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Post by Pacifico on Sept 1, 2024 21:37:41 GMT
Try and keep up - it was a Labour Minister who got that impression...  Impression. "an idea, feeling, or opinion about something or someone." Exaggerated by Rightist nonsense. It looks like you are grasping at politically biased straws one again. Are you bonkers? - a LABOUR MINISTER gets an impression of the service she received from the NHS and you think it is something to do with 'Rightist nonsense' Seems the only nonsense being spouted is by you. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 1, 2024 21:45:15 GMT
Not only did she get the impression , she bragged about it.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 2, 2024 0:18:28 GMT
It is bizarre that somebody who champions equality so much, would then brag about her superior morals leading to a unfair outcome.
Labour MPs need to wake up fast and realise that virtue signalling works well in opposition, but not so much when you hold the reigns of power.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 2, 2024 7:35:25 GMT
For heavens sake don't tell him the NHS has Private Rooms even Wards to treat people who have Medical Insurance, and they will also send NHS Patients for treatment in Private Hospitals for operations at no cost the Patient the taxpayers pay the bill, he will blow a fuse Sensory Overload Sounds like you have only just found out how the NHS works ^^ Perhaps you missed the need for New Labour to send knee and hip operations to be done in the private sector and over in France where there was no waiting lists for such operations, while the NHS had a 12 month waiting list for such ops. That's how bad the Tories left the NHS in 1997. And that after 18 years of Conservative maladministration of the NHS. Wrong my wife was a Nurse for over 30 years , she left the NHS as she got fed up with how badly it was run, so did some of her colleagues she went into the Private Sector and helped carry out Surgery on NHS Patients on a regular basis almost weekly for the NHS to try and reduce the huge waiting lists. She did this when Labour were in power and the Tories neither Party has got a grip on the NHS, nor will be it easier in the future due to the size of the population which is increasing, it is badly run and not efficient even with the largest workforce in Europe it cannot cope with the demand on it 24/7 and money alone will not solve its problems |
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Post by see2 on Sept 2, 2024 8:01:24 GMT
Impression. "an idea, feeling, or opinion about something or someone." Exaggerated by Rightist nonsense. It looks like you are grasping at politically biased straws one again. Are you bonkers? - a LABOUR MINISTER gets an impression of the service she received from the NHS and you think it is something to do with 'Rightist nonsense' Seems the only nonsense being spouted is by you. It is the crap Rightists are throwing at an opinion, try thinking it out. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 2, 2024 8:07:09 GMT
Sounds like you have only just found out how the NHS works ^^ Perhaps you missed the need for New Labour to send knee and hip operations to be done in the private sector and over in France where there was no waiting lists for such operations, while the NHS had a 12 month waiting list for such ops. That's how bad the Tories left the NHS in 1997. And that after 18 years of Conservative maladministration of the NHS. Wrong my wife was a Nurse for over 30 years , she left the NHS as she got fed up with how badly it was run, so did some of her colleagues she went into the Private Sector and helped carry out Surgery on NHS Patients on a regular basis almost weekly for the NHS to try and reduce the huge waiting lists. She did this when Labour were in power and the Tories neither Party has got a grip on the NHS, nor will be it easier in the future due to the size of the population which is increasing, it is badly run and not efficient even with the largest workforce in Europe it cannot cope with the demand on it 24/7 and money alone will not solve its problems My earlier post was in answer to the naivety of the post I replied to. Anyone who is unaware of the improvement of the NHS under New Labour must go around with their eyes closed, a severe case of selective awareness. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 2, 2024 8:13:23 GMT
No wonder I've got see2 on ignore. 🤣 But back to the plot: Either we have a two-tier system, a government minister is lying or, as fiddles posits, the government minister is delusional. Any which way, it's not good is it? Nonsense, its just Righties grasping at straws in order to denigrate the NHS and or Labour. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 2, 2024 8:16:57 GMT
Wrong my wife was a Nurse for over 30 years , she left the NHS as she got fed up with how badly it was run, so did some of her colleagues she went into the Private Sector and helped carry out Surgery on NHS Patients on a regular basis almost weekly for the NHS to try and reduce the huge waiting lists. She did this when Labour were in power and the Tories neither Party has got a grip on the NHS, nor will be it easier in the future due to the size of the population which is increasing, it is badly run and not efficient even with the largest workforce in Europe it cannot cope with the demand on it 24/7 and money alone will not solve its problems My earlier post was in answer to the naivety of the post I replied to. Anyone who is unaware of the improvement of the NHS under New Labour must go around with their eyes closed, a severe case of selective awareness. Take your rose tinted glasses off, the reality is not much changed under Labour despite their slogan " 24 hours to save the NHS" we still had mixed wards when voted out of office the waiting lists were still far too long, Labour have run the Welsh NHS for years and is still failing to cope As I stated neither Party has got to grips with the NHS it is not run efficiently and never will be as long as the Politicians still think money will solve its problems it hasn't over the years and never will. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 2, 2024 8:28:02 GMT
My earlier post was in answer to the naivety of the post I replied to. Anyone who is unaware of the improvement of the NHS under New Labour must go around with their eyes closed, a severe case of selective awareness. Take your rose tinted glasses off, the reality is not much changed under Labour despite their slogan " 24 hours to save the NHS" we still had mixed wards when voted out of office the waiting lists were still far too long, Labour have run the Welsh NHS for years and is still failing to cope As I stated neither Party has got to grips with the NHS it is not run efficiently and never will be as long as the Politicians still think money will solve its problems it hasn't over the years and never will. Wake up for goodness sake, New Labour inherited a big black financial hole where the NHS used to be, caused by Thatcher's determination to get people to go private. "24 hours to save the NHS" was a case of getting rid of the Conservatives in the election. Because the Conservatives were intent on reducing the NHS to a low level two tier health system. The Welsh NHS has nothing to do with the English NHS, you are just grasping at straws. New Labour proved you are wrong. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 2, 2024 8:37:59 GMT
Wrong my wife was a Nurse for over 30 years , she left the NHS as she got fed up with how badly it was run, so did some of her colleagues she went into the Private Sector and helped carry out Surgery on NHS Patients on a regular basis almost weekly for the NHS to try and reduce the huge waiting lists. She did this when Labour were in power and the Tories neither Party has got a grip on the NHS, nor will be it easier in the future due to the size of the population which is increasing, it is badly run and not efficient even with the largest workforce in Europe it cannot cope with the demand on it 24/7 and money alone will not solve its problems My earlier post was in answer to the naivety of the post I replied to. Anyone who is unaware of the improvement of the NHS under New Labour must go around with their eyes closed, a severe case of selective awareness. No doubt it improved but the costs of those improvements were by and large passed down the line by way of PFI contracts. If one improves something for 58 million people but invites another 5 million people to come in and enjoy the benefits then those improvements lose their effectiveness. Most especially if those who are invited in come from countries with poor health regimes and where many of the actual people you invite have proven greater susceptibility to many health issues. If one accepts that improvements occurred then if one is honest one has to accept where it all went tits up as well. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 2, 2024 8:43:41 GMT
Take your rose tinted glasses off, the reality is not much changed under Labour despite their slogan " 24 hours to save the NHS" we still had mixed wards when voted out of office the waiting lists were still far too long, Labour have run the Welsh NHS for years and is still failing to cope As I stated neither Party has got to grips with the NHS it is not run efficiently and never will be as long as the Politicians still think money will solve its problems it hasn't over the years and never will. Wake up for goodness sake, New Labour inherited a big black financial hole where the NHS used to be, caused by Thatcher's determination to get people to go private. "24 hours to save the NHS" was a case of getting rid of the Conservatives in the election. Because the Conservatives were intent on reducing the NHS to a low level two tier health system. The Welsh NHS has nothing to do with the English NHS, you are just grasping at straws. New Labour proved you are wrong. You do have a weird imagination the slogan by Blair was just that a slogan to defeat the Tories what changed ? very little all Maggie's fault of course how desperate can you get to come out with that sheer nonsense. My wife and I wife took out Private Medical Insurance under Labour and kept it in place until earlier this year because the NHS was failing back then it still is failing the population right across the UK no matter which Party is or has been in Office. It cannot cope with the size of the Population which is increasing that is the starling truth that some cannot see or don't want to see, it needs to be made more efficient more cost effective or it will collapse |
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 2, 2024 9:07:00 GMT
Not only did she get the impression , she bragged about it. The National Health Service must now be a hotbed of Islamist terrorists and their supporters, much like the BBC.
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Post by see2 on Sept 2, 2024 16:46:23 GMT
My earlier post was in answer to the naivety of the post I replied to. Anyone who is unaware of the improvement of the NHS under New Labour must go around with their eyes closed, a severe case of selective awareness. Take your rose tinted glasses off, the reality is not much changed under Labour despite their slogan " 24 hours to save the NHS" we still had mixed wards when voted out of office the waiting lists were still far too long, Labour have run the Welsh NHS for years and is still failing to cope As I stated neither Party has got to grips with the NHS it is not run efficiently and never will be as long as the Politicians still think money will solve its problems it hasn't over the years and never will. There were massive changes under New Labour, and the NHS despite the international meltdown, was in a better condition in 2010 than it was in 1997. Perhaps you needed to visit Specsavers. Or perhaps just stop reading biased right-wing newspapers like the Mail and others, that might help you. IIRC, Starmer has ideas about some use of the private sector in a way that is beneficial to the NHS. I know what you stated, it was nothing more than stunted thinking on your part, and therefore worthless opinion. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 2, 2024 18:58:56 GMT
Take your rose tinted glasses off, the reality is not much changed under Labour despite their slogan " 24 hours to save the NHS" we still had mixed wards when voted out of office the waiting lists were still far too long, Labour have run the Welsh NHS for years and is still failing to cope As I stated neither Party has got to grips with the NHS it is not run efficiently and never will be as long as the Politicians still think money will solve its problems it hasn't over the years and never will. There were massive changes under New Labour, and the NHS despite the international meltdown, was in a better condition in 2010 than it was in 1997. Perhaps you needed to visit Specsavers. Or perhaps just stop reading biased right-wing newspapers like the Mail and others, that might help you. IIRC, Starmer has ideas about some use of the private sector in a way that is beneficial to the NHS. I know what you stated, it was nothing more than stunted thinking on your part, and therefore worthless opinion. I must have hit a nerve with facts , hence your usual kind of reply I have always considered you a worthless perjure individual and about as much use to Debate as a one legged man at an arse kicking party. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 2, 2024 19:50:41 GMT
There were massive changes under New Labour, and the NHS despite the international meltdown, was in a better condition in 2010 than it was in 1997. Perhaps you needed to visit Specsavers. Or perhaps just stop reading biased right-wing newspapers like the Mail and others, that might help you. IIRC, Starmer has ideas about some use of the private sector in a way that is beneficial to the NHS. I know what you stated, it was nothing more than stunted thinking on your part, and therefore worthless opinion. I must have hit a nerve with facts , hence your usual kind of reply I have always considered you a worthless perjure individual and about as much use to Debate as a one legged man at an arse kicking party. Your post is the sort of post expected, straight from the DNA of a frustrated Righty. Its probably how you make yourself feel bigger than you actually are. |
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