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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 27, 2024 13:30:59 GMT
A tiny percentage of 1% of the people who attended were involved in criminal activity and stabbings. I wouldn't call that cultural because if I did I would have to accept an awful lot of horrific crimes as being part of British culture or be dammed as a hypocrite. The point is - if the same amount of disruption criminality and stabbings took place at any other annual event, that was not a black event, it would have been banned years ago. And you know it. That wasn't JoG's point that I was responding to. There's disruption and criminality associated with football every week and we haven't banned that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 27, 2024 13:38:52 GMT
The point is - if the same amount of disruption criminality and stabbings took place at any other annual event, that was not a black event, it would have been banned years ago. And you know it. That wasn't JoG's point that I was responding to. There's disruption and criminality associated with football every week and we haven't banned that. If the Notting Hill carnival was policed as robustly as football matches there would have been tens of thousands of arrests. Of course that would never happen because it would be racist. Outside screenings of big football matches – traditional in the capital’s big parks – banned by Khan the incompetent. link |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 27, 2024 13:46:12 GMT
That wasn't JoG's point that I was responding to. There's disruption and criminality associated with football every week and we haven't banned that. If the Notting Hill carnival was policed as robustly as football matches there would have been tens of thousands of arrests. Of course that would never happen because it would be racist. Outside screenings of big football matches – traditional in the capital’s big parks – banned by Khan the incompetent. linkA football ground is much easier to police and safeguard than a large open air chunk of London. It's much easier to ban known trouble makers from football grounds than from an open air festival. You could put up fencing and ticketing like Glastonbury I suppose but that would cost money and deter people from going and spending money. And that I suspect is why there is no entertainment of the idea of banning it, not because of racial sensitivities but because it "is thought to generate as much as £300 million for the London economy." www.standard.co.uk/going-out/attractions/notting-hill-carnival-2024-b1177496.html |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 27, 2024 13:48:52 GMT
In 2022/2023, the total attendance for the Premier League was 15,289,751,
Note that’s just the premier league .
If assaults and stabbing at football matches per year were proportional to Notting Hill carnival the government would have to ban them .
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 27, 2024 13:52:19 GMT
If the Notting Hill carnival was policed as robustly as football matches there would have been tens of thousands of arrests. Of course that would never happen because it would be racist. Outside screenings of big football matches – traditional in the capital’s big parks – banned by Khan the incompetent. linkA football ground is much easier to police and safeguard than a large open air chunk of London. It's much easier to ban known trouble makers from football grounds than from an open air festival. You could put up fencing and ticketing like Glastonbury I suppose but that would cost money and deter people from going and spending money. And that I suspect is why there is no entertainment of the idea of banning it, not because of racial sensitivities but because it "is thought to generate as much as £300 million for the London economy." www.standard.co.uk/going-out/attractions/notting-hill-carnival-2024-b1177496.htmlYou're prevaricating. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 27, 2024 13:56:14 GMT
If the Notting Hill carnival was policed as robustly as football matches there would have been tens of thousands of arrests. Of course that would never happen because it would be racist. Outside screenings of big football matches – traditional in the capital’s big parks – banned by Khan the incompetent. linkA football ground is much easier to police and safeguard than a large open air chunk of London. It's much easier to ban known trouble makers from football grounds than from an open air festival. You could put up fencing and ticketing like Glastonbury I suppose but that would cost money and deter people from going and spending money. And that I suspect is why there is no entertainment of the idea of banning it, not because of racial sensitivities but because it "is thought to generate as much as £300 million for the London economy." www.standard.co.uk/going-out/attractions/notting-hill-carnival-2024-b1177496.htmlBu they do not just police the ground, they are on all approach routes and pinch points. I have been in the queue for Mount Florida station after a Hampden park game and the police man on the police horse was not polite, swore a lot and kept his horse tight to the queue in an uncomfortable way. It worked though the queue was orderly and there was no fighting as regards queue jumpers |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 27, 2024 14:00:45 GMT
In 2022/2023, the total attendance for the Premier League was 15,289,751, Note that’s just the premier league . If assaults and stabbing at football matches per year were proportional to Notting Hill carnival the government would have to ban them . I never said that they were proportional and as I pointed out football matches in enclosed stadiums are much easier to police and this has come about through reforms after decades of football hooliganism which ultimately led to English football teams being banned from European competition after the deaths of 39 people at Heysel. Football does still involve disruption and criminality on a weekly basis. What level of criminality would you be comfortable enough with to allow the Notting Hill festival to ahead every year? The same level as Reading and Leeds presumably? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 27, 2024 14:07:01 GMT
In 2022/2023, the total attendance for the Premier League was 15,289,751, Note that’s just the premier league . If assaults and stabbing at football matches per year were proportional to Notting Hill carnival the government would have to ban them . I never said that they were proportional and as I pointed out football matches in enclosed stadiums are much easier to police and this has come about through reforms after decades of football hooliganism which ultimately led to English football teams being banned from European competition after the deaths of 39 people at Heysel. Football does still involve disruption and criminality on a weekly basis. What level of criminality would you be comfortable enough with to allow the Notting Hill festival to ahead every year? Please point out where I claimed that you said they were proportional. Are you saying that Notting Hill carnival should be held in a stadium ? Dont forget it was you that made the comparison. If I was only comfortable with the level of criminality proportional to the total number of yearly football fans , the carnival could never be held . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 27, 2024 14:17:59 GMT
I never said that they were proportional and as I pointed out football matches in enclosed stadiums are much easier to police and this has come about through reforms after decades of football hooliganism which ultimately led to English football teams being banned from European competition after the deaths of 39 people at Heysel. Football does still involve disruption and criminality on a weekly basis. What level of criminality would you be comfortable enough with to allow the Notting Hill festival to ahead every year? Please point out where I claimed that you said they were proportional. Are you saying that Notting Hill carnival should be held in a stadium ? Dont forget it was you that made the comparison. If I was only comfortable with the level of criminality proportional to the total number of yearly football fans , the carnival could never be held . You said: "If assaults and stabbing at football matches per year were proportional to Notting Hill carnival the government would have to ban them" I responded to that comment. It wouldn't work in a stadium, like I said you could maybe put up fences and have ticketing like Glastonbury but I'm not sure how practical that would be with so many homes and businesses in the area and again that would cost and deter people spending money, which is what I believe makes the carnival untouchable. I'm not defending it but most things boil down to money in my experience. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 27, 2024 14:32:51 GMT
Please point out where I claimed that you said they were proportional. Are you saying that Notting Hill carnival should be held in a stadium ? Dont forget it was you that made the comparison. If I was only comfortable with the level of criminality proportional to the total number of yearly football fans , the carnival could never be held . You said: "If assaults and stabbing at football matches per year were proportional to Notting Hill carnival the government would have to ban them" I responded to that comment. It wouldn't work in a stadium, like I said you could maybe put up fences and have ticketing like Glastonbury but I'm not sure how practical that would be with so many homes and businesses in the area and again that would cost and deter people spending money, which is what I believe makes the carnival untouchable. I'm not defending it but most things boil down to money in my experience. Yes, you responded by saying that you never said that they were proportional. I responded by asking where I claimed you did . The carnival is untouchable because the people who go to it would be touchy enough to torch a few shops if the authorities did. Im sure cancelling the Caribbean culture Notting Hill carnival would potentially be more dangerous than cancelling the ‘ mostly white’ Glastonbury festival. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 27, 2024 14:36:22 GMT
You said: "If assaults and stabbing at football matches per year were proportional to Notting Hill carnival the government would have to ban them" I responded to that comment. It wouldn't work in a stadium, like I said you could maybe put up fences and have ticketing like Glastonbury but I'm not sure how practical that would be with so many homes and businesses in the area and again that would cost and deter people spending money, which is what I believe makes the carnival untouchable. I'm not defending it but most things boil down to money in my experience. "Yes, you responded by saying that you never said that they were proportional. I responded by asking where I claimed you did" Where did I say you made such a claim? Nobody has talked about banning Glastonbury or Reading and Leeds despite associated criminality for the same reason nobody has talked about banning Notting Hill: money. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 27, 2024 14:51:59 GMT
"Yes, you responded by saying that you never said that they were proportional. I responded by asking where I claimed you did" Where did I say you made such a claim? Nobody has talked about banning Glastonbury or Reading and Leeds despite associated criminality for the same reason nobody has talked about banning Notting Hill: money. Well you must have a reason to deny something that I didn’t say you did in the first place . That’s why I asked you to find it. Maybe just an out of context remark to divert the point ? Nope . There is just not the numbers of violent crimes in Glastonbury that occurs in Notting Hill. |
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 27, 2024 14:55:39 GMT
A really pathetic argument , are you forever going to give excuses to these heathens for their uncivilised behaviour on the basis of 300 year old history ? We have moved on since then in many ways if they can't join us they should feck off back to the third world . No, I'm making a point about JoG and his snide comment about culture. As far as I'm aware the vast, vast majority of people in Britain of Carribbean descent don't commit acts of plunder and murder. So I wouldn't call it their culture. Of course the vast majority of people don't commit crime wherever they are from . The point remains blacks are over represented in violent crime and when they have a get together like the carnival there will be far more crime than say at the proms , the Isle of white festival or Monsters of Rock which are mainly attended by the white population . Until they accept they have a problem with violent crime it will never end ,the black gang culture is a big part of that so yes Jog has a point |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 27, 2024 15:00:16 GMT
No, I'm making a point about JoG and his snide comment about culture. As far as I'm aware the vast, vast majority of people in Britain of Carribbean descent don't commit acts of plunder and murder. So I wouldn't call it their culture. Of course the vast majority of people don't commit crime wherever they are from . The point remains blacks are over represented in violent crime and when they have a get together like the carnival there will be far more crime than say at the proms , the Isle of white festival or Monsters of Rock which are mainly attended by the white population . Until they accept they have a problem with violent crime it will never end ,the black gang culture is a big part of that so yes Jog has a point Men are also over represented in violent crime so by your logic it must be part of male culture. So do men need to accept they have a problem with violent crime and knock all this "not all men" nonsense on the head? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 27, 2024 15:06:54 GMT
Toxic masculinity is highlighted repeatedly across all media .
Toxic ethnic culture is taboo.
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