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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 5, 2023 22:49:13 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 6, 2023 0:29:47 GMT
Are you SURE about that I think you will find Matthew Parris took up ‘world in action’s’ challenge to survive for a week on a single man’s SSP - the sun paid back in tbe 70s when you em went through all the hoops signed on, got refused UB40 through insufficient NI and got told to sign up for SSP I recall Parris being deprived of his wallet, cards etc being handed a paltry sum to survive on and having to get tokens for the meter I recall him sitting freezing in a dark, cold, unlit, unseated flat on a Friday night with nothing on the meter and no prospect of anything to supplement his zero finances until Mondays next payment and looking pretty miserable farting line buggery on his diet of eggs chips and beans. About eight years later the stupid bastardised volunteered to do it again This time he ran out of money by Wednesday night. And he insisted this was fine for the unemployed. What a dick I remember listening to Mathew Paris talking about it, this was years later. I'm sure he said he accepted money from the camera crew which he bought food from a local shop with. He admitted he couldn't survive on the sum of money he was supposed to live on. The sickest part of the whole thing was he admitted he could not live like this but felt it "was appropriate" for the victims of his government's unemployment policy to be forced to.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2023 0:40:49 GMT
I remember listening to Mathew Paris talking about it, this was years later. I'm sure he said he accepted money from the camera crew which he bought food from a local shop with. He admitted he couldn't survive on the sum of money he was supposed to live on. The sickest part of the whole thing was he admitted he could not live like this but felt it "was appropriate" for the victims of his government's unemployment policy to be forced to. Tbh, I was protected from the economic realities of civvy street, and looking back I'm glad I was. But I have to say, I doubt many civvies would have swapped places with me.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 6, 2023 1:00:13 GMT
Back in the day Portillo agreed to live with a single parent family and two kids on benefits for a week. I think it was this that made him step down from politics. OK I guess I missed him doing that and thanks to Red for the link.
Somewhere in the yard high pile of letters in the office I have one from him, from his days as one of Norman Lamont's underlings (Secretary of State To The Treasury I think he was). Norman had just delivered the budget that included a requirement for government prime contractors to "pay their subcontractors in thirty days" (this never made it to the speech but was one of the extras in the full budget document). As an IT consultant subcontracting directly to a prime contractor developing the plant control and monitoring software for Torness Power Station, who was on a contract giving the bastards SIXTY days and over which the scium were dragging their feet and were now one hundred and ninety days overdue, owing me thirty six thousand pounds, I was delighted to hear this.
I very, VERY quickly faxed my then MP the Labour backbencher Paul Flynn asking him of he would be interested in asking the chancellor during the budget debate when his constituent (i.e. ME) could expect payment of the thirty six thousand pounds I had been owed for more than six times the new 30 day limit. I sent the invoices to prove the debt and sat back.
Mr Flynn was indeed delighted to put this to Lamont and the televised broadcast from the house showed Mr Flynn standing up and waving a piece of paper i recognised at once as being my letterhead. It was the second time Paul Flynn had acted on something I contacted him about, and as the ONLY MP who has ever done anything for me it was for this reason I mourned his passing a few years ago.
Norman Lamont was of course utterly buggered by this and was completely unable to answer the question and was made to look the pratt he was
About a fortnight later I received a letter from Portillo telling me that the budget statement regarding the requirement for prime contractors to pay their subcontractors inside a time limit was no more than an aspiration in hope they would adopt those recommendations as guidelines, but where custom and practice differed it was not the government policy to impose something other than this, and that my obvious recourse in this situation of non payment was the courts.
A few months later Lamont played his game of chicken with Soros, interest rates hit 23 % and I walked off site to throw myself in the river.
I decided to rung my accountant first and advise he would not be getting his £1000 fee. When he asked whuy I said "well, if you can get my £38,000 plus VAT from this client, you can have your £1000 inc vat".
He transferred me to his wife who dictated a letter to me and made me promise to bring the case back to her to pursue if nothing came of it.
The letter was to the Chairman of the Board of the company owing me the money, and another to the Financial Director, advising them that I had heard from their Chief Account that they were unable to meet my currently overdue invoices to the sum of £x, and that surely I had heard this incorrectly and there was some mistake. I then invited them to rectify this error by sending me a remittance of the sum due, in full, by first class post, in default of which i would have no option but to contact the Inland Revenue and inform them they were trading insolvently.
I sent this off with little hope of any response.
On Monday morning the postman brought me two cheques by recorded delivery settling the entire sum due. This was 8:15am thank god
Following my accountant's instructions I drove like a man posessed to Holinwood, Lancs, the address of the bank upon which the cheques were drawn, and paid them over the counter there into my own bank (paying the 50p per cheque fee) and sat back and prayed
Those in the know will understand that by this action the payment cleared the client company account at 3:30pm and the payment could not then be stopped
The money was credited to my account and cleared two days later.
Two days after THAT I received a letter from my bank telling me that the bank upon which the cheques were drawn had issued an instruction to stop both of them, which of course could not be enacted as the cheques has been cleared past the point they could be stopped by the time the instruction was received.
So I got my money in the end, others who were less prompt to act did not. I tried warning them.
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Post by distant on Feb 1, 2023 2:58:32 GMT
Wasn’t Portillo one of Thatcher’s minor vegetables….? Wasn't he also one of John Major's "bastards"?
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2023 9:05:07 GMT
Wasn’t Portillo one of Thatcher’s minor vegetables….? Wasn't he also one of John Major's "bastards"? Yes, he was, however John Major said to him, "Michael, I could never sack you". Portillo was a Maastricht rebel, but he and John Major were also friends.
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Post by Handyman on Feb 1, 2023 10:56:21 GMT
It was epic. Andrew Neil was great Portillo was always great. And Diane Abbot was always hilarious. It's no wonder she's not a front bencher anymore. Mr Speaker we are going to need a bigger bench
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 11, 2023 22:33:35 GMT
Wasn’t Portillo one of Thatcher’s minor vegetables….? Portillo was a junior treasury minister under Norman Lamont at the time of the game of chicken with George Soros that saw the bank rate rise to 23% for 30 minutes until we pulled out of the ERM and Soros made a profit equal to the GDP of several south american countries. He also had the dubious honour of explaining how his boss’s declaration that restaurant's will be so much quieter now mobile phones have a £100 personal tax liability was good for business and how his other declaration that prime contractors were to be required to pay subcontractors in 30 days wasn't actually going to be put in the budget as Lamont stated from tbe despatch box.
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Post by distant on Feb 13, 2023 10:13:05 GMT
Wasn't he also one of John Major's "bastards" Yes, he was, however John Major said to him, "Michael, I could never sack you". Portillo was a Maastricht rebel, but he and John Major were also friends. Interesting, saying he would never sack him implies that he put personal friendships ahead of other considerations, and he was Prime Minister.
Maybe one of the reasons why his government were mired in sleaze was because his friends, or who he thought were his friends, knew that he wouldn't sack them whatever they did.
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Post by distant on Feb 13, 2023 10:27:21 GMT
Here is Portillo and Neil doing a weird Tory dance. Very telling that Caroline Flint joined in.
Of course, Bobby didn't join in because Neil didn't like what Bobby had to say, so he cut him off and went to his crony Portillo. In effect, Neil cancelled him.
Bobby described Neil as arrogant, rude and smug. About right I think.
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Post by sword on Feb 21, 2023 13:53:13 GMT
Portillo was an extremist in the past,i remember that stupid speech at the Tory conference when he said don't mess with the S A S Lol! i believe his father fought with the Republicans against Franco and the Nationalists in the Spanish civil war,from what i have seen Portillo would have sided with Franco.
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Post by patman post on Feb 21, 2023 17:40:47 GMT
Portillo was an extremist in the past,i remember that stupid speech at the Tory conference when he said don't mess with the S A S Lol! i believe his father fought with the Republicans against Franco and the Nationalists in the Spanish civil war,from what i have seen Portillo would have sided with Franco. I find it difficult to imagine Portillo in combat camouflage...
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Post by Vinny on Feb 24, 2023 10:52:55 GMT
Michael Portillo's father didn't carry a gun in the Spanish Civil War, because his brothers were on the other side. So he fought with a knife.
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Post by patman post on Mar 11, 2023 17:57:41 GMT
The sickest part of the whole thing was he admitted he could not live like this but felt it "was appropriate" for the victims of his government's unemployment policy to be forced to. Tbh, I was protected from the economic realities of civvy street, and looking back I'm glad I was. But I have to say, I doubt many civvies would have swapped places with me. Didn’t I read in the past that you enlisted because you couldn’t hack it in civvy street having to make your own decisions for your own welfare and deciding what was right and wrong enough to keep you out of young offenders institutes… ?
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 11, 2023 18:08:40 GMT
Tbh, I was protected from the economic realities of civvy street, and looking back I'm glad I was. But I have to say, I doubt many civvies would have swapped places with me. Didn’t I read in the past that you enlisted because you couldn’t hack it in civvy street having to make your own decisions for your own welfare and deciding what was right and wrong enough to keep you out of young offenders institutes… Couldn't hack it in civvy street? lol are you serious? Pat, I joined the army aged 17 largely because I was bored and wanted something different. I was a kid I knew nothing about civvy street or the army or life for that matter. It's not a case of I could and you couldn't, it's a case of I did, and you didn't. So wind yer fuckin neck in.
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