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Post by Vinny on Aug 25, 2024 23:21:54 GMT
Set about a long term project to cut house price inflation and get wages back in balance.
House prices should be 2-3 times the average annual salary.
Raise interest rates. Get investors saving by traditional methods instead of buying houses as investments.
Replace ISAs with more attractive Tax Exempt Special Savings Accounts AND have those accounts open and accessible to put money in, and draw out at leisure with a mandatory 25% interest rate on savings. They can offer loans at high rates, make them offer savings at high rates too. And make them offer 35% interest taxed savings accounts too with a 3% tax on those accounts.
Also build more social housing with right to buy and obligation to build more or buy from the market to replace social stock.
Control immigration.
Re-industrialise to UK.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 26, 2024 0:43:51 GMT
Well firstly we have to agree on a definition of poverty. We havent seen abject poverty in this country since the slum clearances. In some countries abject poverty and outrageous wealth live side by side, India, China, Brazil immediately spring to mind. But we don't have abject poverty in this country. Some people are poor no doubt about it, some people need help and there's nothing wrong with helping those who genuinely need it. But also, some people have become reliant on the welfare state. The current DWP budget is £240 billion (of which £118 billion is pensions) that's £20 billion a month. It sounds ridiculous doesn't it, £20 billion a month! But the fact is the DWP budget will go up it's inevitable, and that will be funded by tax.
We have to get people off the sick, and I don't mean genuinely sick people. We have to get people out of the idea that benefits are a way of life, or a right. Victorian working conditions are long gone, but right now 4.2 million working age people are claiming benefits of some sort and three million working age people are claiming long term sickness payments, this is a case of a welfare state that is out of control. So I would suggest a more fitting thread title might be, how to get the massive welfare budget down.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 26, 2024 6:36:58 GMT
"So I would suggest a more fitting thread title might be, how to get the massive welfare budget down."
Nice thought, but we all know that under the Labour Party that bill is only going to rise. They have already increased it by £18 Billion just through their asylum amnesty - and that cost is going to continue to rise in future years.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 26, 2024 6:56:32 GMT
The bottom line is that we need to cut the size of the state sector relative to GDP. State revenue (taxes etc) is currently about 40% of GDP but state spending (like infrastructure, civil service, benefits etc) is over 45%. When Gordon Brown was booted out of office it was over 50%. When state spending is greater than state revenue we're basically running a deficit and the govt needs to borrow money by issuing gilts. As a general rule you find that rich countries have small state sectors (e.g. Singapore's is 15% of GDP) and consequently they have very high GDP per capita so the people are rich. The GDP per capita of the UK hasn't grown for years and we consistently run a state of greater than 40% of GDP which is unsustainable. Labour's answer to this problem is always to increase taxation to increase tax revenue - when what they should be doing is reducing state spending. We should be cutting the civil service to the bone, cutting the benefits bill and cutting public sector pay, but Labour traditionally do the opposite. Brown actually used expansion of the civil service to "increase" GDP. Crazy stuff, but for some reason I will never understand the cost of the civil service is included in GDP so Brown could maintain the pretence that our GDP was increasing by simply employing more useless civil servants.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 26, 2024 7:50:18 GMT
The very first step to eliminate poverty ought to be stop admitting poor people to the country.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 26, 2024 7:57:25 GMT
The very first step to eliminate poverty ought to be stop admitting poor people to the country. I suspect they have done work for MI6 is assassinating their enemies, so they owe them one.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 26, 2024 8:19:02 GMT
The very first step to eliminate poverty ought to be stop admitting poor people to the country. You would think that was in the realms of the 'bleedin obvious' but for some reason it escapes the minds of most politicians.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 26, 2024 8:46:11 GMT
The very first step to eliminate poverty ought to be stop admitting poor people to the country. You would think that was in the realms of the 'bleedin obvious' but for some reason it escapes the minds of most politicians. Ask were we imported BLM from.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 27, 2024 6:15:22 GMT
The very first step to eliminate poverty ought to be stop admitting poor people to the country. Yes they should not inflate the benefits bill, but Labour are going to grant asylum to about 90,000 illegal immigrants and has also scrapped the Tories' gradual ratcheting up of the minimum salary (to £38k) for immigrants. Both of these will make the benefits bill bigger. In fact virtually everything that Labour are doing increases state sector spending, which is the opposite of what's required. Rachel "I used to work for the Bank of England" Reeves has about as good a grasp of basic economics as Andrew Bailey.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 27, 2024 10:28:11 GMT
The very first step to eliminate poverty ought to be stop admitting poor people to the country. Precisely, who knew? The tax payer is currently forking out £5.5 billion a year in hotel bills alone (£billions more in other immigrant related expenses) for hundreds of thousands of penniless illegals who will inevitably be escorted to the front of the housing queue and paid every benefit on offer. It just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 28, 2024 8:05:08 GMT
I've long argued that the minimum salary required for a work permit should be in six figures, these days probably £250,000.
That would quickly help to clarify the thinking of employers with regard to the merits of training of local workers versus hiring from abroad.
As it stands today, an Indian contractor wishing to import IT 'specialists' from the subcontinent does not even have to pay the London 'living wage' of £13.15, which is itself less than two-thirds of the national average salary.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 29, 2024 20:14:01 GMT
Set about a long term project to cut house price inflation and get wages back in balance. House prices should be 2-3 times the average annual salary. Far too many vested interests in maintaining a perpetually over-heated housing market. Including the Government who use the revenue from such to mask systemic weaknesses in the rest of the economy due to to decades of serial mismanagement and under-investment by the old-school-tie network. All The Best
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 30, 2024 6:29:26 GMT
I've long argued that the minimum salary required for a work permit should be in six figures, these days probably £250,000. That would quickly help to clarify the thinking of employers with regard to the merits of training of local workers versus hiring from abroad. As it stands today, an Indian contractor wishing to import IT 'specialists' from the subcontinent does not even have to pay the London 'living wage' of £13.15, which is itself less than two-thirds of the national average salary. Wow, £250,000 should work. But Labour immediately scrapped the law that the Tories made that ratchetted up the minimum salary to about £38k - it's being left at under £30k, which is crazy. We're allowing people in who will immediately be drawing benefits. I used to work for a US Software company. They didn't need to import Indians. They just set up a few branches in India and recruited employees (at a small fraction of the UK wage) and had them working remotely - which is very easy nowadays. And the English company never paid any corporation tax because the US main company charged the UK company royalties on their software which was adjusted to make the UK company non-profit making. This is why the UK is going down the plughole.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 30, 2024 8:39:06 GMT
Indian contractors like Tata, Wipro and Infosys go both ways. They'll offshore the work or import the workers. And they do it in the US where they dominate the H1B visa system and in the UK where they milk the intracompany visa system for all its worth. They've basically killed IT as a career option for non-Indians in both countries.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 30, 2024 15:37:46 GMT
The very first step to eliminate poverty ought to be stop admitting poor people to the country. Surely it makes sense to stop creating poor people here as well. You seem to be saying it is wrong to economically exploit foreign workers, but perfectly fine to do so to native workers. All The Best
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