. What a stupid position to take. No doubt the government agree with you. Oh, and the Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire was talking shite, too. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 15, 2024 11:49:55 GMT
A good post for the Xenophobes Migrants are criminals - migrants eat your pet dogs ( Donald Trump ) - migrants bring diseases - they steel your jobs - rape your women ( The Daily Mail ) and they take our homes. The Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire explained once, that the huge influx of Eastern Europeans into The Fens and Peterborogh did not result in more crime, but it did alter "the nature of crime"; What he meant by that was that there were MORE alcohol related crimes, drunk and disorderly, drink driving etc. Is it not true that there are good and bad everywhere ? Let’s see..if there was more alcohol related crime due to the migrants but the crime rate stayed the same that means the crime rate for the non migrants was reduced. Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs ? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 15, 2024 12:04:07 GMT
A good post for the Xenophobes Migrants are criminals - migrants eat your pet dogs ( Donald Trump ) - migrants bring diseases - they steel your jobs - rape your women ( The Daily Mail ) and they take our homes. The Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire explained once, that the huge influx of Eastern Europeans into The Fens and Peterborogh did not result in more crime, but it did alter "the nature of crime"; What he meant by that was that there were more alcohol related crimes, drunk and disorderly, drink driving etc. Is it not true that there are good and bad everywhere ? That is a typically clueless response focused on whataboutery. I'm not interested in Trump or the Cambridgeshire Constabulary for that matter. The OP focuses on the fact that this government are deliberately making it harder and harder to get the true facts on migration. Why under this left wing government have the Department for Work and Pensions quietly stopped releasing figures on how many migrants are claiming welfare? Why have HMRC stopped releasing data showing how much tax migrants pay and how much they take back in tax credits? Rhetorical questions of course. Anyone with an IQ in double figures knows damned well that this government are determined to hide the truth ref immigrants. Perish the thought the hoi polloi should know the truth. |
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 15, 2024 15:00:08 GMT
A good post for the Xenophobes Migrants are criminals - migrants eat your pet dogs ( Donald Trump ) - migrants bring diseases - they steel your jobs - rape your women ( The Daily Mail ) and they take our homes. The Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire explained once, that the huge influx of Eastern Europeans into The Fens and Peterborogh did not result in more crime, but it did alter "the nature of crime"; What he meant by that was that there were MORE alcohol related crimes, drunk and disorderly, drink driving etc. Is it not true that there are good and bad everywhere ? Let’s see..if there was more alcohol related crime due to the migrants but the crime rate stayed the same that means the crime rate for the non migrants was reduced. Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs ? You obviously do not understand how crime is recorded Crimes are most often recorded Per 100,000 People, and so if the population of Cambridgeshire increased by another 100,000 people, but the crime rate remained the same, it means that those extra 100,000 people are no more criminally intent than anyone else. Heres a very interesting sentence "Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs" Is "Pakistani" an ethnic group or is it a "Nationality" ?, the honest answer is that it is a nationality, but The Boluch people are an ethnic group within Pakistan, as are Pashtuns and Sindhi's. However, you are correct that there has been a serious problem with sexual abuse and people of Pakistani origin, but its a "Cultural" problem, and has nothing what so ever to do with faith or religion. The "cultural problem" is how women and girls are percieved by some sections of Pakistani society. The problems that the authorities encounter in places like Benidorm and Ibiza with British tourists and drunken behaviour and crime resulting from alcohol is a "cultural problem". The way to solve crimes and social problems connected to a persons culture is Education as much as it is Punishment. Though I accept that sexual abuse of women and girls is a particularly vile and nasty kind of crime, there is no evidence that people of Pakistani heritage commit any more crime generally than other groups in society, its just that they commit different crimes. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 15, 2024 15:05:04 GMT
Let’s see..if there was more alcohol related crime due to the migrants but the crime rate stayed the same that means the crime rate for the non migrants was reduced. Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs ? You obviously do not understand how crime is recorded Crimes are most often recorded Per 100,000 People, and so if the population of Cambridgeshire increased by another 100,000 people, but the crime rate remained the same, it means that those extra 100,000 people are no more criminally intent than anyone else. Heres a very interesting sentence "Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs" Is "Pakistani" an ethnic group or is it a "Nationality" ?, the honest answer is that it is a nationality, but The Boluch people are an ethnic group within Pakistan, as are Pashtuns and Sindhi's. However, you are correct that there has been a serious problem with sexual abuse and people of Pakistani origin, but its a "Cultural" problem, and has nothing what so ever to do with faith or religion. The "cultural problem" is how women and girls are percieved by some sections of Pakistani society. The problems that the authorities encounter in places like Benidorm and Ibiza with British tourists and drunken behaviour and crime resulting from alcohol is a "cultural problem". The way to solve crimes and social problems connected to a persons culture is Education as much as it is Punishment. Though I accept that sexual abuse of women and girls is a particularly vile and nasty kind of crime, there is no evidence that people of Pakistani heritage commit any more crime generally than other groups in society, its just that they commit different crimes. Is that not one of the stupidest posts on this forum to-date^^
'it's just that they commit different crimes'
Yes on defenseless, vulnerable young school girls, who are bribed, filled full of alcohol and drugs and then raped, then told not to say anything or them and their families will be in danger.
But one consolation, they don't burgle peoples homes, or shoplift, they just rape young vulnerable schools girls ... now there's a relief .... FFS.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 15, 2024 15:10:48 GMT
Let’s see..if there was more alcohol related crime due to the migrants but the crime rate stayed the same that means the crime rate for the non migrants was reduced. Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs ? You obviously do not understand how crime is recorded Crimes are most often recorded Per 100,000 People, and so if the population of Cambridgeshire increased by another 100,000 people, but the crime rate remained the same, it means that those extra 100,000 people are no more criminally intent than anyone else. Heres a very interesting sentence "Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs" Is "Pakistani" an ethnic group or is it a "Nationality" ?, the honest answer is that it is a nationality, but The Boluch people are an ethnic group within Pakistan, as are Pashtuns and Sindhi's. However, you are correct that there has been a serious problem with sexual abuse and people of Pakistani origin, but its a "Cultural" problem, and has nothing what so ever to do with faith or religion. The "cultural problem" is how women and girls are percieved by some sections of Pakistani society. The problems that the authorities encounter in places like Benidorm and Ibiza with British tourists and drunken behaviour and crime resulting from alcohol is a "cultural problem". The way to solve crimes and social problems connected to a persons culture is Education as much as it is Punishment. Though I accept that sexual abuse of women and girls is a particularly vile and nasty kind of crime, there is no evidence that people of Pakistani heritage commit any more crime generally than other groups in society, its just that they commit different crimes. Utter bullshit . You have nowhere to go to defend the rise in crime rates due to migrants so you say that migrants commit different crimes to non migrants You say crime rates didn’t rise but migrants committed more ‘different’ crimes ( which would mean non migrants would have committed less ) then you claim that it’s ME that doesn’t understand what ‘ crime rates ‘ mean . The dishonesty is pulpable If there are several ethnic groups in Pakistan then the question stands . Culture is very much linked with religion especially a backward cult from a primitive society . This bullshit about ‘ they don’t commit more crimes , just different ones ‘ is just another leftie sleight of hand . |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 15, 2024 15:12:04 GMT
You obviously do not understand how crime is recorded Crimes are most often recorded Per 100,000 People, and so if the population of Cambridgeshire increased by another 100,000 people, but the crime rate remained the same, it means that those extra 100,000 people are no more criminally intent than anyone else. Heres a very interesting sentence "Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs" Is "Pakistani" an ethnic group or is it a "Nationality" ?, the honest answer is that it is a nationality, but The Boluch people are an ethnic group within Pakistan, as are Pashtuns and Sindhi's. However, you are correct that there has been a serious problem with sexual abuse and people of Pakistani origin, but its a "Cultural" problem, and has nothing what so ever to do with faith or religion. The "cultural problem" is how women and girls are percieved by some sections of Pakistani society. The problems that the authorities encounter in places like Benidorm and Ibiza with British tourists and drunken behaviour and crime resulting from alcohol is a "cultural problem". The way to solve crimes and social problems connected to a persons culture is Education as much as it is Punishment. Though I accept that sexual abuse of women and girls is a particularly vile and nasty kind of crime, there is no evidence that people of Pakistani heritage commit any more crime generally than other groups in society, its just that they commit different crimes. Is that not one of the stupidest posts on this forum to-date^^
'it's just that they commit different crimes'
Yes on defenseless, vulnerable young school girls, who are bribed, filled full of alcohol and drugs and then raped, then told not to say anything or them and their families will be in danger.
But one consolation, they don't burgle peoples homes, or shoplift, they just rape young vulnerable schools girls ... now there's a relief .... FFS.
It’s not just stupid , it’s dishonest, patronising and frankly idiotic . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 15, 2024 15:20:23 GMT
You obviously do not understand how crime is recorded Crimes are most often recorded Per 100,000 People, and so if the population of Cambridgeshire increased by another 100,000 people, but the crime rate remained the same, it means that those extra 100,000 people are no more criminally intent than anyone else. Heres a very interesting sentence "Tell me again the ethnic group of the Pakistani Rape gangs" Is "Pakistani" an ethnic group or is it a "Nationality" ?, the honest answer is that it is a nationality, but The Boluch people are an ethnic group within Pakistan, as are Pashtuns and Sindhi's. However, you are correct that there has been a serious problem with sexual abuse and people of Pakistani origin, but its a "Cultural" problem, and has nothing what so ever to do with faith or religion. The "cultural problem" is how women and girls are percieved by some sections of Pakistani society. The problems that the authorities encounter in places like Benidorm and Ibiza with British tourists and drunken behaviour and crime resulting from alcohol is a "cultural problem". The way to solve crimes and social problems connected to a persons culture is Education as much as it is Punishment. Though I accept that sexual abuse of women and girls is a particularly vile and nasty kind of crime, there is no evidence that people of Pakistani heritage commit any more crime generally than other groups in society, its just that they commit different crimes. You are the epitome of a deluded lefty. You obviously agree with the EU (and no doubt Labour) who said the press should not reveal when criminals are Muslims. One has to wonder why? Attempting to conflate the cancer of Pakistani child rape gangs, with drunken tourists in Spain, is absolutely disgusting. They are not remotely similar, they are not in the same ball park, they are not on the same fuckin planet. You are a disgrace. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 15, 2024 15:20:32 GMT
You’ve heard it here first by Witchy .
Multiculturalism brings a wider range of criminality.
Yay!
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 15, 2024 15:54:00 GMT
Posters are stating the BLEEDING OBVIOUS, but without offering (A) reasons behind the child abuse from a particular section of society, or (B) solutions to solving the problem.
Unless you know what the problem is, you cannot fix it
I could criticise British Pakistani men who commit these crimes all day long, I could call them names, and say how depraved they are, and how they ought to be punished.
But what we really need is solutions to stop it, and that has got to come from rewiring how these people think, how they percieve women and girls, education, begining in schools and going all the way to Mosques and community centres.
Its also far too late to criticise "multi-culturalism", because multi-culturalism is here, and here its going to stay, and for those that dont like it, its tough, you have to live with it.
Context ... The vast majority of British people of Pakistani origin are horrified by what some of their own people have done in relation to sexual abuse against womenn and young girls, and unlike wankers like Tommy Robinson or Lee Anderson, I refuse to stereotype an entire section of society due to the actions of a few.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 15, 2024 16:00:44 GMT
Posters are stating the BLEEDING OBVIOUS, but without offering (A) reasons behind the child abuse from a particular section of society, or (B) solutions to solving the problem. Unless you know what the problem is, you cannot fix it I could criticise British Pakistani men who commit these crimes all day long, I could call them names, and say how depraved they are, and how they ought to be punished. But what we really need is solutions to stop it, and that has got to come from rewiring how these people think, how they percieve women and girls, education, begining in schools and going all the way to Mosques and community centres. Its also far too late to criticise "multi-culturalism", because multi-culturalism is here, and here its going to stay, and for those that dont like it, its tough, you have to live with it. Context ... The vast majority of British people of Pakistani origin are horrified by what some of their own people have done in relation to sexual abuse against womenn and young girls, and unlike wankers like Tommy Robinson or Lee Anderson, I refuse to stereotype an entire section of society due to the actions of a few. What it needs to stop it is stop shutting down people like Tommy Robinson and Lee Anderson, who are making us aware these animals exist, if it wasn't for the likes of Tommy Robinson or Lee Anderson the police and the establishment would continue to protect and cover up the crimes of these animals for fear of upsetting the Pakistan communities and upsetting the woke snowflakes, the only reason these animals got away with it for so long is due to the establishment cover up, and protecting these animals for fear of being accused of racism, the solution is STOP COVERING UP FOR THESE ANIMALS, name and shame them and plaster their faces over ever media outlet sources available. |
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 15, 2024 16:14:44 GMT
You’ve heard it here first by Witchy . Multiculturalism brings a wider range of criminality. Yay! It's why he and his type support it. You mentioned the Pakistani grooming gangs earlier. Imagine the joy his lot have screaming xenophobes and racists toward the victims and their families. |
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