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Post by sandypine on Sept 6, 2024 18:16:25 GMT
I got virtually nowhere with the race definition I asked for. Is there any chance someone could indicate what hard and far right opinions are and who has them that makes them hard or far right.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 6, 2024 18:34:18 GMT
It’s impossible now because left and right is a subjective concept . As I pointed out in a previous post Che Guevara, Noam Chomsky and a purple haired , non binary, postmodernist, white make hating , critical race theory studying lesbian are all considered left wing but are different creatures . And the left wing militant union men working the docks , print and construction industry would most likely be seen as right wingers today l
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Post by sandypine on Sept 6, 2024 19:11:31 GMT
It’s impossible now because left and right is a subjective concept . As I pointed out in a previous post Che Guevara, Noam Chomsky and a purple haired , non binary, postmodernist, white make hating , critical race theory studying lesbian are all considered left wing but are different creatures . And the left wing militant union men working the docks , print and construction industry would most likely be seen as right wingers today l However it is used as both a term of abuse and as means to dismiss people, is used to excess by some on here and by the Labour government yet no one seems able to tell us what opinions are far right.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 6, 2024 19:30:09 GMT
It’s impossible now because left and right is a subjective concept . As I pointed out in a previous post Che Guevara, Noam Chomsky and a purple haired , non binary, postmodernist, white make hating , critical race theory studying lesbian are all considered left wing but are different creatures . And the left wing militant union men working the docks , print and construction industry would most likely be seen as right wingers today l However it is used as both a term of abuse and as means to dismiss people, is used to excess by some on here and by the Labour government yet no one seems able to tell us what opinions are far right. Lefties define far right as anything ‘ right ‘ of their beliefs . Apart from a few like Darling they claim that they are centre or centre left . They might say the same about those they believe are right wing . Tbh I cant take seriously anyone who claims that the concept of right and left wing politics is objective rather than subjective.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 6, 2024 19:47:30 GMT
However it is used as both a term of abuse and as means to dismiss people, is used to excess by some on here and by the Labour government yet no one seems able to tell us what opinions are far right. Lefties define far right as anything ‘ right ‘ of their beliefs . Apart from a few like Darling they claim that they are centre or centre left . They might say the same about those they believe are right wing . Tbh I cant take seriously anyone who claims that the concept of right and left wing politics is objective rather than subjective. You are probably right as although I place myself as righty for want of a better word most of my principles are probably leftish in the true sense broadly from the old Labour party, not this mish mash of intelligentsia, academics and victims.
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Post by Tinculin on Sept 7, 2024 4:47:31 GMT
The far right often show politics of White supremacy, naziism, holocaust denying, desire denying civil liberties to those they don’t approve of, which is very usually along racial/cultural lines.
The far left are very similar, anti-Semitic, authoritarian in their politics, racist - as anti-white as their counterparts are supremacists & misandrist. Anti-free speech, play extremely into victim politics, often promoting two tier racial/cultural policies in favour of non-whites.
While the targets of both groups ire is different, their philosophy’s are otherwise more aligned than they’re likely to admit.
I guess what defines extreme/hard/far right or left is how heavily an individual leans into such views.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 7, 2024 7:40:39 GMT
The far right often show politics of White supremacy, naziism, holocaust denying, desire denying civil liberties to those they don’t approve of, which is very usually along racial/cultural lines. The far left are very similar, anti-Semitic, authoritarian in their politics, racist - as anti-white as their counterparts are supremacists & misandrist. Anti-free speech, play extremely into victim politics, often promoting two tier racial/cultural policies in favour of non-whites. While the targets of both groups ire is different, their philosophy’s are otherwise more aligned than they’re likely to admit. I guess what defines extreme/hard/far right or left is how heavily an individual leans into such views. If we can unpick that for a second. Is it only white people that can be far right or do you mean racial supremacy of any sort? Nazism is a bit more problematic because how the particular Nationalist policies manifested themselves in 1930s Germany are a far cry from modern Nationalism, the SNP have all the hallmarks of the progressive left and it is difficult to know where Scottish Nationalism would lead. Holocaust denial is very big in the Arab world. The discussion of history freely with all its true capability of being reinterpreted is not the same as wilful revisionism. Casting an historical fact in stone is a truly dangerous route to take although I fully understand that revisionism for political purposes is now widespread but that is the price to pay for open consideration of historical facts. Colston being recast as a villain instead of a philanthropist is that reinterpretation or revisionist, I suspect a bit of both. All countries tend to be racially/culturally orientated it only seems to be in the West where that is disapproved of and interpreted as far right. The far left to my memory were virulently anti racist of any sort, although there was always a tendency to support the PLO which I could never understand, perhaps it was the revolutionary aspect. Cable street seemed to be the very antithesis of anti semitism. How things turn volte face. The main problem that I see is how easily people, actions and events are branded as far right and dismissed as unworthy or dangerous when they display none of the above attributes but are affixed with them by insidious extrapolation from what they do say and stand for. Populism is another word that borders on denigration yet is the very basis of democracy. The recent riots were clearly as a result of widespread discontent with aspects of recent, and continued government policy, that had a couple of sparks to set it in motion. and was overtaken by the thug element as most riots are. This appears to be the one riot in the last few decades where there seems to be no intent to set up any sort of investigation as to why they happened as the reasons why they happened have already been laid at the door of far right malcontents by government and MSN repetition.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 7, 2024 8:33:23 GMT
I got virtually nowhere with the race definition I asked for. Is there any chance someone could indicate what hard and far right opinions are and who has them that makes them hard or far right. "So you fink you is f'ing ard eh?"
Vickers hardness test
Another British invention.
(And yes it was named after the infamous Vickers of Vickers shipyards etc closing down, cos it int half grim oop North. )
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 7, 2024 10:03:01 GMT
The far right often show politics of White supremacy, naziism, holocaust denying, desire denying civil liberties to those they don’t approve of, which is... The unfortunate truth of the matter is that in searching for a political solution to the West's demographic and cultural problems it is more likely to be found in what you characterise as the 'far right' zone of the spectrum than it is in the zone that the mainstream 'milquetoast' parties inhabit today.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 7, 2024 10:16:46 GMT
Far right - deport all non-British (white population).
Centre right - restrict immigration to a sensible amount and come down hard on foreign imported unacceptable behaviour like acid attacks.
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Post by piglet on Sept 8, 2024 10:38:34 GMT
To filter all throgh a culinder, the culinder of left and right is misleading, both can be right and wrong.
The real filter is conscience, and as mentioned above, what is right and wrong. The least able to make such judgements are indeed politicians, so who?
I put it to you that making such judgements is simpler than you think, what really effs it up is the political wars, the pursuance of power. Politicians will lie, and do, to achieve such, look at Blair, as power hungry as it comes, wreaking havoc everywhere.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 8, 2024 10:45:28 GMT
“ The far right often show politics of White supremacy, naziism, holocaust denying, desire denying civil liberties to those they don’t approve of, which is...”
So the “ Nation of Islam “ and the extreme Anti white narratives are far right wing ?
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 8, 2024 11:32:46 GMT
“ The far right often show politics of White supremacy, naziism, holocaust denying, desire denying civil liberties to those they don’t approve of, which is...” So the “ Nation of Islam “ and the extreme Anti white narratives are far right wing ? The Nation of Islam is a racialist Islamist movement for black people. It can only be all rosy and the Left have no choice but to support it. The far-right is exclusively assigned to white people who just want to stop the mindless destruction of their native countries. The government and media told us so.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 8, 2024 12:39:20 GMT
“ The far right often show politics of White supremacy, naziism, holocaust denying, desire denying civil liberties to those they don’t approve of, which is...” So the “ Nation of Islam “ and the extreme Anti white narratives are far right wing ? The Nation of Islam is a racialist Islamist movement for black people. It can only be all rosy and the Left have no choice but to support it. The far-right is exclusively assigned to white people who just want to stop the mindless destruction of their native countries. The government and media told us so. Racial Islamists are the extreme far right within a Muslim context . Lefties ignore them and concentrate on the white people who realise multiculturalism doesn’t work and want the government to accept that .
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 8, 2024 23:15:04 GMT
The only constant defining the so called "Far Right" would appear to be Nationalism.
Every other characteristic commonly ascribed to the "Far Right" can also be found among those that self identify as left wing.
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