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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 30, 2024 15:39:38 GMT
I've long argued that the minimum salary required for a work permit should be in six figures, these days probably £250,000. That would quickly help to clarify the thinking of employers with regard to the merits of training of local workers versus hiring from abroad. As it stands today, an Indian contractor wishing to import IT 'specialists' from the subcontinent does not even have to pay the London 'living wage' of £13.15, which is itself less than two-thirds of the national average salary. Wow, £250,000 should work. But Labour immediately scrapped the law that the Tories made that ratchetted up the minimum salary to about £38k - it's being left at under £30k, which is crazy. We're allowing people in who will immediately be drawing benefits. I used to work for a US Software company. They didn't need to import Indians. They just set up a few branches in India and recruited employees (at a small fraction of the UK wage) and had them working remotely - which is very easy nowadays. And the English company never paid any corporation tax because the US main company charged the UK company royalties on their software which was adjusted to make the UK company non-profit making. This is why the UK is going down the plughole. Well, if you put two and two together you eventually get there. All The Best |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 31, 2024 6:08:59 GMT
Indian contractors like Tata, Wipro and Infosys go both ways. They'll offshore the work or import the workers. And they do it in the US where they dominate the H1B visa system and in the UK where they milk the intracompany visa system for all its worth. They've basically killed IT as a career option for non-Indians in both countries. Infosys is the company owned by Sunak's father-in-law. The father of Sunak's wife Akshita basically made his billions from putting loads of British IT workers out of a job. And Sunak opened the floodgates to visas for hundreds of thousands of Indians and their dependants. Those are two of the reasons that I was so pissed off that SUnak managed to elbow his way into Downing Street. Give me Boris (or even Truss) any day. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 31, 2024 7:15:09 GMT
Saying something ought to be the very first step in a process doesn't preclude other subsequent steps.
(This in response to PV)
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 31, 2024 10:51:30 GMT
If anyone wants to avoid poverty there are 3 pretty simple actions that will almost guarantee it.
1: Finish school.
2: Get a job, any job and work full time.
3: Dont get married before 21 and have children only when married.
Follow those 3 steps and you have just a 2% chance of ending up in poverty.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 31, 2024 16:51:31 GMT
If anyone wants to avoid poverty there are 3 pretty simple actions that will almost guarantee it. 1: Finish school. 2: Get a job, any job and work full time. 3: Dont get married before 21 and have children only when married. Follow those 3 steps and you have just a 2% chance of ending up in poverty. I agree with the points you make, what sensible person wouldn't. I'm no psychologist but I do know children's outcomes are greatly improved if they grow up in a stable family structure in which mum and dad are married. But in all honesty, I doubt pampered gen Z types who regard marriage as old fashioned, would do any job. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 31, 2024 18:13:21 GMT
Saying something ought to be the very first step in a process doesn't preclude other subsequent steps.
(This in response to PV)
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The UK is going down the plughole precisely because UK companies use creative accounting to pay no corporate tax. The company steppenwolf alluded to is part of the reason the UK is going down the shitter. And he was borderline bragging about it. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 31, 2024 18:16:27 GMT
If anyone wants to avoid poverty there are 3 pretty simple actions that will almost guarantee it. 1: Finish school. 2: Get a job, any job and work full time.3: Dont get married before 21 and have children only when married. Follow those 3 steps and you have just a 2% chance of ending up in poverty. See, this is just wrong. There are people who finished school, got "any job", work more than full time, and who are still in poverty because of artificially high housing costs and a rigged utility market that exists to only benefit shareholders. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 31, 2024 19:31:39 GMT
See, this is just wrong. There are people who finished school, got "any job", work more than full time, and who are still in poverty because of artificially high housing costs and a rigged utility market that exists to only benefit shareholders. All The Best If you seriously think we have poverty in this country, you don't understand what poverty is. There are poor people in this country no doubt about it and their plight is made worse by hundreds of thousands of penniless immigrants being pushed to the front of the benefits/housing queue. Why do you think we have a lack of housing, lack of GP places, lack of school places, why do you think social infrastructure is at breaking point? Do you think it may have anything to do with the population increasing by 8 million in two decades, net migration at 780,000 a year and hundreds of thousands of illegals crossing the channel every year? You cant squeeze a quart into a pint pot. Although I'm sure this government will try, until the riots start. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 31, 2024 21:24:23 GMT
If anyone wants to avoid poverty there are 3 pretty simple actions that will almost guarantee it. 1: Finish school. 2: Get a job, any job and work full time.3: Dont get married before 21 and have children only when married. Follow those 3 steps and you have just a 2% chance of ending up in poverty. See, this is just wrong. There are people who finished school, got "any job", work more than full time, and who are still in poverty because of artificially high housing costs and a rigged utility market that exists to only benefit shareholders. All The Best Nope - hardly anyone who works full time and meets the other criteria is in poverty. Yes some in a job might be in poverty but they would also have some other issue dragging them down. That doesn't mean that housing costs are not too high but when you are importing half of the third world who need housing what do you expect?. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 1, 2024 5:55:51 GMT
Saying something ought to be the very first step in a process doesn't preclude other subsequent steps.
(This in response to PV)
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The UK is going down the plughole precisely because UK companies use creative accounting to pay no corporate tax. The company steppenwolf alluded to is part of the reason the UK is going down the shitter. And he was borderline bragging about it. All The Best I was in no way bragging about it. A US company (EDS) moved in and bought a thriving British software company (that paid a lot of tax and employed quite a lot of British people) and turned it into a satellite of the US company that employed mostly Indians (on cheap wages) and paid no tax. This happens quite often when British companies are sold to foreigners, but our govt doesn't seem bothered about it. We're quite happy allowing our businesses to be bought by foreigners and for all the profits to go abroad. Crazy. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 1, 2024 10:04:50 GMT
See, this is just wrong. There are people who finished school, got "any job", work more than full time, and who are still in poverty because of artificially high housing costs and a rigged utility market that exists to only benefit shareholders. All The Best Nope - hardly anyone who works full time and meets the other criteria is in poverty. You have anu evidence at all to back that up, or is it jus GN News Tory HQ propaganda. Over 50% of the people I know that meet all 3 of your criteria routinely have to make the "heat or eat" decision. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 1, 2024 10:12:46 GMT
Yes some in a job might be in poverty but they would also have some other issue dragging them down. That you admit other factors may drag people down clearly indicates you know your 3 criteria are utter bullshit. That doesn't mean that housing costs are not too high but when you are importing half of the third world who need housing what do you expect?. We aren't importing half the 3rd world. Housing cost are hight because of a multitude of factors, immigration being one of the very minor ones. Land Banking Housing being seen as an "get rich quick investment" rather than a societal necessity. Privatisation of former Social Housing Organisations. All cause far more of an inflationary trend in housing costs than immigration. That's not to say immigration isn't also a causal factor, it is. For very obvious politically ideological reasons I have outlined numerous times. Until we change the prevailing economic model immigration will be used as a tool to drive up private-sector, often off-shored, profits with no need for investment in either goods or services. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 1, 2024 10:33:11 GMT
Yes some in a job might be in poverty but they would also have some other issue dragging them down. That you admit other factors may drag people down clearly indicates you know your 3 criteria are utter bullshit. Yes - they either didn't finish school or had a kid or got married too young. The system works - follow those simple rules and you will not be in poverty. twaddle - Net migration accounts for around 89% of the 1.34 million increase in England’s housing deficit (the amount of homes we have underbuilt by) in the last 10 years |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 1, 2024 10:55:47 GMT
That you admit other factors may drag people down clearly indicates you know your 3 criteria are utter bullshit. Yes - they either didn't finish school or had a kid or got married too young. No, you are dishonestly moving goalposts here. They have met your 3 criteria and are still in poverty. You have admitted there are OTHER factors - ie. NOT the three criteria. Now you are claiming the "other factors" are the "three criteria". You are either suffering from dementia, have no idea how to formulate a coherent argument, or are lying; which is it? All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 1, 2024 14:29:04 GMT
Yes - they either didn't finish school or had a kid or got married too young. No, you are dishonestly moving goalposts here. They have met your 3 criteria and are still in poverty. You have admitted there are OTHER factors - ie. NOT the three criteria. Now you are claiming the "other factors" are the "three criteria". You are either suffering from dementia, have no idea how to formulate a coherent argument, or are lying; which is it? All The Best If you do not understand what the discussion is fair enough - but try and keep it civil. I'll repeat what I said .. slowly.. so you might understand.
1: Finish school.
2: Get a job, any job and work full time.
3: Dont get married before 21 and have children only when married.
Follow those 3 steps and you have just a 2% chance of ending up in poverty.
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