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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 1, 2024 17:55:51 GMT
The government that promised you rail privatisation as a path to cheaper travel is allowing a reduction in the discount holders of railcards get Anyone from our rapid left care to defend this ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw8j4d1v2do |
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Post by Totheleft on Sept 1, 2024 19:41:39 GMT
The government that promised you rail privatisation as a path to cheaper travel is allowing a reduction in the discount holders of railcards get Anyone from our rapid left care to defend this ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw8j4d1v2doHo my i will face a increase of less then a pound lol |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 1, 2024 21:38:28 GMT
The government that promised you rail privatisation as a path to cheaper travel is allowing a reduction in the discount holders of railcards get Anyone from our rapid left care to defend this ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw8j4d1v2doHo my i will face a increase of less then a pound lol so who is going to get the cheaper travel? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 1, 2024 22:48:53 GMT
The government that promised you rail privatisation as a path to cheaper travel is allowing a reduction in the discount holders of railcards get Anyone from our rapid left care to defend this ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw8j4d1v2doI'll defend it.
Rail cards are a form of economic distortion. The true cost is seat miles. As a railway operator each train (seats) costs you so much to run, and it has to run down a track and each mile of track is a certain price. So lets say you buy a rail card. Why should you get it cheaper than someone without one? If you have a railcard and are an economic thinker, you will think differently to how you think regarding rail buying decisions, but this is senseless since the best option available to you is no longer the one you choose, i.e. the option that gives you optimum value of money. Without such optimisation your rail firms are chasing other goals and this is what makes them poorer value for money. Play with that idea in your head for a bit and you should see what I'm saying. It's a system optimisation problem. I've considered these gimmicks as economic inefficiency for a long time, but no one else seems to. A while back I heard over in China for transport you pay per mile. That's what I mean. These people think like I do! British business is like a circus where you are the clown and made to jump through many hoops.
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Post by Totheleft on Sept 2, 2024 1:02:36 GMT
Ho my i will face a increase of less then a pound lol so who is going to get the cheaper travel? Whenever there publicly owed You do know its privately owed at the moment . Just checking |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 2, 2024 4:37:58 GMT
Ho my i will face a increase of less then a pound lol so who is going to get the cheaper travel? Not quite sure what you mean really. There's a range of railcards available, and all of them are going to see a reduction. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 2, 2024 4:42:15 GMT
The government that promised you rail privatisation as a path to cheaper travel is allowing a reduction in the discount holders of railcards get Anyone from our rapid left care to defend this ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw8j4d1v2doI'll defend it.
Rail cards are a form of economic distortion. The true cost is seat miles. As a railway operator each train (seats) costs you so much to run, and it has to run down a track and each mile of track is a certain price. So lets say you buy a rail card. Why should you get it cheaper than someone without one? If you have a railcard and are an economic thinker, you will think differently to how you think regarding rail buying decisions, but this is senseless since the best option available to you is no longer the one you choose, i.e. the option that gives you optimum value of money. Without such optimisation your rail firms are chasing other goals and this is what makes them poorer value for money. Play with that idea in your head for a bit and you should see what I'm saying. It's a system optimisation problem. I've considered these gimmicks as economic inefficiency for a long time, but no one else seems to. A while back I heard over in China for transport you pay per mile. That's what I mean. These people think like I do! British business is like a circus where you are the clown and made to jump through many hoops.
So what are your thoughts on smart meter variable half hourly pricing to encourage you to wash your clothes at 3am and subsequently die in your sleep when the machine catches fire and your smoke alarm malfunctions What you clearly fail to take into account is the railcards only offer discounts against OFF PEAK travel and they are targeting people who THEY think either have the time to waste by not travelling until a peak period ends, or who are too cash strapped to travel at peak time. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 2, 2024 6:58:23 GMT
so who is going to get the cheaper travel? Whenever there publicly owed You do know its privately owed at the moment . Just checking Much of it isn't - I'm struggling to see the cheaper fares. Are they hidden? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 2, 2024 7:52:29 GMT
I'll defend it.
Rail cards are a form of economic distortion. The true cost is seat miles. As a railway operator each train (seats) costs you so much to run, and it has to run down a track and each mile of track is a certain price. So lets say you buy a rail card. Why should you get it cheaper than someone without one? If you have a railcard and are an economic thinker, you will think differently to how you think regarding rail buying decisions, but this is senseless since the best option available to you is no longer the one you choose, i.e. the option that gives you optimum value of money. Without such optimisation your rail firms are chasing other goals and this is what makes them poorer value for money. Play with that idea in your head for a bit and you should see what I'm saying. It's a system optimisation problem. I've considered these gimmicks as economic inefficiency for a long time, but no one else seems to. A while back I heard over in China for transport you pay per mile. That's what I mean. These people think like I do! British business is like a circus where you are the clown and made to jump through many hoops.
So what are your thoughts on smart meter variable half hourly pricing to encourage you to wash your clothes at 3am and subsequently die in your sleep when the machine catches fire and your smoke alarm malfunctions What you clearly fail to take into account is the railcards only offer discounts against OFF PEAK travel and they are targeting people who THEY think either have the time to waste by not travelling until a peak period ends, or who are too cash strapped to travel at peak time. I support variable pricing of electricity. It relates to the cost of production. That's an improvement over the flat rate, but the flat rate was good in the past where it was a matter of burning the same coal for the same leccy.
Regarding cost per mile, well I agree it would be better to have a higher cost per mile during peak times. The goal should be to adjust the price so you always have full carriages or almost full. You need a bit of space as a margin of error so anyone who turns up gets a seat.
For your last bit about rail companies imagining how you think, well no they should fuck off. A company is the servant of the customer. The customer does the thinking and the company should be there to say, ah you would like this and that, yes we can do that for you. It all revolves around the idea the customer knows what he needs best.
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 2, 2024 11:44:15 GMT
Whenever there publicly owed You do know its privately owed at the moment . Just checking Much of it isn't - I'm struggling to see the cheaper fares. Are they hidden? The examples quoted in the BBC page show that a ticket bought today for travel the day before the discount reduction are about a quid cheaper than the ticket bought today for travel after the reduction. So the reality is that everyone who currently enjoys a Railcard discount will pay more for travel after I think 15 sept Ironically I won't because the tickets safely stored in my e-wallet for Moira and me to travel to Blackpool to see the illuminations were bought months ago. The real point here is, simply, as the consumer groups all say, this reduction in the discount is small, but it is a step in the wrong direction. There is another issue, and this is where the real problem lies. I'm a fairly enthusiastic user of rail travel to airports and seaports. Saves me the bother of parking the bloody car. I can leave it for free (FOR NOW) at one of two big park and rides and get a train straight to Gatwick, Heathrow or Birmingham Bristol is strangely analretentive but then they're fucking greens and hate air travel Dover and of course Eurostar, Harwich for the Hook of Holland and Portsmouth for various ferries all have rail links. The real reason why you'd book by rail is APEX purchases made between say 3 and 6 months in advance for off peak travel are a FRACTION of the full cost. Moira and I are going to Blackpool Friday Oct 4 off peak at 10:15 for £100 (£50 each) and returning on an any service the following Sunday for £40 (£20 each) Our weekend in Bath for her birthday cost me £35 in total for the two of us, that's both ways, again buying APEX outbound using a fare splitting website. There's a marvellous website for worldwide rail travel including where to buy the tickets called The Man In Seat 61. I used it in the past for my trips to places like Brussels which trust me you WOULD NOT want to fly to. My real worry is the largesse shown by Two Tier Kier will fuck these off peak advance bargains as the train companies will be forced to find ways to increase their take to pay Starmer's wage hikes It is beyond fucking stupid. |
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